Cossie Toeing Out...help!
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Cossie Toeing Out...help!
Hi all,
My 4x4 saph has a standard rear beam and it's toeing out mental (same both sides). I had a look at another standard saph and it seemed fine. I know you can get a shim kit but i'm sure that wouldn't rectify the prob as it seems to be excessive.
I haven't got the funds to get an adjustable beam at present and have a track day in sept'. If i leave it as it is it'll be dangerous. The only reason i have just noticed it is because i did a high speed run the other day - when eased off it wanted to steer one way then the other from behind.
Has anybody had a similar issue??
Thanks,
Chris
My 4x4 saph has a standard rear beam and it's toeing out mental (same both sides). I had a look at another standard saph and it seemed fine. I know you can get a shim kit but i'm sure that wouldn't rectify the prob as it seems to be excessive.
I haven't got the funds to get an adjustable beam at present and have a track day in sept'. If i leave it as it is it'll be dangerous. The only reason i have just noticed it is because i did a high speed run the other day - when eased off it wanted to steer one way then the other from behind.
Has anybody had a similar issue??
Thanks,
Chris
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It's only an opinion, but I'd say that your beam, (or maybe your arms ) is bent.
I bought an imperial blue powder coated one off of ebay (got a 'great price, delivered' and swopped it over with the original on my car, with a view to getting it worked on for the toe and camber adjustment, a la' Adrenalin.
Didn't notice immediately, but my 'new' one gives;
On passenger side (uk) about 15 mins neg camber, and visible toe out.
On driver side, about 1' degree 7mins neg camber and measurable but not visible by eye toe out
Really pissed me off. If you hit the brakes like you need them, the tails trying to come round me. Bit of steering application and your alright, but would've liked it too brake straight like it used too...
I bought an imperial blue powder coated one off of ebay (got a 'great price, delivered' and swopped it over with the original on my car, with a view to getting it worked on for the toe and camber adjustment, a la' Adrenalin.
Didn't notice immediately, but my 'new' one gives;
On passenger side (uk) about 15 mins neg camber, and visible toe out.
On driver side, about 1' degree 7mins neg camber and measurable but not visible by eye toe out
Really pissed me off. If you hit the brakes like you need them, the tails trying to come round me. Bit of steering application and your alright, but would've liked it too brake straight like it used too...
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Hi all,
My 4x4 saph has a standard rear beam and it's toeing out mental (same both sides). I had a look at another standard saph and it seemed fine. I know you can get a shim kit but i'm sure that wouldn't rectify the prob as it seems to be excessive.
I haven't got the funds to get an adjustable beam at present and have a track day in sept'. If i leave it as it is it'll be dangerous. The only reason i have just noticed it is because i did a high speed run the other day - when eased off it wanted to steer one way then the other from behind.
Has anybody had a similar issue??
Thanks,
Chris
My 4x4 saph has a standard rear beam and it's toeing out mental (same both sides). I had a look at another standard saph and it seemed fine. I know you can get a shim kit but i'm sure that wouldn't rectify the prob as it seems to be excessive.
I haven't got the funds to get an adjustable beam at present and have a track day in sept'. If i leave it as it is it'll be dangerous. The only reason i have just noticed it is because i did a high speed run the other day - when eased off it wanted to steer one way then the other from behind.
Has anybody had a similar issue??
Thanks,
Chris
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It's only an opinion, but I'd say that your beam, (or maybe your arms ) is bent.
I bought an imperial blue powder coated one off of ebay (got a 'great price, delivered' and swopped it over with the original on my car, with a view to getting it worked on for the toe and camber adjustment, a la' Adrenalin.
Didn't notice immediately, but my 'new' one gives;
On passenger side (uk) about 15 mins neg camber, and visible toe out.
On driver side, about 1' degree 7mins neg camber and measurable but not visible by eye toe out
Really pissed me off. If you hit the brakes like you need them, the tails trying to come round me. Bit of steering application and your alright, but would've liked it too brake straight like it used too...
