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Old 25-07-2007, 12:29 PM
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Fair play for taking the like a man!



The stupid thing about this thread is the following is true:

A) Everyone in it WANTS the car to run

B) Everyone in it knows why it cant



Its just a few folk are refusing to accept the truth and are posting like they dont know why its banned when really they do


If I showed a picture of that front end to Coldo et all a week ago and said "is this a tubular front end, or does it constitute a tubular chassis extension" I would have got a calm "well yes of course" but now they are trying to argue black is white just cause its their mate!
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Thanks chip,

well then the question has to be asked which OEM might that comply with to be eligable, if and it is an if, they would accept the motorsport version of the OEM car ie the wrc focus, then maybe it would be eligable lol......but I doubt it.... dont forget the darrian and the new mcrae R4 are (and will be) classed as production cars....

To me it is a small technicality, although i'm not ofay with the time attack rules, i would argue, as did the like of Andrew Burton, that a car like this would be more an incentive rather than a hinderance to the promotion of motorsport......
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Originally Posted by Mr Whippy
Its not rocket science is it??
Suppose that depends on whether you're running a jet engine or not, lol
Old 25-07-2007, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil79
Originally Posted by Mr Whippy
Its not rocket science is it??
Suppose that depends on whether you're running a jet engine or not, lol
erm... that wouldn't be rocket science either
Old 25-07-2007, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Garage19
Originally Posted by Phil79
Originally Posted by Mr Whippy
Its not rocket science is it??
Suppose that depends on whether you're running a jet engine or not, lol
erm... that wouldn't be rocket science either
Indeed, a jet engine has an external oxygen supply, a rocket doesnt!
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Originally Posted by ian sibbert
Not one to disagree, but the focus aint a space framed car or a siloette type race car at all.....it looks to me more like a modified floor pan with extended tubular pick ups....it still retains the main road car structure (roof, pillars etc), the front end has been constructed in tube to merely hang the suspension and bodywork off.....all wrc car constuction is exactly the same, in fact the focus andrew has built is similar (modification wise) to an esc WRC (suspension pick-up points, track, body work widened). Merely the fact that the front is chopped back to help with re-location of the engine is irrelevant. If no chassis mods are eligable then that should be the case for all, but if they are at the interpretation of the race series organisers, it does sound like a fit up......

The series organisers should perhaps offer a handicap scheme based on weight/power....ask yourselves, would they let a WRC escort race, yes they probs would, should they let the focus race, yes they should....

The MSA would allow the car to run, even after the rule changes to K37 of the blue book, as M-Sport made great pains to adopt all variations of the focus, perhaps the time attack team need to embrace some of the MSA findings....

Personally i'd envisage the car being heavier, constructed as it is rather than if they'd have used pressed panels..

I couldn't have wrote it better myself! 100% agree with what Ian has wrote and I personally comented the on rollcage rulling as mentioned earlier by andrew with regards specing it at 45mmx2.5mm, this means there very few MSA competition cars even with pressed steel inner wings that would comply.
Old 25-07-2007, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil79
Originally Posted by Mr Whippy
Its not rocket science is it??
Suppose that depends on whether you're running a jet engine or not, lol
and I thought only Carlo and Dojj were capable of making themselves look sooo stoooopid
Old 25-07-2007, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Danny B
Originally Posted by ian sibbert
Not one to disagree, but the focus aint a space framed car or a siloette type race car at all.....it looks to me more like a modified floor pan with extended tubular pick ups....it still retains the main road car structure (roof, pillars etc), the front end has been constructed in tube to merely hang the suspension and bodywork off.....all wrc car constuction is exactly the same, in fact the focus andrew has built is similar (modification wise) to an esc WRC (suspension pick-up points, track, body work widened). Merely the fact that the front is chopped back to help with re-location of the engine is irrelevant. If no chassis mods are eligable then that should be the case for all, but if they are at the interpretation of the race series organisers, it does sound like a fit up......

The series organisers should perhaps offer a handicap scheme based on weight/power....ask yourselves, would they let a WRC escort race, yes they probs would, should they let the focus race, yes they should....

The MSA would allow the car to run, even after the rule changes to K37 of the blue book, as M-Sport made great pains to adopt all variations of the focus, perhaps the time attack team need to embrace some of the MSA findings....

