giz1888

I took this car in a deal thought i could live with a 3 door car but have 2 kids so cant.I saw this car being restored and said i would have it one day now i got it i dont realy want to sell ti but need 4 doors plus the boss(wife)says it to loud.
Here a wee bit about it.It was stripped and rebuilt about 2 years ago stripped to a bareshell checked then resprayed this is a proper red turbo not resprayed form white.It has stage 2 power enginering engine hybrid turbo pace cooler chip -31 wastgate dump valve scorpion k&n samco hoses cossie fuel pump 4 paddle clutch.
Think it running about 240bhp very very fast.Also polybushed uprated brakes lowered brand new diamond cut 7 spokes.
Interior black and red leather with the rs logos stitched in cd player no cracks in dash only mark is on passenger head rest has a small black mark on it.
Overall it is a nice car stands out from anything i have seen as most are white would love to keep it but can`t so here to sell.
The only thing i would change is the parcel shell it is a mdf one which is to heavy
may p/x
car is in glasgow
tel-07927082084
£3,500
pics a bit crap because of the weather
will try get better ones if it clears up

craigos

hi mate any pics of the engine bay has that been painted to ie door shuts etc

giz1888

my cam playing up should be fixed by during the week the whole car red underneath the lot it is original red turbo no colour change on log book hpi clear the lot

giz1888

i havede alot of emails why so cheap it need both plastic kick panels that are in the footwell also the insid passenger trim that goes along the sill and the edge of the carpet is missing the new owner before me took them off to clean them and lost them would cost no more than £50 for them that it nothing else engine mint gearbox fine outside no rust at all hope this helps

maxest

iTrader: (1)

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but the car isnt a genuine red S1,,, its a reshell...

http://bbs.rsownersclub.co.uk/showthread.php?t=87628

steviecossie

i could,nt get in to the rsoc site, how do you kno maxest?

it does look nice tho

just had a look at it on pistonheads

turbo1973

seen this on ebay last year

fireandskill1

Very nice car but it as very early mk3 shell (twin bolt strut tops) so not a genuine S1, Nowt wrong with that but it should state in the ad that the car has been re-shelled

Mixja

its opened a can of worms..!!!

https://passionford.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=245004

GAZ-MAN

Nice car m8 hope u have good luck selling

sueedw

sounds bad but you will probly be better of stripping it and selling the parts..

Shings

The only problem with this is its being advertised as a S1 and it aint.

If it was advertised as a replica or a re shell or whatever you wanna call it it wouldn't matter.

Unfourtunatly as long as people are able to, and indeed do take I.D.'s off more expensive rotten or crashed cars with all the assiciated bits and put them on good shells then this type of situation will occur where people slag off the owner for doing such a terible thing..... but bare in mind its not always for illegal purposes- it happens in rallying all the time.

The car probably cost a fair bit to build and is probably worth the money as a good straight S1 replica with a few nice bits on it and if its got paper work to go with the inspection from the DVLA (as suggested on the RSBB) then it will also be a safe purchase for whoever buys it- IE It wont be taken off you by the police for being a ringer.


Jake

giz1888

mate i got no idea what you said you prob know your stuff a saw it being built it worth every penny cheers for the info but a hpi the car it came back as a red s1 turbo am happy with that £3,500 fair price it says s1 turbo on the book so cheers for the info but it still 3 ,500

GAZ-MAN

its had a colour change at somepoint in its life but no bad history no smashes, or reports of bein stolen or insurance losses, its no big deal with it bein changed colour looks like on one of the pics all inside the arches etc are red its obviously been a proffesional job and looks very mint cond

Alps Pacino

I think everyone is mising the most important point here, its an early shell on a c reg thus making it a ringer

fordsportjay

iTrader: (6)

yes,unfortunately as nice as the car looks-if its on a 2 bolt strut top then it must be an early mk3 shell-
not a restored rs turbo shell.it may have rs turbo id now but what is the floor number like?

its a nice car-you may not have known about the shell,but just advertise it as what you have found out it is.

matts1

As said, the HPi report is not going to show anything. If you have the chassis number and reg details from a non recorded scrapped car on this then the DVLA will think it is the original donner car

The ID from this car is most likely from a scrapped S1 shell. This car has an earlier shell and so can not be an S1

It is harsh, but if you are convinced it is all pukka, then a full inspection from the DVLA with paper work to prove is the best bet.

If they say it isall ok then great, as a replica it is nice, but can't see how it is anything other than an S1 replica.

giz1888

so do you think it ringer it red all underneath the lot roof lining there is no white anywhere i only go by what i saw when it wasgetting built and says rs turbo on book still a cracker defo not a ringer anyway

matts1

It doesn't matter if the car was stripped of all paint and fully resprayed any colour then built using all genuin S1 parts.

The fact is that the shell is NOT an original S1 she, and therefore it is NOT an S1.

