(know this is always a topic but) The one who is going to court to contest the decission against her at her school workplace. That John was proper ripping into her, just loved it when he asked, "is it true you didn't wear it in the interview" She refused to answer.

And also the other case of the white catholic woman at the airport was sent home for refusing to put her cross away, they say Turbans etc are allowed as they can't be hidden. Like they would put it away anyway if they could but surely the point is that these muslims can openly display their faith yet we can't. Typical.

You just know she will go to court and win though, just like that school pupil did who refused to wear standard school uniform that all other kids had to.

 

a long long time ago there used to be a country called england ive got nothing against othe nationalities living here but its goin to far now , i mean you dont go to a persons house and take ovewr it do yoiu

 

She says the children don't have a problem with it or see it as afftecting their learning but surely they wouldn't self evaluate their own learning and probably wouldn't realise if it was hampering them anyway.

Theres nothing in her religion to says she needs it but she claims its up to her how she interprets her fait, well i say shes just looking for the battle then. Why don't they just bend and wear the normal one.

 

wearing a turban is religous, do people who wear turbans walk around with the religous knife out?

 

The company policy for BA ref the catholic woman is no jewellery! Its irrelevant that her choosen form of jewellery is religious symbolism, she is deliberately clouding the issue by bringing religion in to it.

 

I could'nt hardly understand a work she was saying
This country really needs to get a spine

 

Sorry but who classes jewellery?
the cross is a symbol of the crucifixion and she is right that she does not have to consider what she wears jewellery-she is absoluty correct on that point

And the muslim girl is also clouding the issue as she does not have to wear the veil for her religion and yet she is forcing the issue...

 

best not get me on the subject of our country going to pot due to too many foriegners.i never used to mind any foriegn people what so ever,but now they just seem to be taking over.and they seem to have more rights than us now

 

No jewelry? So why did they say she could wear it but just not on display? Fair enough if this applies to all but if appears this is not the case today.

The point i was getting at is that IF muslims can bypass so many rules or dress codes that are set then why can't the catholic woman have it adjusted too.

 

Surely she would be a lot happier teaching in another country with an attitiude like that!

 

I agree completely about the muslim girl.
I would guess BAs HR department classes a necklace as jewellery, its the woman who's attached the religious sybolism to it though

 

The BA woman KNEW that the cross if wron had to be worn under her blouse. There are hundreds if not thousands of people who wear religious jewellery to work and who still manage to abide by the rules so why cant these two women.

seems to me they are making a big issue out of it and dare i say it some money too. Both them women need a slap IMO

As for people discussing wearing turbans - why should we take them off because people dont feel comfortable with them - they can fuck right off. I dont discriminate against people wearing their religious items but comments like that from ignorant twats piss me off.

If you guys feel that strongly about it why dont you do some research before opening your uneducated mouths. If you are brining an argument to the table at least make it a well informed one

 

End of disscusion!!!

 

Did she wear the veil during the interview?

I can understand the wearing of them amongst the fucking ugly.

In fact, it should be actively encouraged.

Out of interest homes as you said "we", how come you don't wear one? Hot rock burns?

 

rans i got fuck all prob what labels belong to any religion what i find offensive are some and i mean just some is the attitude when coming to live here if they dont like it why be here oh and as far as knowledge ive worked with muslims punjabs ect for a good while know

 

When i was at school indian women could have their nose pierced but us english couldnt.... why should there be one rule for one and a different rule for another...

Give them an inch and they have taken a mile i think

I dont see why the BA woman cant wear a cross over her shirt.... unless its a requirement to wear jewellery under your shirt...

 

well said that man

the 5 K's are as follows and must be worn at all times:
turban (you show respect by covering your head in the presance of god, if you go to the temple you cover your head with a cloth to show the same respect
kanga (comb) to keep your hair tidy
kara (bangle) as a symbol of unity
kutch (shorts) so you are always ready to go into battle (thats why we bathe wearing our boxers )
kirpan (sword) becuase you should always be ready to fight for our cause (we are a religion born out of war in 1699)

the turban issue is to do with health and safety, namely that you can't wear a helmet over the top, which is why the law states that you do not need to wear a helmet while riding a bike if you are a sikh and wear a turban
the second exception we have is that, as part of our true beliver status as full card carrying singhs is that we are duty bound to wear a sword, but it is an accepted thing to be allowed to wear a short dagger type blunt representation in a sheath above our vests and outer clothing

so its not as if we sikhs make a big deal out of it, the only outward signs are that some of us wear turbans and some don't while the majority wear the bangle (in various sizes and metals) and the rest is hidden away

i must also add that we have had a violent history with the muslims (which is why we rose up and because a seperate religion, but that stoy is way WAY to long to go into here) so we should be laughing and pointing about their predicament, but we don't because we are all bought up to let everyone else be themselves, as long as we go about our lifes peacefully we shold not have to worry about anyone causing a ruck

it seems that it's the muslims who are starting to show defiance to the countries that they live in as to how they should be treated on ALL parts of their religion, you don't hear about it from any other religion really do you, and you have to wonder why.....................

anyway, i asked one of them bints to pay her fare as there was no way i could tell if it was her eyes on the buss pass that she flashed in front of me
needless to say, the police took her away after she started to bang on the safety screen with her fists, i shouldn't really but i was afterwards

cover you body by all means, but let us see your faces ebcause, lets be honest, if it was any one of us walking down the street with balaclavs on, you'd have SP19 down on your like an london underground tube train

 

Why get shitty when this is purely a discussion and expression of opinions...