Personally i'd envisage the car being heavier, constructed as it is rather than if they'd have used pressed panels..

I couldn't have wrote it better myself! 100% agree with what Ian has wrote and I personally comented the on rollcage rulling as mentioned earlier by andrew with regards specing it at 45mmx2.5mm, this means there very few MSA competition cars even with pressed steel inner wings that would comply.
And sensible, intelligent people like yourselves would have got the car entered I suspect....

Its obvious what kind of cars the rules were trying to stop and this car is 'not really' one one them... All the top runners are easily contactable as well and I am sure if they had a look at the car the majority of them would say let it run and the organisers would listen

However grizzling like girls, stamping feet, making yourselves look stupid by going on about space framed Elises and Nissans, making up conspriaracy theories and generally acting like asses is not the way to get the car in!
Old 25-07-2007, 12:50 PM
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ok its not getting in & thats the end of it now every body stop calling each other mongs,cunts,pricks, thick cunts, cocks etc etc
Old 25-07-2007, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Porkie
Originally Posted by Danny B
Originally Posted by ian sibbert
Not one to disagree, but the focus aint a space framed car or a siloette type race car at all.....it looks to me more like a modified floor pan with extended tubular pick ups....it still retains the main road car structure (roof, pillars etc), the front end has been constructed in tube to merely hang the suspension and bodywork off.....all wrc car constuction is exactly the same, in fact the focus andrew has built is similar (modification wise) to an esc WRC (suspension pick-up points, track, body work widened). Merely the fact that the front is chopped back to help with re-location of the engine is irrelevant. If no chassis mods are eligable then that should be the case for all, but if they are at the interpretation of the race series organisers, it does sound like a fit up......

The series organisers should perhaps offer a handicap scheme based on weight/power....ask yourselves, would they let a WRC escort race, yes they probs would, should they let the focus race, yes they should....

The MSA would allow the car to run, even after the rule changes to K37 of the blue book, as M-Sport made great pains to adopt all variations of the focus, perhaps the time attack team need to embrace some of the MSA findings....

Personally i'd envisage the car being heavier, constructed as it is rather than if they'd have used pressed panels..

I couldn't have wrote it better myself! 100% agree with what Ian has wrote and I personally comented the on rollcage rulling as mentioned earlier by andrew with regards specing it at 45mmx2.5mm, this means there very few MSA competition cars even with pressed steel inner wings that would comply.
And sensible, intelligent people like yourselves would have got the car entered I suspect....

Its obvious what kind of cars the rules were trying to stop and this car is 'not really' one one them... All the top runners are easily contactable as well and I am sure if they had a look at the car the majority of them would say let it run and the organisers would listen

However grizzling like girls, stamping feet, making yourselves look stupid by going on about space framed Elises and Nissans, making up conspriaracy theories and generally acting like asses is not the way to get the car in!
However grizzling like girls, stamping feet, making yourselves look stupid by going on about space framed Elises and Nissans, making up conspriaracy theories and generally acting like asses is not the way to get the car in!
Agree! [/quote]
Old 25-07-2007, 01:03 PM
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So does everyone now accept that the car cant run

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Old 25-07-2007, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Nick.
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by Nick.
As for being scared of the car, why would the organisers really care if its Andy or norris or lloydy or whoever who wins, any interesting car that draws a crowd (which the focus undoubtably is, its an awesome bit of kit by ANY standards!) is good for their bank balance!


Well in that case why not let it enter then if they don't really care, as it would draw a lot more people from the ford scene knowing a ford is going to win
Because they want the event to be viewed as serious.

They dont care who wins, providing its a legal car!


Fuck me you cunts really cant be as thick as you all sound surely?


And as for Porkie, yes he is a million miles up martin's arse, its his best mate FFS, BUT I can absolutely fucking guarentee you that if Martin's car was trying to enter a competition that it didnt meet the rules for then Porkie would NOT be saying "let it run anyway" he would be telling martin to alter it so it could run or calling him a dumb cunt for not reading the rules.
Porkie is a man of intergrity who gives his honest opinion wether it suits his mates or not, which is why people tend to actually take some notice of him I guess!
Whoopse must learn to read or I might be called a mong again by some prick from the midlands..

