FAO Garage 19 (rp labs mapping)
27-10-2006, 03:12 PM
#41
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Chip,
I had to pop out, but am back now
. The point I was making, is that if Nikola wasn't so paranoid, then all the mods could be done in this country and it would significantly reduce the costs (as in he could send all the boards / chips over for Harvey to install (as he does with the Pectel items etc). However, Nikola has chosen to do his utmost to protect everything in carrying out the mods himself and attempting to make it as tamper proof as possible .
Why are you always trying to make it look like I am trying to rip people off or pull the wool over people's eyes
. Also, having thought about your earlier comments, it would be a bit like Simon offering a special S8 upgrade and then having to remind everybody that they would have to buy an S8 before they bought the upgrade package 
. I think the clue is in the title of the original post and people would know it would require an L8 in the first place - so NOTHING like YOUR example 
.
I had to pop out, but am back now
. The point I was making, is that if Nikola wasn't so paranoid, then all the mods could be done in this country and it would significantly reduce the costs (as in he could send all the boards / chips over for Harvey to install (as he does with the Pectel items etc). However, Nikola has chosen to do his utmost to protect everything in carrying out the mods himself and attempting to make it as tamper proof as possible .Why are you always trying to make it look like I am trying to rip people off or pull the wool over people's eyes
. Also, having thought about your earlier comments, it would be a bit like Simon offering a special S8 upgrade and then having to remind everybody that they would have to buy an S8 before they bought the upgrade package . I think the clue is in the title of the original post and people would know it would require an L8 in the first place - so NOTHING like YOUR example .Mike, im not doing anything of the sort!
I VERY VERY REGUARLY recomend people go to you for products and ive bought several things through you myself (easily upwards of a grand) so ive utterly no intention of ever portaying you as anything other than a fantastic person to do business with, as thats my honest opinion of what you are.
You asked where Simon's price of a 1000 came from, so i showed you, as thats the effective real cost of the product.
If simon was selling an S8 related product that required you had the S8 ecu already then yes im sure anyone considering that product would also factor in the cost of the ECU if they were comparing it against another product that didnt require it.
Like for example if Simon brought out a "S8 ECU logging and display" peice of software to compete with Stu's offering then im sure people looking at it would think about the cost of the S8 too.
27-10-2006, 03:16 PM
#42
Originally Posted by jaycos
so what happens iff ur ecu needs repairing when its covered in shit ?
Cant remember the last time i heard of someone needing an L8 repaired though anyway of course!
The daughterboard only Nikola would know how to fix anyway, so its only his only life he is making more awkward at the time of repair.
27-10-2006, 03:16 PM
#43
Originally Posted by Garage19
Originally Posted by jaycos
so what happens iff ur ecu needs repairing when its covered in shit ?
So in modifying YOUR ecu they also make it non repairable. Strange but true!
. However, have yet to see this happen 
. But as Chip points out - it is only the part that is covered that would not be repairable....
27-10-2006, 03:20 PM
#44
Mike, imagine this entirely hypothetical scenario.
you own an S8 ecu, and you are after running individual injector trims based on EGT, and thats something simon has just brought out a product for
you can buy an ecu that already does it for a grand
your S8 is worth 400 quid secondhand
the upgrade is 600 quid
Whats the cost of simons upgrade versus the other ecu?
To me, they both cost the same.
Maybe im too much of a nerdy mathmatician or something, but thats just the way i would look at it, if replacing something with a new one cost me 1000 quid but i could sell the old one for 400, then its cost me 600 IMHO, and so thats what i would view the cost as when comparing it to the 600 to upgade my existing product.
you own an S8 ecu, and you are after running individual injector trims based on EGT, and thats something simon has just brought out a product for
you can buy an ecu that already does it for a grand
your S8 is worth 400 quid secondhand
the upgrade is 600 quid
Whats the cost of simons upgrade versus the other ecu?
To me, they both cost the same.
Maybe im too much of a nerdy mathmatician or something, but thats just the way i would look at it, if replacing something with a new one cost me 1000 quid but i could sell the old one for 400, then its cost me 600 IMHO, and so thats what i would view the cost as when comparing it to the 600 to upgade my existing product.
