prob been asked before but im just curious

i know ap's are regarded the best but if so why do nearly all car companies use brembos including rally teams and fi teams ?

the only cars i know use ap's are tvr's whereas companies using brembo include

seat, fiat, peugeot,ford,mitsi,scooby,alfa,mercs, jags, land rover and more that i have forgotten

is just ap's cost more ?

matt

 

i thought brembo were better and cost more

arent ferrari enzo, mclaren slr brakes brembo

 

i was led to believe ap's were better but to me the more car, rally and f1 teams using brembo speaks numbers lol

 

I thought APs aswell but seems to be alot using Brembo

 

there are many variants of these calipers, the road versions and the race versions are completly differant, especially those cheap crap brembos you see on all the production cars, they are not as good as the production ap's as found on the seat ibiza cupra etc etc

 

mark, the seat cupra r's come with the brembos, same ones as focus rs,alfas, fiat coupe and pug 406 coupes

matt

 

did i say cupra R ?

the ibiza cupra's come with ap's pal

 

ok so doesnt this prove my point or question even more ?

the better cupra r comes with brembos

 

do they , my mates one never had em and hes was a t reg one with half leathers in it,,,,,,,, aswell as being yellow with red seat belts

 

depends on how you mean 'better' personally i rate the ibiza cupra much higher than the leon, espcially in performance and more stable/better feel under braking with the ap's

and bal - sorry dont do shonky 'old' cars pal

 

the ibiza IS a shonky car though,,,,,,,,,,,, but the one me mate had was a nice a sorted car an they come with a vr6 engine as standard

fun car but the looms aint the best

 

yeh what ever

 

Going back to the AP Vs Brembo discussion, if you don't know Brembo purchased AP Racing about 4-5 years ago. And it seems that now it's all down to marketing where you see each of the brands being used!!!

It's all down to brand management now, and from what I have seen on the new Brembo racing equipment, you will begin to see more and more Brembo branded racing products which have historically been in the AP Racing category.

Pratically speaking though, both brands are excellent and between them you will be able to find a product that will suite your purpose.

 

What he said.

 

The brembos on the misubishi are spot on when the car is standard but when the engine is tuned you are best going to AP's as the brembos are no good

That was from a guy that tunes Jap cars http://www.system-r.co.uk/ and he had the following car in ready for the change

 

There is no comparison between OEM equipment that comes with the car as standard and aftermarket racing items even if they are branded Brembo. There are too many compromises and cost savings involved when specifying components on new cars.

However, if you check out Brembo's website, you will also see comparable after market calipers and kits which perform much better than the standard OEM items that were fitted as standard.

Just remember not all Brembo's are made equal!!! Which also stands true for AP Racing calipers too!!! [/quote]

 

so from reading the comment about the mitsi brembos, will focus rs calipers be good enough to stop a 330 brake saph ?

surely the focus calipers must be an improvement on standard fourbie calipers ?

matt

 

yup, my mates evo had brembos, fine till he added another 150bhp or so. he is now running ap's

you always see a few pairs of focus rs brembo's on ebay aswell

 

What you must also remember is to match the calipers with decent pads and discs too! The caliper is only as good as the friction/force it can apply to the disc......

 

i think the reason alot of people presume AP's are better than brembo's are beacuse of this:

people upgrade say on evo's from standard brembo's to an AP kit is generally for the fact that Brembo dont do an off the self kit that bolts onto an Evo. Its the same company your buying from, so why does it matter to them.

Why make 2 kits for the same car, when you can make 1.

no kit is better than the other in my opinion as vary rarley due u see the same idenitcal spec'd kit for the same car for a comparison.

your talking about comparing standard production brakes, which are generally smaller to racing brakes with larger disc diametres.

Chalk and cheese

 

Just a shame there is not a brake guide covered in a mag ect. as that would be a very interesting read all the different calipers/ disc's/ pads, covered on the same spec car the mags should have bigger budgets to cover this

 

just because ap own brembo and vice versa doesnt mean there run as the same entity, each will have a marketing manager, each will have targets to meet each year and each will have a separate production line. its still a business after all. and did i not say earlier that like for like road caliper for road caliper the ap is still a better caliper.

 

My F-Car runs brembos ...the escos runs 6pot AP's...and the sapp runs 4pot brembos....all very good brakes...but the 6 pot ap's are staggering ..Not much help to the topic though

 

I used the TVR AP's on my 380bhp 2wd Saph with 300mm AP discs and it stops on a pin head now. Ive driven skylines with brembos and they didnt seem as good but that could be different pads, fluid or just the weight of the car.

 

I was under the impression Brembo Bought out AP, i have the new style Ap's
and the New style Brembo's they are exaclty the same...

Al........