I bought an imperial blue powder coated one off of ebay (got a 'great price, delivered' and swopped it over with the original on my car, with a view to getting it worked on for the toe and camber adjustment, a la' Adrenalin.
Didn't notice immediately, but my 'new' one gives;
On passenger side (uk) about 15 mins neg camber, and visible toe out.
On driver side, about 1' degree 7mins neg camber and measurable but not visible by eye toe out
Really pissed me off. If you hit the brakes like you need them, the tails trying to come round me. Bit of steering application and your alright, but would've liked it too brake straight like it used too...
I know what u mean - i thought the same initially. I have inspected the beam closely and can't see any immediate obvious damage / bent. What confuses me is the fact it's toeing out exactly the same both sides, 3deg!
As you say, i have exactly the same thing when hitting the brakes
Cheers, Chris
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Hi Chris,
Yeah, it does seem odd unlikely that if it was bent, it'd be so evenly distributed both sides.
As Timster says, you need to get it to some one with decent 4 wheel alignment equipment, and a really good operator so he knows how to use it properly.
Do full check, with print outs so you can see what the score is.
Run out on the wheels then camber, toe and caster (for the front).
Knowing the cars foot print will help you diagnose it no end.
Let us know how you get on.
Justin
Yeah, it does seem odd unlikely that if it was bent, it'd be so evenly distributed both sides.
As Timster says, you need to get it to some one with decent 4 wheel alignment equipment, and a really good operator so he knows how to use it properly.
Do full check, with print outs so you can see what the score is.
Run out on the wheels then camber, toe and caster (for the front).
Knowing the cars foot print will help you diagnose it no end.
Let us know how you get on.
Justin
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Hi Chris,
Yeah, it does seem odd unlikely that if it was bent, it'd be so evenly distributed both sides.
As Timster says, you need to get it to some one with decent 4 wheel alignment equipment, and a really good operator so he knows how to use it properly.
Do full check, with print outs so you can see what the score is.
Run out on the wheels then camber, toe and caster (for the front).
Knowing the cars foot print will help you diagnose it no end.
Let us know how you get on.
Justin
Yeah, it does seem odd unlikely that if it was bent, it'd be so evenly distributed both sides.
As Timster says, you need to get it to some one with decent 4 wheel alignment equipment, and a really good operator so he knows how to use it properly.
Do full check, with print outs so you can see what the score is.
Run out on the wheels then camber, toe and caster (for the front).
Knowing the cars foot print will help you diagnose it no end.
Let us know how you get on.
Justin
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I assume you have a poly diff mount, as regardless of how well set the toe/camber etc is it will change constantly as the beam moves around on soggy std bushes.
If you want true stability get a 22mm rear arb and a poly diff mount, these can be had for as little as £25, ie a poly filled std one, just as good as a poly aftermarket one, and you know it fits 100% PERFECT, good one for the bufties too.
tabetha
If you want true stability get a 22mm rear arb and a poly diff mount, these can be had for as little as £25, ie a poly filled std one, just as good as a poly aftermarket one, and you know it fits 100% PERFECT, good one for the bufties too.
tabetha
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I assume you have a poly diff mount, as regardless of how well set the toe/camber etc is it will change constantly as the beam moves around on soggy std bushes.
If you want true stability get a 22mm rear arb and a poly diff mount, these can be had for as little as £25, ie a poly filled std one, just as good as a poly aftermarket one, and you know it fits 100% PERFECT, good one for the bufties too.
tabetha
If you want true stability get a 22mm rear arb and a poly diff mount, these can be had for as little as £25, ie a poly filled std one, just as good as a poly aftermarket one, and you know it fits 100% PERFECT, good one for the bufties too.
tabetha
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have you had your trailing arm bushes done , i had mine done changed to poly ones (not every ones favorite choice on here but they were only one's i could get a couple of years ago , think ggr do bearing type now) and my car sat much better visually . diff mount next on agenda when funds permit .
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