Can't see the pics as photo bucket is banned at the mo but i can guess what they are.

Cheers.

Will have a look later.

 

Cool, you will need to look at them in a new broswer window as PF resizes them to small to read!

 

Garage19 let us know what you think of it when you have a go if you can concentrate on the mapping with that acceleration

 

Just to make life easier.

 

i do like that software

 

Doug are you still up for having a go at mapping mine?
Chip, how are you getting on with yours?

Any other rp users come on here?

 

Just got wait for a dry day and we'll see how she goes!

 

Ive got on fine with mine, got a fairly useable map on it now, but need to get a decent amount of time on a dry day to really finish off the high load site stuff, its the most economical its every been though and ive not even plugged the lamda sensor in yet.
Cruises around at 14.7-15.2:1 on pretty much every low load site.

And ive got a map that me and cally were pissing about with the other night that shoots masses flames by putting in a bar of boost's worth of fuel on the over run


Really good product though IMHO, the only mapping software ive used that i like as much as the RP labs stuff is the SM4 software, its miles better than emerald or dta or mbe IMHO

 

Software does "look" pretty good.

I am sure it is BUT ...

If only the software was available FREE to download like other ecu
manufacturers do so you can see for yourself.

Even a demo version would help.

Cant see any reason why it isnt made available to all as you cant use it
for anything else except the ecu in question but would help potential
customers see what they will be spending their Ł1000+ on before they
take the plunge.

Come on Mike .... SORT IT

 

agree, except the Ł1000+

perhaps certain features of it, like the dashboard, may get copied by others

 

Anyone capable of decompiling the software is probably more than capable of cracking the security on it too, and even then its of no real use to anyone else (trust me on that ive written control software for a living) the only really useful bit to anyone else, is to see the user interface, and the screen shots show you that anyway, thats all you would need to copy it.

I agree with SECS that it would be good if it was free to download, thats often the reason people choose a particular ECU, is cause they like the software, and in this instance they wont be able to try it to know!

 

foreigneRS,


If I got the price wrong I will ammend it if given the correct one but I
seem to remember that if you include every cost...
L8 ecu cost, ecu modification, coil pack option, VAT, delivery etc...)
the total cost is about that what I have said.



chip-3door

As for cracking security, IF I wanted to do a hack on this I would
buy a kit as you would need both ends to do a proper job.
For the record I have NO need/want to do that as I am quite capable
of designing my own stuff.

But having said that I did say on my original post about having a demo
version as this could be provided with any "secrets" removed.

 

SECS, i know full well you arent after the code to pull apart as the communication protocol would be totally different to anything useful to you anyway mate i wasnt hinting otherwise.

 

I was going to say the same, where do you get your price from ?

https://passionford.com/forum/viewto...215704&start=0

 

Mike Rainbird,
Please re-read all my posts on here then reply again

 

ECU mod for mapper, PC Software, communication lead (pro package) is Ł640 + VAT + delivery of ECU to Germany. This price would be subject to customer providing a working std L8 ECU with a standard board fitted.

Whats a working L8 ECU with standard board worth? 250?
Even if you already have the ECU you still have to factor in the value you could be selling it for if you got another ECU instead of modifying your old one.


So over a 1000 quid realistically, so i dont think Simon was wrong on the price like you seemed to be implying?

 

Most people will have the L8s to start with - same as with Stu's software / hardware conversions and that is whom this particular item is aimed at .

 

Doesnt remove the fact they would be selling that if they went for a different conversion though of course so i think its still a factor.

If i told you that you could have porkies car for 20K you would probably jump at the chance, but if told you that as part of the deal i would be needing your existing escos off you, it would represent a different price.

 

Mike, be careful or Dougs "3000 pound tallblock conversion" pictures featuring emmot brown are going to start appearing for the RP labs instead

 

I personally can't see your logic, as it is CLEARLY a software package for L8. If you don't already have a L8, then you are obviously going to weigh up all the other alternative options and chose what you think is economically viable. Same choice you get if you were going for one of Stu's lamda control options - you need to have L8 as a minimum and his prices don't state anything differently for numpties like you trying to pick holes, yet I don't see you pointing out that his pricing structure needs to reflect this .

 

I do so quite often.

When Richie on here for example (b9kos) said he was going to go for coilpack and lambda, i pointed out to him that he could just sell his ECU and buy an SECS one instead for less money that does that anyway, PM him and ask if you dont believe me!

He decided against it as he likes the L8 and also because he knew it was Stu'd preferred option and he wasnt interested in anyone other than Stu mapping it.

I suspect many people buying the RP labs will make decisions for similar reasons, you are WRONG about it being "a software package" cause a software package wouldnt involve sending your ECU off to germany for hardware modifications, it INCLUDES a software package but its more than that.