If it has an S1 chassis number and reg - where did it come from and how did it get on the car? It must have been added to the shell and replaced the original chassis numbers, therefore it is a ringer.

The problem is that the shell is from an earlier car, before the S1 was created so it can't be factory.

If the correct shell had been used, then this would never have came to light, as many S1's have been rebuild and have new floor pans etc. Maybe when the car was rebuilt, whoever built the car put new floor pans in and applied to have new numbers stamped in, but decided to use the donor S1 ID rather than the ID of the shell?

GAZ-MAN

it says on the check thats its had 1 Colour Change

It's Czech Mate

Built from a red xr3i, its a fooking ring a ding dinger....jesus how many more fooking times. No one would buy it for fear of having it taken off them by the cops/dvla.....if it had DVLA paperwork then great, u got away with it.

The HPI is worth shit because it will be checking out the ident of the original S1.

What is so hard to understand, unless you have comprehensive paperwork from the DVLA the car is at risk of being impounded and crushed let alone q plated. Thats why its worth fuck all.

It is a lovely thing tho

carlo

iTrader: (4)

Its a good looking car but because its reshelled gonna be tricky sell

matts1

As said, HPi checks are telling you about the original S1, the ID from that car was put onto this car, it is not the original S1 that left the factory

RScrew69

i got told it was a y reg rs1600i shell that was used

series1john

Just to add more fuel to the fire although the car does look stunning it aint a s1 otherwise you would be showing pictures of the engine bay to show the strut tops.
It is a shame that you believe its genuine and it certainly never came from factory red if you tried selling it as a replica you still may get the money you want as to the quality of the rebuild on an earlier shell. but while there is still this shadow over the car it will be hard to sell and only a fool would buy it as a genuine s1.
once again sorry mate but you've been had good and proper.

ben25

Doesnt look good. Its a shame that you have been conned when you brought it luckily people on here now there fords and someone wont buy something thats not what it says on the tin.

matts1

Must admit, it is a really nice looking motor, sits well and looks well done.

It may be worth breaking it though should it not shift.

fordsportjay

iTrader: (6)

reading between the lines does the guy think it was a red series 1 turbo out of the factory that has been restored????

sounds like he has had his hat well and truly nailed on if someone selling it told him that.

the only way to see is to look at the floorpan and see how/if the number is stamped in.get the carpet out and have a good look.

its a real shame as it looks a decent thing,but the fact is its an early shell-had they have used a later mk3 shell,this conversation wouldnt be taking place

steviecossie

so do you reckon this guy would be better
breaking the car then?

steviecossie

if he's bought it thinking it was a genuine
S1 turbo he must be well pissed off

matts1

I would say so, his problem is that if he goes digging into how legit the car is, it may turn up a nasty suprise and he may be releaved of the car by authorities.

I would imagine he would get a decent figure by breaking it?

fordsportjay

iTrader: (6)

its really difficult as its clearly not a s1 shell,but the car now has gained s1 i.d. from somewhere
personally i think it would have been better if it had been a xr3i/rs1600 id with all s1 bits fitted.then it can be sold as a genuine replica.

its very sticky ground-i would break it

but to be fair i bet even the dvla examiners dont know about the early/later strut top issue,but they will know about floor numbers being changed/erased.unless its had the floorpan welded in from the s1.......
glad im not selling it

maybe the mods should look at this and advise the seller accordingly

ben25

Think I would pay the previous owner a visit

matts1

I agree, if this was brought as an S1, then maybe someone off here who really knows there stuff my be able to offer some advice on the best route to take, or inspect the car and find out wat has gone on.

Afterall, no need for the lad to get punished for what someone else has done.

There may be a good way out of this that leaves everyone happy.

Paddy

Right, I've only just seen this.

I'm locking the thread because I DO NOT want any Passion ford prospective members/members buying this car as it is.

FAO TOPIC STARTER

If you were not aware that this car had been reshelled and you say you've HPi'd it, I suggest you contact HPi and ask where you stand with them. I understand all the S1 ID has been swapped so it'll only show up as that BUT if people above are saying they are aware of an ID change onto a non-S1 shell, there MUST be a record of it somewhere.

If you were aware You should NOT be trying to sell this as an S1.

Thank you to everyones advice above.

I agree that unless you can PROVE this car has been registered and checked with the DVLA [or everyone is just mistaken] you should break it and seek some kind of legal recourse with the previous owner.

Please let us know how you get on.

Paddy

FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT REPLIED ABOVE

The topic starter would like to thank you for all your input [and so would I!!] for bringing this to everyones attention without turning it into a bitching contest.

He was unaware of the history of the vehicle and has returned the vehicle to where he bought it from and has his old car back.

Thank you again, you've all done Passion Ford proud and I'm only sorry for the poor fella that bought the car unwittingly.