Yup....dont act the hard man just because you couldnt understand a simple sentence, what do you expect, a round of applause for the most stupid comment on the thread so far when every pisstaker in town is reading it

MONG
Old 25-07-2007, 01:43 PM
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Not didn't understand.. didn't read it correctly..
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So does anyone else agree that andys car is obviously skirting around the rules and not TOTALLY breaking them? Therefore his car should be inspected by the scrutineers on saturday to see if he should race?

Porkie please stop slagging the scots. Someone of your supposed intelligence shouldnt have to resort to name calling.
Old 25-07-2007, 02:37 PM
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Was this not the same reasons that the AM sport Fiesta was no longer allowed to run in the Ford Saloons?

Its a shame Andy's car wont be able to run as I was looking forward to seeing it, but I also agree that it does not comply with the regulations of the event
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Originally Posted by Homer.
Was this not the same reasons that the AM sport Fiesta was no longer allowed to run in the Ford Saloons?

Its a shame Andy's car wont be able to run as I was looking forward to seeing it, but I also agree that it does not comply with the regulations of the event
No mate the AM fiesta and AG focus (mk 1) were not allowed because the engine was in a different layout to the original cars. Ie. Longitude mounted instead of the original transverse.
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Originally Posted by Ollie6RS2
Porkie please stop slagging the scots. Someone of your supposed intelligence shouldnt have to resort to name calling.
I dont think he resorted to name calling mate, more like retaliating for...

Originally Posted by carlo
Porkie what a fuking prick
Originally Posted by Ollie6RS2
Originally Posted by Homer.
Was this not the same reasons that the AM sport Fiesta was no longer allowed to run in the Ford Saloons?

Its a shame Andy's car wont be able to run as I was looking forward to seeing it, but I also agree that it does not comply with the regulations of the event
No mate the AM fiesta and AG focus (mk 1) were not allowed because the engine was in a different layout to the original cars. Ie. Longitude mounted instead of the original transverse.
But it was against the rules, same as this was.

Or did you guys expect him to run in that too, just for fun.
Old 25-07-2007, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Porkie
Originally Posted by Ginge !
hey i thought it was better than " let him race as hes my mate" argument
now thats funny!!!

Totally agree with Chip said as well...

have to say Carlo... I think you have made yourself look like a right cock in this thread.. with all the faces and all the Andy Gallagher conspiracies....

by the way... that a Lotus Chassis as well. You CLEARLY haven't seen one before



I would LOVE him to take it down to TOTB and win the handling in it though. It an awesome looking car
& i was retaliating for being called a cock starvos!
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Originally Posted by Stavros
Originally Posted by Ollie6RS2
Porkie please stop slagging the scots. Someone of your supposed intelligence shouldnt have to resort to name calling.
I dont think he resorted to name calling mate, more like retaliating for...

Originally Posted by carlo
Porkie what a fuking prick
Originally Posted by Ollie6RS2
Originally Posted by Homer.
Was this not the same reasons that the AM sport Fiesta was no longer allowed to run in the Ford Saloons?

Its a shame Andy's car wont be able to run as I was looking forward to seeing it, but I also agree that it does not comply with the regulations of the event
No mate the AM fiesta and AG focus (mk 1) were not allowed because the engine was in a different layout to the original cars. Ie. Longitude mounted instead of the original transverse.
But it was against the rules, same as this was.

Or did you guys expect him to run in that too, just for fun.

Any intelligent replies welcomed... They agreed with those rules and re shelled both cars into escorts.
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Originally Posted by Ollie6RS2
Porkie please stop slagging the scots.
Euan and Lambchop take the abuse quite well. Maybe you should seek their help in being a bit more relaxed.
Old 25-07-2007, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Ollie6RS2
They agreed with those rules and re shelled both cars into escorts.
And if he wants to have owt to do with time attack or any other race series, he will have to comply with their rules too, its quite simple, and insane this is still going on.

Wheres that space framed 200SX that was mentioned anyhow, i wanna see
Old 25-07-2007, 03:10 PM
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i think its great that everyone is still winge'n about this
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Originally Posted by andrewfgallacher
i think its great that everyone is still winge'n about this
im all for you getting in but who started all this whingin
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Originally Posted by Stavros
Originally Posted by Ollie6RS2
They agreed with those rules and re shelled both cars into escorts.
And if he wants to have owt to do with time attack or any other race series, he will have to comply with their rules too, its quite simple, and insane this is still going on.

