i got a kid and NO i dont see....... and im laid back about mine,,,, the missus is VERY VERY bad and clingy to her

 

a mate of mine who is a van dealer had a couple of the blue paddy vans direct from merseyside police, i took one out with a view to buy and was amazed it had a emergency hatch,wooden slatted seats still inside and plastic side windows and a rear interior light like in a police cell.
it sent shivers up me and we turned around and went straight back, it was featured on the telly all round the world with them two murderes in the back of and people banging and kicking it
heres a link to actual video of them in the van
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JK_TtG...eature=channel

 

One of the boys actually stays about 20 miles from here in a village where my dad lives... its common knowledge in the place. Amazes me nothings been done. Supposedly he just sits in the corner rocking back and forward all day cos council workers were in renewing parts of the house.....

If i could get a address for james bulgers mum id be happy to pass on the address of the scumball.

 

Ollie, I'm not sure sure about that. I was told by somebody I've know for over 5 years and run in a group of people on a Sunday morning. He's a Dr and we'd run long distances training for races etc.

Anyway we run along a road called Dark Lane and off to the hills there's a secret hospital (well not now) and he worked their. He told me this was where he worked and that he'd been working with the two boys for many years, he said this was something he didn't normally talk about to friends. The reason he told me was that there were both leaving his ward after being on for a number of years. He implied there were going to another country, no sooner had he told me this he said I don't know why I felt the need to tell you that. He still works at this place and never mentioned it again.

 

The mother should`ve been keeping an eye on her kid, there are alot of sickos out there. I personally don`t let my two owta my sight still when out (6 and 7), couldn`t live with myself if out like that happened to mine

 

Well i hope nothing ever happens to any of anyones children on here.

I will stand up and say i never take my eyes of my kids etc etc when we are out but im realistic. When it only takes 10 seconds it really isnt fair to blame the mother.

Maddie maybe as shes out jollying it up while her kids are locked away out of sight.

But not this one in my opinion.

 

nobody is blaiming the mother,,,, but you do have to take some form of responsability with a 2 year old

wasnt the little one on cctv outside a butchers shop on hes own,,,, so he wasnt lured away from the mum withing seconds but the mum lost him if i recall

my parents lost me once in a town centre,,, i was shit scared and remember it well.... i went back into the local cafe we always went to and waited for them

but my parents also let me walk to school on my own from the age of 7 and home on my own,,,, and my sister used to walk me to school when i was 5 and she was 7 and it was a good 1 mile walk too, my parents where VERY laied back about us, used to come home at 10 pm with no issues,,,, used to do night fishing from the age of 13 blah blah blah

but and this is the honest truth, they DID NOT pay enough attention to us and was too busy in there own world to worry about there kids

maybe this is why im different, my missus,,,, fuck knows what happened to her but shes MEGGA parranoid,,,,,, i remember when she wouldnt let her play in her own bedroom unless nikki was upstairs and she wont leave the bath room if Elise is in the bath incase she slips and downs,,,,, SHES 5 YEARS OLD TOO, WAY to over protective my missus is,,,,, wont let her use climbing frames in case she slips and hurts her self, wont let her play with big kids incase she is knocked down,,, i could go on for even longer how bad she is

 

I dont have kids, but I am part of a big family so have young cousin's and nephews, so when I do look after them or I am somewhere with them, you do keep an extra eye out for them. I do know that you can't sit all day staring at them or holding thier handsm kids want to see and do things or they'l get bored.

I am pretty certain Jamie Bulger's mum did not set out that day to let her kid get snatch by two sicko's,who themselves are only kids,10 seconds is not very long at all.

It's so easy to say you never let your kid(s) out of sight or reach, but how long does it take to switch off, your in a shop, shop keeper is talking to you, your doing something like chosing a item or putting a reciept away, tell me all that time you can honestly just concentrate on your kids.

 

i agree with lots of things youre saying but there are a lot of parents out there that are way to over protective and the childrem will probably resent it when they are older.

