...lots to be done yet as Rhys car just aint upto this kinda BHP and i aint near full power yet!..At a guess i am approaching 500bhp and the car is all over the place...traction is an issue in first and second but i guess not alot can be done here...i have the widest tyres i can go at 235's with caravan assistors..yet to put the Mike R shims in...that should help...plus all the weight in the boot should help!...I noted the rubber on the steering knuckle is perishing again probably causing the unease feel...Suspension feels odd avos on the rear which go either too hard or too soft i cant get a good feel ..The front Koni's are on hardest yet they dont feel hard enuff...its all polybushed too yet feels similar to my other saff with the T4 hi comp lump in.

Do all BIG power Saffs feel like this too you like they aint meant to have more than 400bhp?...When i bought it off Rhys the power felt right for the car about 380bhp...so what mods car i do to make it feel like a car MEANT for this power?..All i know is i cant turn the boost up in fear of the car falling apart literally

 

Have you had a 4 wheel alignment check done phil?,
its amazing what even a couple of degrees here or there can do to the stability under hard accleration.

Caravan spring assistors will make the back harder, the exact opposite of what you want for traction under hard acceleration, so rip those fucking things out for a start!

 

Chip they are a vast improver....thats the secret to TIBs times plus Karl also recommends.

You may not realise that when a cossie accelerates it squats causing the wheels to go out thus causing less tyre contact to road...the assistors keep more tyre on the road so more grip.

 

Nope. Mike's old saff felt totally planted at all times, and carried a staggering amount of corner speed.

Did have all the right parts though.......

 

To add its running the same cometic head gasket which may also prove not good enuff for upped boost....but then i test not guess

 

Pon what suspension did that have?

 

IIRC, Ledas with the correct spring rates, rose jointed rear beam, front 3door hubs, S-02s all round, and the Quaife diff helped too......

 

looks an sounds like a weapon when its all done ive been told that the ultimate for handalin is to have coil overs on the rear an konis up front by a few mates who use this set up on the track

 

What about the bars that Danny B is selling heard nothing but good results about them.

 

Yeah was thinking about coilovers on rear and sticking with the front konis with the Danny B bars ...it just dont feel right as it is.

 

Trouble is a lot of money needs to be spent uprating a old car to take 500-600bhp thats 400 over std one of the reasons i got put off tbh, as its big expense to do it.

Good luck with it Phil.

 

phil the steering joint being perished is will cause the road cambers to make to fight to keep the car in a straight line,,,, my cossie had all the bushes done ect but i had issues with the car wandering all over the A127 above 120ish


anyway the bad news is there ni longer available and theres no where thats got em as i wanted a new coupling

you best bet is getting dannyb to fabricate a 4wd coupling to fit the 2wd car, that wil help alot more than you think mate

 

Whos danny b???

bars?

 

I dont have them Phil & can use Nitrous in second, the ability to acclerate to 150 in 12 secs suggests we have solved the traction problems. Leave Caravan bits for Caravans & get it modded correctly. Im sure Mark will tell you what to fit, but it aint cheap but doing things correctly rarely is.

 

DannyB @ Adrenalin...............does all kinds of weird and wonderful things with metal work,do a search there some pics of the "bars"

www.adrenaline-race.com

If you use the search "frame connectors" is what i think you'll be looking for

 

Danny b is racecar fabricator and his own company called adrenaline race.
Has made some traction bars for improving the torsional rigidity of your cars shell for making the car stiff and less flexing of the shell the car will more stable in the corners.
And read this
https://passionford.com/forum/viewto...light=#3189445

 

Agree with that,got a m8 to shorten one for mine,lot bettter design on the 4x4

Fitted ADJ TCA's to mine,poly bushed diff mount,poly bushed suspension,rear shims.
Handles real nice now for a road car,Konis and Eibach springs

Only running a measly 406 bhp though,not as much as you

Think the best set-up for the rear end is an adjustable beam as said above.

Will hopefully get some adrenaline bars fitted next year

 

not a secret any more

 

I would recommend PROPER strut braces front and rear. I would also suggest that you check all the bushes out. I would guess that the rear damping / springs are all wrong as well.

What are you running (in detail, as in specific parts)?

If you want proper traction, the 6° rear beam is ESSENTIAL.

Standard diff maybe shot to pieces and not transfer power properly (would need checking out at a minimum - Marco can do this for you).

 

If it was my car I'd go for Mike R's old set up and settings that he published on here - add the frame connectors and if it's slightly too stiff because of the extrra rigidity then back off the settings a little.
In the interim, get a proper 4wheel printout done and then think about what you can improve cheaply and quickly.

 

escort cosworth rear anti roll bar and danny b's frame connectors should help alot...

 

If you sort the backend out with a beam that doesnt camber the wheels up, then you dont have to bodge it up to stop it squatting anymore and you can make use of the extra weight transfer, but yeah fair point on the crappy standard setup, i thought you had a decent rear beam in that car for some reason like rod does.

Ive actually got sprint assistors in mine as it happens, cause im on a shitty standard rear beam, just didnt realise you were too!

 

Does the thicker rear ARB make it understeer more out of interest?

 

never had any problem with mine on the track felt alot better just on its own .. deffo stiffer .. but the frame connectors are about one of the best things i have had fitted to the car to help it turn

 

Yes yours goes well!
The frame connectors are definitely on my list.
Just wondered about the rear ARB .................actually I've just realised as I'm typing realised it should make it turn in better as it will give less grip at the rear in comparison to front according to conventional suspension tuning wisdom

 

immy give me Ł650 exchange and your tractoin problems will be over 7 day turn around

 

i was struggling with the same issues as you and found i'm at a point now where i need and adjustable rear beam of zoo, but vast improvements i found were from the quaife diff, remove rear arb, axle tightening kit, increase profile of rear tyres went from 40 to 45 handles dam good and corners like a cunt with the lead down, i knock about with tib, i got a saph with 373 @ back wheels dont know fly figure

 

just need another 50 odd horses