 

Just 2 of the many articles in a daily paper I glanced through on Saturday.

1. New Islamic school in Leicester must by law have 10% of pupils of other denominations BUT the girls in this 10% MUST wear scarves like the Islams, regardless of their religion!

2. A Muslim chemist refused the morning after pill to a white woman as it was against his beliefs and religion!

Just who calls the tune in this country?

 

u should thank them for not letting you look stupid then!

 

This whole thing is just going to blow up in someones face.

That stupid woman with the veil is onto a hiding to nothing as she didnt wear it for her interview when there was a male school governer present.

Hopefully she will be sacked and told to piss off and stop wasting peoples time and money.

 

lynne youve hit the nail on the head really if i visited afghanistan or pakistan . india i would give respect to there way of life and try to fit as much as poss

what it seems to me that the traditional values that rans and dojj have mentioned are goin away fast espacaily in the muslim comunity where the new generation seem to usethe religion as mask for aggressive activities. i wonder how many people have sat and talked to a elder asian man its fickin amazin how wise they are

im not a god fearing man or what ever and i personall think that religion is a crutch for weak mind people(not a insult just my opinion) that need alot more than themselves to beleive in lets face it if you have a responsible family they teach you right and wrong and how to lead your life you dont need religion to do this imo

 

do you want to know the reason women peirce their noses?

it goes back a long way
basicly, if your wife cheated on you, theyw ould put a ring in her nose with a chain attached to her ear, in the same way they put rings through cows noses, it's a sign that the woman has been trouble and, as they do with cows, yanking her nose soon pulls her back into line

there was a similar thing with the native americans where they would slit womens noses for being tarts just so that everyone knew that they were trouble and to avoid them

so if you have your noses peirced........................

nowadays it's almost considered art, but at least you now know

i love all this religoius stuff, you learn loads from it

also, regarding the wearing of turbans:

most sikhs wear the bangle, if only to show other sikhs that they are sikhs
the turban is worn to show that you have decided not to cut your hair (even though i know my brother in law wears one but he has cut his hair, it's a rule of the religion that you should not cut any of your hair on any of your body, thats why you see some indian old grannies with stubble)
if you go the whole hog and decide you wish to partake in the whole religios experenece then you "amrit shuck", which basicly is like being baptised and then you wear all 5 symbols of sikhism, follow the 5 main rules laid down (similar to the 10 comandments and that sort of stuff for the lot that follow the 10 comnadments side of churchy stuff yes, you can call me a heathen and an infedel if you like ) so it's a lifestyle choice
if you are a full sikh then you have attained the rank of preist

 

I agree they are bloody discusting piercings in my opinion BUT the point is.... why cant british people have the same rule

 

for the same reasons girls get away with a lot more than boys,women can all go into a club for free with no queue and men pay through the nose and shiver in the cold only so that they can pay even more money to buy the girls drinks. life isnt fair,play with the cards your dealt with

 

That 5 would include the "funky underpants" yeah?

 

So on this point of all the religious rules....

Why cant the BA woman wear her cross??

 

As far as im aware, their religion does NOT insist on the veil anyway, only the headscarf which im sure all (non racist) britons will accept as part of her culture.
The veil was only introduced for political and social reasons, not religious ones according to a friend of mine who is a muslim.

 

People are so right when they say wars and religion in the same sentence, that it's the cause of all this unrest. Too many people use this to hide atrocities behind the excuse 'religion and beliefs' and this excuse is just now about being used for everything.

 

No wonder the BNP get more support every year.
If people don't like it in Britain, then pee off.

 

They DO like Britain, that's the whole crux of the matter. They know we have a spineless government who will pander to them to keep the PC brigade happy.

 

I absolutely guarentee that at the time the veil was introduced NO women in their society were allowed to work AT ALL either, they just fucking pick and choose the bits of their own culture that suits them and pick the bits of our culture that suits them too.

I agree with the above, about it making things FAR too easy for twats like the BNP

 

yes mate

in case you were to be awakened in the night you would still be able to go to battle because you would be clothed and armed

my father in law wears full kit to bed even, but he sleeps on his side otherwise he might poke himself with his sword

 

PMSL

 

Dojj that educated me somewhat for like 20 years wondered why sikhs wont get a hair cut Fair play for explaining

I think the veils are just another thing muslims use to create arguement to divide people i mean its only brought up when they get in trouble or some grief so they go Oh your a racist this is my religon (more like cultural bullshit) bUT when its ther OWN conveniance ok if i dont wear this or do that because i can gain something out of the situation if i dont wear the veil IE getting a job in the first place!! Winds me up this whole attitude

 

Like when someone gets attacked or murdered its ALWAYS a "racial attack" must really bugger them when one person of a certain religion or colour kills another one!

In my opinion this whole country is wrong.... it try's to accomodate other religions etc which is fair enough... but they dont give a flying fuck about us English people who have been born and bred here and paid tax all our life!

I cant wait to move to Australia where they take shit from no-one and actually help their australian citizens buy their own house etc!

 

I'm sorry - did you forget about the majority of people from other religions that are English, and were born and bred here, and have paid tax all their life.

Don't be so bloody ignorant.

 

My comment was more based on illegal immigrants who claim off our government, commit crime and enjoy life for nothing here

 

And where did i say that people who are of a different religion arent English??

 

...... yeah,. and of course those are the ones appearing on GMTV