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Old Dec 9, 2006 | 11:19 PM
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Has anyone ever welded an oil return pipe into the sump of an CVH?

I'm planning to equip my modded XR3i Efi with a Turbo running very low boost pressure (4 or 5 PSI) and I don't want to remove the block.
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Old Dec 10, 2006 | 10:48 AM
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you just drill & tap into block near oil filter as i remember!
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Make sure it's as high as possible on the sump - so well above oil level. The pipe return pipe should be as bend free as possible, so it drains away easily.
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tap the front of the block where u'd find it on rst
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tap the front of the block where u'd find it on rst
That's what I'd like to avoid. Don't want to remove the engine.

My plan is to just put a oil lubricated/cooled turbo from a S1 on and run some very low boost. Maybe even without an intercooler, as simple as possible. And therefore the sump would be the easiest option.
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spend time doin the properly now and less repairing i later
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Originally Posted by marky_g
spend time doin the properly now and less repairing i later
yep
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thats wot ive done at the mo 6psi and its going ok lol
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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 03:12 AM
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i may hav a pic of how i done it on my sump let me check
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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 03:16 AM
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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 03:18 AM
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i just grinded out the nipple from a old rocker cover i had lying around and welded it in from both sides
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Turbo Technics used the same method for their oil return on the XR3i Turbo conversion

Heres some pics of my TT sump



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can be done

i braised a 1/2" hydaulic fitting into the sump - keep it as high as possible
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Yeah, that's exactly what I'd like to do. Now I know that it's possible. Cheers for all the pictures, guys!
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Originally Posted by GraphiteGray
Turbo Technics used the same method for their oil return on the XR3i Turbo conversion

Heres some pics of my TT sump



is that low comp pistons fitted from a rst lump or ?
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 05:23 AM
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Looks like std. CVH pistons. Non-turbo
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Yep standard 16i bottom end, now replaced by newly rebuilt all singing all dancing S2 bottom end
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Did Turbo Technics lower the compression ratio at all? 16i had something round 10:1 if I remember correctly, quite high actually.
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They used the standard compression, the only mods they did was bolt a turbo on and fit a special advance/retard distributor, 5psi max
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Originally Posted by PeterRST

I'm planning to equip my modded XR3i Efi with a Turbo running very low boost pressure (4 or 5 PSI) and I don't want to remove the block.
This is exactly what I want to do to my EFi Mk3 Escort. The mechanics seem quite simple but I don't know what to do about the management side of it.

Would FRST management work in a low-boost system with the actuator adjusted accordingly? Or would you have to go for an after market ECU?
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Would FRST management work in a low-boost system with the actuator adjusted accordingly? Or would you have to go for an after market ECU?
I guess FRST management would work. However I'd like to know if you can run low boost even with the normal EFI management which is actually designed for N/A engines.
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Originally Posted by GraphiteGray
They used the standard compression, the only mods they did was bolt a turbo on and fit a special advance/retard distributor, 5psi max
Thanks for the information! Tis making me more and more confident that it'll work in the end.

EDIT: One more thing. Does anyone know some hp figures for such a TT converted 1600i?
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Originally Posted by SaqsS2turbo
Is it just me, or is that actually pointing downwards slightly
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Originally Posted by MarkN
Originally Posted by PeterRST

I'm planning to equip my modded XR3i Efi with a Turbo running very low boost pressure (4 or 5 PSI) and I don't want to remove the block.
This is exactly what I want to do to my EFi Mk3 Escort. The mechanics seem quite simple but I don't know what to do about the management side of it.

Would FRST management work in a low-boost system with the actuator adjusted accordingly? Or would you have to go for an after market ECU?
I thought i already answered that question on your thread....?

https://passionford.com/forum/viewto...light=#3448314
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was slightley tilted but i got a ful rst engine and running gear to go in so all gud
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Just one more question: Will the N/A EFI management be able to handle a low boost pressure of lets say 5 psi? Or will I need a FRST loom?
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Originally Posted by SaqsS2turbo
was slightley tilted but i got a ful rst engine and running gear to go in so all gud
Thats very very bad mate

May not seem it, but it is
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Originally Posted by PeterRST
Just one more question: Will the N/A EFI management be able to handle a low boost pressure of lets say 5 psi? Or will I need a FRST loom?
Not so much the wiring, but you need to change management. you could plug an OFAC ECU and MAP sensor straight in, or OFAB with a couple of very minor and easy to do wiring changes.
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dnt wrry that engines not gnna be turbo'd again
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Originally Posted by SafeChav
Originally Posted by PeterRST
Just one more question: Will the N/A EFI management be able to handle a low boost pressure of lets say 5 psi? Or will I need a FRST loom?
Not so much the wiring, but you need to change management. you could plug an OFAC ECU and MAP sensor straight in, or OFAB with a couple of very minor and easy to do wiring changes.
Yeah I know. But do you think that the std N/A EFI won't work for low boost?
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No.

Well, yes, but expect it to run like poo, and make sure you have a good level of RAC/AA cover...................
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try 14psi for a 5 mins run round the block to dodgy but was fun LOOOL luckeley i didnt blow a piston
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Originally Posted by SafeChav
No.

Well, yes, but expect it to run like poo, and make sure you have a good level of RAC/AA cover...................
I've got my own towing truck, so that's not a problem!

OK, looking for an ECU, MAP-Sensor and Charge temperature sensor off an FRST now.
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No.

Well, yes, but expect it to run like poo, and make sure you have a good level of RAC/AA cover...................
I've got my own towing truck, so that's not a problem!

OK, looking for an ECU, MAP-Sensor and Charge temperature sensor off an FRST now.
Thats better

The ECU & MAP will be easy, the ACT is available from ford. Your guna be a bit stuck when you come to find a reducer for the ACT though
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I'm planning to equip my modded XR3i Efi with a Turbo running very low boost pressure (4 or 5 PSI) and I don't want to remove the block.
This is exactly what I want to do to my EFi Mk3 Escort. The mechanics seem quite simple but I don't know what to do about the management side of it.

Would FRST management work in a low-boost system with the actuator adjusted accordingly? Or would you have to go for an after market ECU?
I thought i already answered that question on your thread....?

https://passionford.com/forum/viewto...light=#3448314
Yep you did. But if you check the dates I asked the question here before starting my own thread...

Thanks for all your help BTW
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Smart arse
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