27-10-2006, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
Mike, im not doing anything of the sort!
I VERY VERY REGUARLY recomend people go to you for products and ive bought several things through you myself (easily upwards of a grand) so ive utterly no intention of ever portaying you as anything other than a fantastic person to do business with, as thats my honest opinion of what you are.
You asked where Simon's price of a 1000 came from, so i showed you, as thats the effective real cost of the product.
If simon was selling an S8 related product that required you had the S8 ecu already then yes im sure anyone considering that product would also factor in the cost of the ECU if they were comparing it against another product that didnt require it.
I VERY VERY REGUARLY recomend people go to you for products and ive bought several things through you myself (easily upwards of a grand) so ive utterly no intention of ever portaying you as anything other than a fantastic person to do business with, as thats my honest opinion of what you are.
You asked where Simon's price of a 1000 came from, so i showed you, as thats the effective real cost of the product.
If simon was selling an S8 related product that required you had the S8 ecu already then yes im sure anyone considering that product would also factor in the cost of the ECU if they were comparing it against another product that didnt require it.
Originally Posted by chip-3door
...Like for example if Simon brought out a "S8 ECU logging and display" peice of software to compete with Stu's offering then im sure people looking at it would think about the cost of the S8 too.
Not long now
27-10-2006, 03:24 PM
#47
PS
I genuinely believe that with regards to choice of ECU i must be about the most impartial person on this forum, i consider the following people to be friends of mine (and i believe they consider me a friend back!)
Stu (mr l8 + add ons)
SECS (mr S8)
Mike (mr rp labs)
I have the following commerical interests:
SECS = none at all
L8 + add ons = none at all
RP Labs = none at all
So there is utterly no way that any comment i ever made on any of those products versus any of the others wether it be about cost or technical ability is going to be based on anything other than my honest opinion!
I genuinely believe that with regards to choice of ECU i must be about the most impartial person on this forum, i consider the following people to be friends of mine (and i believe they consider me a friend back!)
Stu (mr l8 + add ons)
SECS (mr S8)
Mike (mr rp labs)
I have the following commerical interests:
SECS = none at all
L8 + add ons = none at all
RP Labs = none at all
So there is utterly no way that any comment i ever made on any of those products versus any of the others wether it be about cost or technical ability is going to be based on anything other than my honest opinion!
27-10-2006, 03:25 PM
#48
Originally Posted by SECS
Originally Posted by chip-3door
Mike, im not doing anything of the sort!
I VERY VERY REGUARLY recomend people go to you for products and ive bought several things through you myself (easily upwards of a grand) so ive utterly no intention of ever portaying you as anything other than a fantastic person to do business with, as thats my honest opinion of what you are.
You asked where Simon's price of a 1000 came from, so i showed you, as thats the effective real cost of the product.
If simon was selling an S8 related product that required you had the S8 ecu already then yes im sure anyone considering that product would also factor in the cost of the ECU if they were comparing it against another product that didnt require it.
I VERY VERY REGUARLY recomend people go to you for products and ive bought several things through you myself (easily upwards of a grand) so ive utterly no intention of ever portaying you as anything other than a fantastic person to do business with, as thats my honest opinion of what you are.
You asked where Simon's price of a 1000 came from, so i showed you, as thats the effective real cost of the product.
If simon was selling an S8 related product that required you had the S8 ecu already then yes im sure anyone considering that product would also factor in the cost of the ECU if they were comparing it against another product that didnt require it.
Originally Posted by chip-3door
...Like for example if Simon brought out a "S8 ECU logging and display" peice of software to compete with Stu's offering then im sure people looking at it would think about the cost of the S8 too.
Not long now
Oh, I didnt realise you were working on that, talk about making it look like i was an insider when i wasnt
i literally just plucked that example out of thin air cause Stu's stuff seemed relevant and you were the most likely commpetitor, LOL
27-10-2006, 03:27 PM
#49
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
You've just reminded me that Nikola is working on providing individual cylinder trim as a future upgrade (along with ALS) .
