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Old 06-12-2011, 06:55 PM
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....picked up a 58 plate mid sized 115/350 transit today. to my shock and horror its limited to 62mph.
how do i derestrict/remove said limiter? what does it look like/where is the limiter?

ive got to admit, its quicker off the mark than my 60 plate merc sprinter 313 although that does power on upto 108. allegedly.
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its a plug in at ford thing



i think theres another way as mine went for a simple service in a local garage an it came back removed and they had no ford laptops but who knows
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Why cant you just leave it restricted tho ?
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Why cant you just leave it restricted tho ?


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it does mean you are less likly to get a pinch and it saves you fuel too, make a journey lag mind
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because travelling at a speedo reading of 62 (possible about 56 in real terms) is rediculously slow on the motorway.
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Life is not a rush
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perhaps, but id rather spend my time doing something else rather than sitting in my van doing 56mph in a 70.especially when i can clock up 1000 miles in a week.

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Old 06-12-2011, 07:31 PM
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dont know if there is anyother way of taking them off but we have to plug ids into them to remove it
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Originally Posted by little bram
dont know if there is anyother way of taking them off but we have to plug ids into them to remove it
how much would that cost to have done ?
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I think there is a bit of 'red tape' involved if an authorised Ford dealer removes the speed limiter on the newer vehicles. Seem to remember something about it from a course at Daventry.

I have done some on older Transits in the past and it doesn't take long to do on IDS (15mins or so from memory)

Haven't done one on current model Transit, might take longer than the older models if pump learn etc needs doing in the process.

Quick Google found this - http://www.vantuner.co.uk/limiter-removal/
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depending on what it's had done to it, sometimes it needs a reflash of the memory to remove the limiter and osmetimes you have to get a different ecu as you can't

you could always remove the speedo sensor wiring and see if that made a difference

but then you'd have no speedo and potentially no abs or traction control

i can feel your pain though, we had some vans, connects 110's that were very very quick indeed for what they were, easily able to break into 3 figures and that was essential on a european run, but the new ones are limited to 68 and when i hit that limiter first time out on the motorway i thought i'd broke it

but all our new vans are going to be fitted with limiters as it not not only lowers your fuel bills, it also lowers your insurance
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Originally Posted by GVK.
I think there is a bit of 'red tape' involved if an authorised Ford dealer removes the speed limiter on the newer vehicles. Seem to remember something about it from a course at Daventry.

I have done some on older Transits in the past and it doesn't take long to do on IDS (15mins or so from memory)

Haven't done one on current model Transit, might take longer than the older models if pump learn etc needs doing in the process.

Quick Google found this - http://www.vantuner.co.uk/limiter-removal/
van tuner is highly recommended by the chaps over on the transit forums

pop over and ask the question, it may have an easy/cheap answer

www.fordtransit.org
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never reflashed anyones ive done mate or renewed pcm's. you just get the van settings up and its a drop down box. sorry mate i couldnt tell you the cost i dont no what they charge i just get the job to do.
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theres a transit forum? fuck me , i bet thats a fun place
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Assuming the actual speed the ecu sees isnt critical for normal operation....

You can buy a little speed signal adjuster kit normally intended to recalibrate speedo's etc
You can adjust most pulsed signals up/down by 100% either way. You have to build it yourself, but even I managed that in a hour or two, and it even worked !

Ł20 or so posted from Jaycar in Aus.

It would fool the ecu into thinking the van is going slower than it is.

Go to

http://www.jaycarelectronics.co.uk/

and part number KC5435

Although if the ecu sees the speedo signal first and the ecu drives the instrument cluster, the above unit probably wont work very well.

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I think the later vehicles get the vehicle speed info from ABS via CAN.
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Originally Posted by little bram
never reflashed anyones ive done mate or renewed pcm's. you just get the van settings up and its a drop down box. sorry mate i couldnt tell you the cost i dont no what they charge i just get the job to do.
apparently vauxhall will do it to remove the limiters from the vivaro's but they cost a few hundred quid so the boss won't let them do it

if it's canbus like a lot of the newer fords, i'd assume it's the whole ecu gubbins that will need changing for a "free" removal but it'll be some sort of speed sensor input which iwll affect every other paramiter of the vehicles operation

i prefered it when it was an adjustable screw on the loud pedal
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Fuzzy if you're in Scotland -

http://www.moorfieldmotorservices.co...r_removal.html
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Fit some massive wheels?
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As said above.the van needs the ford computer putting on it to remove the limiter.
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these days with all of the complications of integrated electronics systems, it's too difficult for manufacturers to put speed limiters into the software so you'll find that it's done by simply putting a screw up through the floor so that your accelerator pedal doesn't go all the way down
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Our place charges an hour to either limit the speed or remove it, its a simple enough thing to do, just means uploading the vehicle configuration file to ids, modifying the file, then re-downloading it to the vehicle.
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Originally Posted by GVK.
i am indeed, ill give them a phone in the morning to suss it out. if its as quick and easy as they say in the add i should probably be able to find someone more local to do it.
kilmarnocks about 2 hours away from me but its a good starting point.
i remember when i got my first cosworth conversion done in my toyota, the garage tried to pull a fast one by screwing a block of rubber under the accelerator pedal to make sure i ran it in gently. i quickly spotted that one...

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thats Andy g place am sure
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Originally Posted by fuzzy
....picked up a 58 plate mid sized 115/350 transit today. to my shock and horror its limited to 62mph.
how do i derestrict/remove said limiter? what does it look like/where is the limiter?

ive got to admit, its quicker off the mark than my 60 plate merc sprinter 313 although that does power on upto 108. allegedly.
wouldnt be quicker than my 416 aero kitted sprinter
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do the new transits still have clutch /flywheel assemblies made of soft cheese?
" a ticking timebomb just waiting to explode after 1500 miles...." said the ford mechanic about the previous transit. i went through 4 transits in 3 months at one point. all with about 20000 miles on them.
and no i dont drive them hard.
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Where I work now we don't do many vans but when I worked in Worcester there was always a van in needing DMF!
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Originally Posted by masserah
wouldnt be quicker than my 416 aero kitted sprinter
is it faster than my grandads chipped iveco daily that hits 115 with 3ton in the back?
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just got back from driving a 200+ mile run. a limiter is dangerous. at 56 on the motorway its that slow your mind starts to wander and your looking out the side window at the scenery counting sheep. at one point i was reading the paper then done the crossword.i almost went for a nap whilst i was driving. looked up and i was still pottering at 56 with many miles to go . at least at 100+ your wide awake and your mind is sharp looking for traffic police and pensioners crossing the road.
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Did you give Andy G a shout about getting it removed ?
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