Lloyd

27th july 2008,elvington airfield.who wants to enter?can we get a fwd team this year?

Gatecrasher

what about 4x4 and Rwd Teams as there was none this year

I will be there, doubt if i will enter even if i have the new engine in the car as you cant compete against the 1000hp skylines and 600, 700 and 800hp subarus and evos how do you think you will get on lloyd?

Luca

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I would like to think mine will be ready, im sure 2008 there will be a good few entrants from the fwd boys...

smitsturbo

id love to enter my fwd escort but i wouldnt like to put my name down if its not finished so i'll let you know closer the time

pocket_rocket

Same as that

Lloyd

top speed will now be measured over 1kilometer.

Rallyeslag

I'll be there spectating.
Did'nt go last year, but went the year before.
Good show, still get all your chavs drolling/messing about everywhere tho!
Oh and Westwoooood, yeah baby, WTF?

Rod-Tarry

Thank god for that, Mike wont keep pestering me to enter now. How can you consider a speed at 1k is anywhere near a Topspeed seems silly. May as well scrap The Half Speed event & consentrate on the drag & handling, the 4X4 boys obviously didnt like Joels RWD Viper winning it each year .

chris-m

Rod
some of the cars were doing near 200mph at 1/2mile last yr, (keith did 209mph in half mile) and many are hitting 180+mph at that distance. Dropping it back to a standing kilometre gives a little bit of safety aspect, is a lot less hard on engines, and also allows a hard wired (instant) speed result rather than having to radio them back to the timing cabin. at this stage however its a proposal only for the team reps to consider.
Many of the team reps have already responded favourably to the proposal, and we may also be able to have the top speed spectating area back as a bonus.

The handling circuit is also subject to a new timing system which we can run 2 cars seperately timed with a suitable safe interval, based on transponders, to effectively cut the queue for the handling cct right down.

TiB

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Oh great
I've sold my old gearing and changed it for taller gearing as i was hitting the limiter before the mile.

Should of bloody kept it

chris-m

hi lee!
as i say its only one of a number of proposals at the mo, but it does look like quite a few team reps are in favour, and the safety aspect might be forced onto us to shorten it anyway, awaiting a decision on that. 1km is still a hell of a distance, it will make the top ten result closer still.

there will be a few timed handling rwyb days at elvington prior to totb also, using the new timing system , which might let people set up the handling of their cars better, and have a play on the surface there in practise.
will post dates up , first one april i believe.

Rod-Tarry

Joel won it with a 204 so like shit he was doing near 200 at 1k.
180 is a million miles from 200, mines done 180 in 900m, but its nowhere near its Topspeed.
My car is a Topspeed machine over 1.5miles & so its entering Vmax & Fighting Torque next year, just a pity for the Ford lads its not suitable over such a short distance.

Keith aint in the normal event & is on a different planet.

Rod-Tarry

It will make it closer because it plays into the hands of the 4x4 cars, I bet Joel dont win it this year because like mine he needs distance to make up for lack of grip at the start.
You are only interested in creating an event not making it fair so from a safety point of view its a great desision, maybe dont run it, make it a drag/handling event , but please dont say one of the disciplines is Topspeed cos it aint.

chris-m

sorry you feel like that rod, but we are in discussion with the team reps and people who do want to compete in all 3 events, and its still a big part of that. its the same distance to all competitors, so hardly unfair, and its top speed at that distance. lots of cars are 150+mph now at 1/4m, lets see what happens and how it goes if it does change. you obviously think its been done by the 4wd gang , it has nothing to do with them, its our proposal based on a number of factors. all the top ten cars broke 190+mph last yr and two went 200+ at a mile, even without keiths 209mph in half a mile!

Cossie Helen

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We wont be there.


Did not enjoy it last year.

chris-m

your choice i suppose. we are tho implementing changes year on year, this season we will have some raised terraces for spectators plus the grandstands, which should help sort the spectator viewing at the barriers for viewing, in addition to other improvements.
the handling timing system should also cut right down on the queues for competitors, and the top speed viewing area may be reinstated if the insurers allow it.

TiB

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It is geared more towards 4x4 unfortunatly..

If the scoring system was changed to divide point equally between each group FWD/RWD/4X4 it would be fairer.

IE.. top 4 of each group gets points rather than top for of each dicipline.

The only chance a rwd car has in in the top speed and if that gets shortened it does play into 4x4 cars hands.

Think about it.. even the handling coarse is from a standing start and far smaller than a real track which is helping 4x4.

I really do enjoy doing this event but do think everything sways towards 1 group which is unfair as there are 3 groups competing (i think there should be a fourth group for kit cars but thats another story )


Heres hoping sense is seen and the event moves towards a more all round event

chris-m

rwd car won the handling last yr lee- lotus elise. there is a lotus team this yr too, exiges and elises. rwd car won the top speed, and obviously the fastest 1/4m car was a 4wd, so its hardly biased toward 4wd in each event?
there is also a 4th group already for the pro drag cars and also some specials, which are non road legal, and included 2 kit cars last year.
regards
chris

TiB

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This just emphasises my point to be honest..

