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iTrader: (1)

been training on and of for years bit been back solid for almost a year now, never did deadlifts before but just before xmas a thot fuck it, so my first every time i did 8x 60 8x 100 8x140 then back to 100 for a cool down,,

that was the last week in dec 09, wnet back after new year and been doing it since, really enjoying it,,

how does every1 train ? ive been going in, doing 8@60kg 8@100kg 8@140kg 2@180kg 1@190kg then down to 100kg for a cool down,, then training back.

had a few mixed opinions, few have said to go in do 2 warm ups then a few max lifts then a cool down.

but others say keep training as i have been,,

any other advice will be appreciated,

sean

Coldo

Depends what you are training for? Strength or size?

If for pure strength, 5x5 as heavy as possible is the way to go.

If you want to get bigger and stronger, probably sets of 8,5,2,1,8 the 8's being lowish weight, the 5,2,1 being progessivly working to your max.

There are loads of ways to do it, but obviously if you want to lift a big weight, you shouldnt tire yourself out too much beforehand

Kieron

I have never done a max lift on deads. I find its too easy for the form to go out the window and for you to wobble a lift up. Can't be good for the back! Its just willy waiving imho.

Personally I prefer to do atleast a couple of sets of warm ups of 10-12 reps. One set is not a warm up imho, its not enough and to warm up you have to actually do something. 8 reps is not warming up. Then I build up to a max of 2/3 sets for 5/6 reps. After that a lower weight, higher rep set is very good.

Its just a personal thing that I can't just jump into a max lift after warming up. I'm not ready and nor is my body, I prefer to build up to a max lift ensuring that my muscles are ready. Others can jump straight in but I see it as a reciepe for disaster. I would injure myself good and proper jumping straight in.

Benni

A lot of time the lad I train with, who works at the gym and has been training for 40+ years has to tell people to take weight off and then do one to show them were they are going wrong, and why they don't want it to go wrong, because your back isn't something to mess about with.


Benni.

Coldo

People bang on too much about deadlift form.

Yes, its VERY important, but watch Bolton, Benny Magnusson, Felix and Konstantinovs form. Those guys are the best in the world yet their form is ALWAYS compromised for weight.

Dont get me wrong, its important but if you keep on lowering the weight in order to get perfect form then your progression will be slow and the chances are if you follow the basic technique and form tips, you'll get on fine.

3dr

iTrader: (1)

Coldo im amazed at how much you are able to lift, very impressive mate.
Well done.

My best to date is 180kg, and that was beyond my limit really.

stishy

deadlifts = excellent excersise! ..one that alot of people miss out! important excersise that shouldnt be missed out at all along with, bench press and squats.

Ed1

I dead lift once a week!

warm up - 70kg x 8

110 x 8

140 x 6 - 8

140 x 6 - 8

I got for reps rather than 1 rep max, i have done it in the past and got a 170kg though!

I have found reps make me ache more than high weight so that must mean they are doin more

Kieron

Sorry but I dont agree mate. Mind you have have a weak lower back.

I tend to think that my progression by doing sets of 5/6 max reps will be much quicker than doing 0 reps as I've fucked my back yet again!

Form is very important on any exercise. After all we are supposed to be hitting certain muscles or groups, not everything at once. The amount of dicks I see badly chucking weights around that are obviously far too heavy for them is unreal.

Depends on the goal I guess.

mackers

Form is everything, the weight will go up once your form is correct. Just wait until you injure your back and then you`ll find out how crucial correct form is. I speak from experience and my back has never been the same. I can lift heavy now but it took ages to get back to it.

Coldo

Don't get me wrong, i agree form is very important when lifting any weight.

However its all too often used by people who want to criticise/put down someone stronger than them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnzOEj5KC7w

That video is a good example. His form is "poor" if you want to put him down but he is lifting over 420kg!

To progress with weight, you need to compromise form, fact.

I'm not saying just heave the fucker up anyway possible disregarding form, but some parts of the lift wont be as pretty when you are really at the boundaries of your strength.

Benni

Why not lower the weight slightly, and focus on said muscle, while removing the risk of injury. Your back isn't to be fucked with, and you're probably getting a better targeted workout with slightly less weight. Do it light, do it right as they say.


Benni.

Kieron

Mate that has to be the daftest thing you've put.

Lets take this site for example. How many people have told you how impressed they are with your deadlifting capabilities? How how many have knocked you for form? I believe I myself have said that your lifting good weight and that I can't do anywhere near that but not once have I said you cheated it up or you form was poor. I have the upmost respect for your achievement.

I have never heard anyone put down someones strength saying "yeah but it looks messy" We are just trying to stop someone from fucking themselves up. Not a pro lifter, not the best in the world, not someone that probably has enough meat around their back to cradle it somewhat but a general gym rat like the rest of us.

I'm sorry for continuing this debate when I should have said my original bit and left it at that to let the OP make their mind up but to progress with weight you do not have to compromise form. Nor should you.

morrismuscle

I think some of you are mixing body building and power lifting up coldo great lift
if your training to look good stick to high reps if you want strength u should do max effort days alternated with speed days westside barbell style