And a very nice setup it is too, im loving mine

 

It only gets sent to Nikola, so he can do the necessary mods that he likes to do to protect himself. If he wasn't so paranoid (and rightly so IMO ), then it would not need this doing. Open up your ECU and you will see what I mean .

 

I have opened up my ECU mike, and you are referring clearly to just the gunk splattered all over the chips to stop people tampering with them, but obviously you havent also taken the bottom cover off and seen the phsyical modification to the main board, also do you think that the standard L8 has the ability to write out to chips just cause you stick re-writable ones on it or do you think that requires daughter board mods as well?

Come on mike, you have given yourself more in this thread than most people manage in a month havent you?

Do you know NOTHING about the product you are selling?

 

Gunk What do you mean Chip?

 

Rich, the chips are sealed in so that you cant tamper with them or even clearly see them, plus it will also protects from the elements (well most cossies are full of holes now so thats a potential issue, lol)

I will get some pics inside mine if mike doesnt mind?

 

Oh right, i get ya.

Mike wont mind, and even if he does, tough shit. Get the pics up pal

 

Nah, i will wait for Mike to get back off the phone to Harvey about my previous points and reply about if he is happy for me to or not

Nikola has been very helpful to me while i first started using his (awesome) product, and i wouldnt want to post anything that him/mike arent happy about as that wouldnt be much of a way of thanking him for being so good to me!

 

Furry muff mate. I suppose you think telling Mike he knows nothing about the product he is selling is a way of thanking him

 

Its Nikola who has helped me with my product not Mike, I got mine off ForeigneRS before Mike was selling them

Mike isnt the one who needs to know the details of what Nikola does so it doesnt matter that he doesnt know, but while he doesnt know, he shouldnt post about it IMHO!

 

PMSL @ CossieRich



Chip,
Once the product is sold out to the public, you cant stop someone "having a look".

 

SECS, i know mate.

Any serious competitor who wanted to look would do so.

Whenever trev at wizards of nos brings out ANY new product he knows he will sell at least half a dozen no matter what it is, cause all the other nitrous companies buy one Same with new cars etc

As soon as any significantly different new car comes out all the other manufacturers buy one and take it apart.

 

Is this only for Cossies?...If so what a dead duck...majority are bailing out..i think anybody trying to cash in on them are too late IMO.

Plus TBH i'd rather buy an S8 for 500.00 aslong as it was XP compatible with anti lag closed loop etc etc IF i was gonna do it again...as it was easy to use.

BUT i am purely L8....

 

Its not just for cossies mate no, Nikola does it for various other cars as well (intergrale for example)

Also potentially you can use it for other make cars as well.

In fact thats something i need to speak to Mike about with regards to getting some info from Nikola, apparently its possible to use the RP Labs L8 to generate a map to write out in L8 format i believe from their website.

I meant to disucss it with Nikola/Mike before, cause if thats the case it means i can fit a spare cossie loom ive got lieing about to the mrs calibra (for example) map it on the RP Labs, and then blow a chip for the standard L8 ive got here and then put the RP labs back in the 3door.
Which would mean the RP Labs stuff would be fantastically useful to people with more than one car on L8


Can you confirm or deny that functionality Mike?

 

..ah...so it may have some scope then.

 

I think you will find it can only be used on cars originally running the same
or similar hardware based ecu's as fitted to cars such as Fiat, Ferrari, Cossies etc..

The amount of time and effort to adapt it to other sensor types
(crank/coolant etc...) is a lot of work plus the ecu is limited by its
hardware in how many teeth can be on teh crank versus rpm which will
be the major problem in making any such adaption due to the processing
power it lacks.

 

Simon, if i do the calibra thing, i was intending to use cossie sensors.

You are right that retro fitting it is actually harder than doing so with a DTA or MBE etc, as like you say, its less configurable.

Its basically the same as putting cossie management on anything else really, like people do with RST's for example, they have to use the cossie sensors then anyway.

 

so what happens iff ur ecu needs repairing when its covered in shit ?

 

Chip,
I had to pop out, but am back now . The point I was making, is that if Nikola wasn't so paranoid, then all the mods could be done in this country and it would significantly reduce the costs (as in he could send all the boards / chips over for Harvey to install (as he does with the Pectel items etc). However, Nikola has chosen to do his utmost to protect everything in carrying out the mods himself and attempting to make it as tamper proof as possible .

Why are you always trying to make it look like I am trying to rip people off or pull the wool over people's eyes . Also, having thought about your earlier comments, it would be a bit like Simon offering a special S8 upgrade and then having to remind everybody that they would have to buy an S8 before they bought the upgrade package . I think the clue is in the title of the original post and people would know it would require an L8 in the first place - so NOTHING like YOUR example .

 

Once its covered in epoxy resin (which i take is what it is) if it breaks, its fucked.

So in modifying YOUR ecu they also make it non repairable. Strange but true!