Not being able to hurt youreself even in the slightest way as a kid is not a good idea in my opinion.

They are going to get hurt emotionally, mentally and possible physically all there life and they need to be prepared for at least some of that as they prepare for school life.

Kids are mean and i dont want my kids to be little bullys but they need to be brave enough to stick up for themselves.
Somethings gp without sayin, my wife would never leave them in the bath, or ever take her eyes off them in a shopping centre.

But some of the things youre saying in my opinion are a bit Ott. My 2 year old absoloubtly loves climbing frames and all park equipment.

Kids need a certain amount of freedom and a certain amount of being aloud to experiment and grow up. In my opinion if you dont let them they will go underground and do it without you, If my kids were ever offered drugs by an older kid or alcohol or something i would expect them to come to me and say, dad the bigger kid offfered me this is it right or wrong.

If your to controlling they will just think youre going to tell them off and probably do it and not tell you.

There is no manual with kids thats for sure, and we all have our different ways but being too overprotective i beleive is a recipe for disaster.

 

what I did not know and what really shocked me, even now was the fact that they had planned to take a child earlier that day and push them under a bus.
The mother of the child heard them say shall we take one of these, it was admitted during the interviews as well.

Very sad day for society when children do such wicked things.
I am so so glad I just do not understand it all.

One thing that the documentary did not say though is that the mother of James knows where Robert Thompson now is and saw him in 2004
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle396629.ece

 

i agree shes too OTT, she even knows it but cant help it, kids need to fall over and get bruses,,, when she first went to school i remember someone bullying her,, i went down the school to have it out with the parent,,,,, thats when i realised she needs to stand up for herself and not have me do it all the time,,,,, ironically shes out childminder now as the 2 kids are now best mates,,,,, hows that for strange way to turn out ?

 

I think kids that are so sheltered during there childhood are "Possibly" ones that turn out a little "Strange"...........

You have to let your kids be kids......But also you have to look out for them.

(Just to let you know, i have 3 children....My Lad is 12, my eldest Girl is 8 and my little girl will be 6 next week.................)

 

As it was said in the program last night.....Them vans were sent out empty, as decoy vans.....While them murdering little fuckers were took away in cars.

Still eerriiee vans though.

Its like the Range Rover from the Essex boys murders. Once that was finished with by the police, it went through the auctions and a family bought it, They said it had a strange smell in the summertime. Since then it sat in a Farmers yard till it was tracked down by the team that made Rise of the foot Solider.
That was all spoke about in the "Rise of the foot solider" DVD extras

 

I'm glad Ginge has seen my point, and I feel Ginge's missus is not over the top what-so-ever. Hell, if my kid had a bruise nobody could account for I would be just as upset and angry as she was. The point I am making is Bootle Strand, the Shopping Centre he went missing in is one of the busiest I've been in. I accept that you can't keep your eye on your child 100% of the time, but like Ginge has said, physical grip, you can. So in my eyes in a sense you have always got your eye on him because the child is going nowhere.

Call me a Cunt all you like, that's just the typical PF mentallity. This is my opinion, and I'm sticking with it.

Benni.

 

I like you Benni but you are way over your head here!

I NEVER loose sight of my boys EVER when im out BUT you can get distracted and they do wander (to the toy section usually) that doesnt make you a bad person, im sure she wont forget taking her eyes off him as im sure she blames herself every waking day for not keeping a acloser eye on him all those years ago.

I would much rather twist the finger towards the 10 year olds parents Where the hell were they why they were torturing some poor innocent child!!!!

 

I know what you mean Mark, My 2 are nearly 10 and 6 as well... another 18months and my lad will be off to secondary school, so were having to let him have a bit of freedom and independance so he dont suddenly feel out of his depth (if you know what i mean?)

The mother of James Bulger will be suffering for the rest of her life with the moment she discovered he was gone....