.For fucks sake, first SECS and now RP Labs, would you lot stop worshipping the ground i walk on so much that anything i mention on a forum you have to go and do and pretend you already were
27-10-2006, 03:28 PM
#50
Chip,
I can see what you're saying, but you're using the wrong example, as you would have already had to purchase the S8. In my opinion, the RP Labs system, is obviously aimed at people who ALREADY have an L8 ECU (as in, it came FREE with their car purchase 
.
I can see what you're saying, but you're using the wrong example, as you would have already had to purchase the S8. In my opinion, the RP Labs system, is obviously aimed at people who ALREADY have an L8 ECU (as in, it came FREE with their car purchase
.
27-10-2006, 03:33 PM
#51
Testing the future
Originally Posted by chip-3door
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
You've just reminded me that Nikola is working on providing individual cylinder trim as a future upgrade (along with ALS) .
.For fucks sake, first SECS and now RP Labs, would you lot stop worshipping the ground i walk on so much that anything i mention on a forum you have to go and do and pretend you already were
27-10-2006, 03:33 PM
#52
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Chip,
I can see what you're saying, but you're using the wrong example, as you would have already had to purchase the S8. In my opinion, the RP Labs system, is obviously aimed at people who ALREADY have an L8 ECU (as in, it came FREE with their car purchase .
I can see what you're saying, but you're using the wrong example, as you would have already had to purchase the S8. In my opinion, the RP Labs system, is obviously aimed at people who ALREADY have an L8 ECU (as in, it came FREE with their car purchase
.Mike, can you see the *slight* similarity between these:
Mike, imagine this entirely hypothetical scenario.
you own an S8 ecu, and you are after running individual injector trims based on EGT, and thats something simon has just brought out a product for
you can buy an ecu that already does it for a grand
your S8 is worth 400 quid secondhand
the upgrade is 600 quid
Whats the cost of simons upgrade versus the other ecu?
To me, they both cost the same.
you own an S8 ecu, and you are after running individual injector trims based on EGT, and thats something simon has just brought out a product for
you can buy an ecu that already does it for a grand
your S8 is worth 400 quid secondhand
the upgrade is 600 quid
Whats the cost of simons upgrade versus the other ecu?
To me, they both cost the same.
Mike, imagine this entirely hypothetical scenario.
you own an L8 ecu, and you are after running individual injector trims based on EGT, and thats something mike has just brought out a product for
you can buy an ecu that already does it for a grand
your L8 is worth 250 quid secondhand
the upgrade is 750 quid inlcuding postage to germany etc
Whats the cost of mikes upgrade versus the other ecu?
To me, they both cost the same.
you own an L8 ecu, and you are after running individual injector trims based on EGT, and thats something mike has just brought out a product for
you can buy an ecu that already does it for a grand
your L8 is worth 250 quid secondhand
the upgrade is 750 quid inlcuding postage to germany etc
Whats the cost of mikes upgrade versus the other ecu?
To me, they both cost the same.
Wether you bought your ECU, got it free with your car, or your granny got given it by Phil for starring in a lesbian porn flick with his gran, doesnt change the fact that when considering possible ways of getting certain functionality, if you can sell that ecu for 250 quid or 400 quid or whatever then that is money you could put towards the outright purchase of an alternative!
27-10-2006, 04:06 PM
#54
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
More quality arguments.
I only started the thread to show Garage19 how fantastic the mapping software was cause we were discussing it on the phone
I cant fucking win, i was doing mikes promotional work for him i thought, and now im apparently a saboteur
27-10-2006, 04:20 PM
#56
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Chip,
Bollocks, YOU are Mr Devil's Advocate .
Bollocks, YOU are Mr Devil's Advocate
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27-10-2006, 05:03 PM
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PMSL @ The devil - Is that a reference to me ??? 
Mike,
Have to say, I dont think Chip or myself have said anything that is untrue
or unfair on this thread.
Even the price I quoted you queried is correct in the right context as explained.
My suggestion about the free software was intended to help your sales.
There is no doubt this is a good product just a big shame about the "real" price.
Mike,
Have to say, I dont think Chip or myself have said anything that is untrue
or unfair on this thread.
Even the price I quoted you queried is correct in the right context as explained.
My suggestion about the free software was intended to help your sales.
There is no doubt this is a good product just a big shame about the "real" price.
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