Wheres that space framed 200SX that was mentioned anyhow, i wanna see
The space framed 200sx was poor information from someone else.
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Originally Posted by Stavros
Martin Hadlands cars a good example, his only rule breaker is no seperate firewall between fuel system and driver, but he dont complain or expect to run for no points, as its against the rules.
I will be fixing my rule breaking problem just as soon as I get chance... Then I'm in !
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Originally Posted by Ollie6RS2
Originally Posted by Stavros
Originally Posted by Ollie6RS2
They agreed with those rules and re shelled both cars into escorts.
And if he wants to have owt to do with time attack or any other race series, he will have to comply with their rules too, its quite simple, and insane this is still going on.

Wheres that space framed 200SX that was mentioned anyhow, i wanna see
The space framed 200sx was poor information from someone else.
Not me might i add
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totally off topic but what time do the gates open at on Saturday? Just checked www.timeattack.co.uk there and it says spectator gates open at 4 so can you not watch warm up and practice like last year?
Old 25-07-2007, 04:34 PM
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Hi guys,

Just to bring you up to speed from our side.

None of the Time Attack Pro (or Club for that matter) competitors have put in or lodged a complaint about Andrews car, we received his application last week by phone and he took the place of Phil Gooriah who could not run, Andrew entered as per our entry rules when a competitor cannot compete for whatever reason and paidthe entry fee directly to Phil. We did at the time ask Andrew if his car met the Time Attack rules and regulations and that if he has not read them to read them and let us know, he said his car did and we accepted his entry on this basis.

When we looked on his website out of curiosity (and to get some pics) we had a bit of a shock as to the level of build that has gone into it (absloutely awesome by the way) and immediately phoned Andrew up to talk it through.

Our thoughts now are now to invite Andrew along to Knockhill to discuss the issues with our technical guy and his technical guy. We are certainly not looking to kick anyone out once accepting an entry and perhaps we were at fault for not in the first instance asking for technical pics, Andrew did enter Time Attack at Knockhill last year and is known to us because of this so we did not think we would come across this problem. Also we would like to state that we do not feel Andrew has gone out of his way to swerve or abuse the rules but perhaps did not understand them clearly at the time.

We understand that we may have the odd grey area within our regs but this is to ensure it is not bogged down under masses of paperwork and red tape that afflicts other championships and series's. Also cost is an issue and this is an area where we try to control it as much as possible whilst again not bogging it down, its a hard balance and one that we work hard on especially to ensure the Pro cars are as streetable as possible, not legal but streetable if that makes sense. Our tech regs are to be tweaked for 2008 as this is a growing Series in its second year and will also be taking into account a broader range of compliant vehicles and classes whilst working hard to keep it as simple as possible.

To finish I can assure you we are working to find a solution to this problem behind the scenes as we too want to see Andrew run, whether he will be in a position to take Series points or even run we cannot say at this time and as mentioned we will work hard to see Andrew compete one way or another as its plain to see he is a spassionate to enter as we are to run the Series.

What we cannot have though is situation where it gets out of hand with all manner of thoughts, ideas and conspiracy theories being banded around, this is why we have taken the time out to respectfully come on here and chat with you guys.

At this time we cannot comment on any other areas or issued raised.

You will be able to get in from around 2pm it says on the tickets but if you cannot get in earlier you will have only missed untimed warm up.

Regards,
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Excellent reply, thanks for taking the time.
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Originally Posted by carlo
Originally Posted by Ollie6RS2
Originally Posted by Stavros
Originally Posted by Ollie6RS2
They agreed with those rules and re shelled both cars into escorts.
And if he wants to have owt to do with time attack or any other race series, he will have to comply with their rules too, its quite simple, and insane this is still going on.