The lotus that won didnt manage a good qtr or top speed if i recall which makes it not a good allrounder thus will never win? (but would do ok in the rwd group if each group had its own points awarded)

Rwd car may of won last year but wont if the distance is shortened. i'm not actually against the distance being shortened for safety issues as i feel its only a matter of time before an accident happens but the top speed i feel was rwd only real chance of points

COSSYGRANT223

i think its time we all pulled together and show these jap crap toys that the ford boys still have it even thow some of us might be under powered at least we were there lol and not braging we have 650 under the bonnet lol thats why i love ford cruises everyone is sound as a pound and there to have a good time

richard youll

there is another very valid point, how can us budjet ford owners compete against the heavily sponsered jap machines, i thought this competition was first introduced for the likes of us little people to getting some glory?
how many cars competed last year that were currently competing in time attack?? a fully backed motorsport race in its own right, not exactly fair to let fully blown race cars to enter is it, small rules make differences like full interior must be installed, not just a 'dashboard' , not only that valid mot's were to be shown at sign on , i'm a tester and would have failed many a car there for a whole range of reasons. totb is very very close to becoming as boring as f1, implement small rules that make a massive diffence, i.e no msa log booked cars, no cars to enter currently being used in motorsport, valid mot, tax, road fuel !!!!, full interior, that sounds more like a road car competition to me, let the likes of norris, rc developments, kieth cowie etc have a class of there own and bring back the days like totb1 ive only heard about it sounded a lot more fun and publicly competitive

Cossie Helen

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Its no where near as good as it was the first couple of years. Just my opinion on it.

chris-m

quite a lot of the non road legal cars (ie keith cowie, tim webster etc) went into the new Pro drag class D last year and more will do so this season. however the discussions on which cars fit which class etc is one that can run and run. 90% of the cars that came tho were private entry, not tuner cars, and thats how it usually pans out. its competititve for that reason, the best of the countrys cars take part not the more usual run of the mill you'd see at a rwyb day thats all.
anyway, thats a different discussion,please drop us an email if you do want to discuss the class setup etc. at the moment we do need the team reps to speak to competitors about the specific proposals on top speed distance and the drag finals so we can agree and implement any changes before march. cheers

richard youll

i never once said that they weren't private entry, it is a brill event but i'm sure i'm not the only one with these views, there is more excitement at a rwyb at pod because you see a lot more incredibly fast road cars in road car form. i competed last year and had an amazing time, i'd never been to watch before let alone enter, i loved it, however even though my car may be quick, there is no competition against the fully stripped out cars, let alone ones heavily sponsered, who cant gain all important seconds by stripping the nads out of thier road car, the point is though that it is a road car.

chris-m

fair point about road cars but many people do run road cars with stripped or part stripped interiors. you can run in msa sprints in road class with rear seat removed etc. its always a case of one mans definition of a road car. thats why we are slowly moving the full drag cars into class D, so the all round cars have more chance.

richard youll

this would be a good time for such improvement and clarity to made out of classes, road class, drag class, competition car class and finaly, production or home built kit car class, that alone would allow more idividual people to compete against like for like, then bring say the top 3 out of each class and drop the into the head to heads? however you work it totb is that big now many privateers with very hellishly quick cars never make any points and have no real point in entering in its current state a major re work of the classes will bring much more enjoyment to the competitors, will prob. bring more people in to compete and spectators will have a wider range to watch, if spread over 2 days due to the amount of entrants - sat for competitors only and sunday for spectators to watch the action?

mikee_rs

whats the qualiyfing times needed for fwd cars??

im sure with my new gearbox (picking up 2moro) and some decent tyres i can get mine down to a 12 sec 1/4

chris-m

at this time fwd qualifying is circa 13.5s 1/4m, or a proper set up car for handling or top speed. team rep will advise for fwd fords.

as for previous point, 2nd and 3rd place last yr overall were both privateers, there were only 9 or 10 genuine Tuner own cars entered in the event in total under a tuner name. the rest were all private owners cars, driven by the owner also.
regards

Lloyd

unfortunately in any form of motorsport it is usually the man with the most money or tuner support that will win, so dont go expecting to win,just have a good day out and some fun.

Lloyd

chris, you could make the handling part better by shortening the run up to the first corner,as a good time at the moment involves a good launch,and that suits the big power 4x4 cars.a nice short run into the first corner will make it more competative.

pocket_rocket

so if I decide I wanna have ago how do I go about it

chris-m

anyone can enter for the RS team, just drop the reps a mail, or us if any probs finding info and we will put you in contact
any non RS team entries just email us direct thanks

keithcowie

Ha ha

You can talk lol

Keith

Rod-Tarry

Their aint a Ford in the land that can compete at the brunt end of totb.
Forget 650, mine will have circa 1000bhp & still cant compete in any of the disciplines. Certainly would hold Joel now so could dent some Jap pride if the Topspeed was over 1.25 miles but it aint so mine stays at home its horses for courses.

chris-m

for those who have expressed an interest in competing the entry forms will be downloadable from 1st march, closing date is 3rd July for all entries.
team reps will as usual post up info etc about teams/practise days etc plus any updated information we can pass onto them.

pocket_rocket

out of interest, how much is it to get involved? I read somewhere its 100 quid

chris-m

its Ł100 for private entrants same as last season. price includes 2 entry tickets and a dvd, altho we are still awaiting this yrs dvd being duplicated, the producer is currently under treatment in hospital unfortunately.

Lloyd

bttt.

Stavros

Its a shame its not a standing mile, as thats the popular thing in the USA, which would give everyone something to compare with.

And may stop the RWDs moaning too of course

Lloyd

i was hoping the standing k would help some of the ford cars.