Wheres that space framed 200SX that was mentioned anyhow, i wanna see
The space framed 200sx was poor information from someone else.
Not me might i add
No Carlo. But you did spout this COMPLETE load of Bollox about cars and conspiracy theories
Originally Posted by carlo
He is proper pissed off just a case of some moaning tosser that knows he is going to get spanked & starts crying to officials! he is still going up to knockhill..There is plenty of cars that arent banned radicals ect lotus arent banned & they all have spaceframe! ususal pish he will be getting banned from ford fair next as well
Which is why I said you sounded like a cock... I stand by that.

Please tell me WHERE exactly I have acted like a 'Fucking Prick'

Anyway. It all seems like it has a happy ending. As I knew it would really as I know Glen well and the other guys involved and they are proper petrol heads and proper blokes... Seems like you guys just went off on one

The end.

Look forward to seeing some pics of event
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I can see exactly why Andrews car is not permitted.

One issue i would have with Simons car is that despite it having the standard suspension pickup points, none of them are in the standard positions. The front and rear wishbone mounts are closer together now...

Also i note on the first page Stavros said they did not allow space frames to keep costs down, exactly how much did Simon spend cutting his car in 2 and lowering the roof? Hardly pocket money was it!
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someone asked how much a wrc focus shell is,well its 50k
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Read the rules, build a car to suit them.

First fucking principle of racing is to make sure you are allowed to race.
Along the same lines as what Donny Astricky said

Time to acknowledge it and move on. I
can't swim. I know I can't. So you
know what I do? I stay the fuck outta
the pool ...
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NOT AGAIN ANDY ,
Old 25-07-2007, 06:14 PM
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Well done time attack Thanks for taking the time to reply and consider the situation further. Lets hope the weather hold out now!
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Originally Posted by Jamz
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Now change your username, it breaks the traders rules


5 pages of bollox cheers that wasted my time
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Originally Posted by Jamz
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Now change your username, it breaks the traders rules
only for some on here it would seem.
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Originally Posted by Time Attack
Hi guys,

Just to bring you up to speed from our side.

None of the Time Attack Pro (or Club for that matter) competitors have put in or lodged a complaint about Andrews car, we received his application last week by phone and he took the place of Phil Gooriah who could not run, Andrew entered as per our entry rules when a competitor cannot compete for whatever reason and paidthe entry fee directly to Phil. We did at the time ask Andrew if his car met the Time Attack rules and regulations and that if he has not read them to read them and let us know, he said his car did and we accepted his entry on this basis.

When we looked on his website out of curiosity (and to get some pics) we had a bit of a shock as to the level of build that has gone into it (absloutely awesome by the way) and immediately phoned Andrew up to talk it through.

Our thoughts now are now to invite Andrew along to Knockhill to discuss the issues with our technical guy and his technical guy. We are certainly not looking to kick anyone out once accepting an entry and perhaps we were at fault for not in the first instance asking for technical pics, Andrew did enter Time Attack at Knockhill last year and is known to us because of this so we did not think we would come across this problem. Also we would like to state that we do not feel Andrew has gone out of his way to swerve or abuse the rules but perhaps did not understand them clearly at the time.

We understand that we may have the odd grey area within our regs but this is to ensure it is not bogged down under masses of paperwork and red tape that afflicts other championships and series's. Also cost is an issue and this is an area where we try to control it as much as possible whilst again not bogging it down, its a hard balance and one that we work hard on especially to ensure the Pro cars are as streetable as possible, not legal but streetable if that makes sense. Our tech regs are to be tweaked for 2008 as this is a growing Series in its second year and will also be taking into account a broader range of compliant vehicles and classes whilst working hard to keep it as simple as possible.

To finish I can assure you we are working to find a solution to this problem behind the scenes as we too want to see Andrew run, whether he will be in a position to take Series points or even run we cannot say at this time and as mentioned we will work hard to see Andrew compete one way or another as its plain to see he is a spassionate to enter as we are to run the Series.

What we cannot have though is situation where it gets out of hand with all manner of thoughts, ideas and conspiracy theories being banded around, this is why we have taken the time out to respectfully come on here and chat with you guys.

At this time we cannot comment on any other areas or issued raised.

You will be able to get in from around 2pm it says on the tickets but if you cannot get in earlier you will have only missed untimed warm up.

Regards,
That was really good off you to explain although you didnt need too i have the upmost respect for your truth /honesty and one thinks you want to see andrews machinery in there as well like the rest of us


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