As for the two "things" which did this horrific deed, one only hopes that one day, proper justice will be done, especially justice for Little James..

 

sassy you have MORE than one child to look after,,, that is a different case IMO as its much harder to keep a eye on 2 kids than one ( actually you got three aint you,,, if so fuck that )

the kids,,,,, well thats a obvious one aint it, little one was bullied and the other one was a missing sole both neglected by there parents and so no guidence about life,,, OBV they aint been told whats right and wrong either otherwise they would not have done it,,, we need to rememeber a 10 year old aint got a clue whats REALLY going on,,,,, its just a game to them

i know i sound like im on there side,,,, im not BUT i can see where it all went wrong,,,, any idiot can see that

btw the media made them out to be monsters so that we could feel better about our own lives,,, NO CHILD IS BORN BAD,,,,, children and the purest thing you can get,,,, its parent who dont assist them/teach them about life that are the ones who got it wrong

kids are still trying to understand things,,,,, some kids eat mud,,,,,, kids pull the legs of spiders and all sorts of strange things,,,,,, its no Evil but kids trying to understand things

 

If you look at the Camera footage his Mother is no-where to be seen. This is just my opinion, but I feel in a busy shopping Centre my kid would not wander at all. I just don't understand how a School boy can wander off with your Child? I do agree this is nothing in the Grand scheme of what happened, but it's how I feel. He was Two, remember.

Benni.

 

I only have 2 Ginge a 4 year old and a 6 year old, ive always let them have a certain amount of freedom, and they have (so far) turned out to be well mannered respectful children..

I didnt watch the program lastnight as i was at the kids Nativity and tbh i dont think i would want to see it, i get upset at things like that

 

they was fucking babies ffs,,,,, theres LOADS of muderers out there that live in the streets, people who reoffend abusing children, rapists ect ect ect,,,,, a grown adult abuses a small boy and gets given 2 years,,,,, can fuck a child up for life and the persong gets 2 years EVEN THOUGH ITS PROVEN TO BE SEXUAL PREFERENCE and not somone being bad

i know someone who done 5 years for manslaugter,,,, he was proper fucked in the head due finding hes brothers dead body in a staircase near to where he lives,,,, hes a normal person, got a job as a carpenter and got a 18 month old child,,, hes OLD nickname used to be "switch" due to hes temper/the things hes done

how can you say that people who serve this are dealt with ok YET a 10 year old boy should be punished for it for the rest of there lives,,,, its about rehab,,,, comming BACK to the comunity and slotting in

my mates cousin was murdered over a 1000 quid chain,,, he was shot 5 times., stabbed with a carving knife 47 times then hes body burned,,, the killers dad helped them move the body ffs

there MUCH worse people out there,,,, some we will never know about too

these kids have paied there debt,,,,, and no longer a threat and instead we should be concetraiting on helping other kids out there who need help

look at the parents of the kid round the corner from me that was abused till finally death,,,, the world is a sick place at times,,, but kids are not sick they just follow what they been taught IMO

 

sassy see having 2 kids is ALOT harder than one,,,unless you chain them together

also another thing you mention,, your kdis turning out to be well mannered,, im guessing that might be down to guzzler and you correcting them,,,,, simple things such as " dont chew with your mouth open", hand over your mouth when you cough", "sharing is caring", if someone is cring ask them what is wrong" ect ect ect

simple things you do with kids NOT THINKING ABOUT IT...... pon once said a comment ill ALWAYS quote to people now,,,,,"kids need to be brought up and not dragged up"..... or simething like that,,,, and its soo true

we are the reason what our kids turn out to be,,, the good things AND the bad things, teenagers are different though,,,, thats when they start indepenance and start to become there own person

 

i cant believe this, james mum is being questioned like this on here!! you sick fuckers!

its nice to think you got you eyes on your kids all the time, but the reality is you havent, it would only take a matter of seconds for the little one to be snatched! that could be the time it takes to reach up and grab something off a shelf! GONE

 

gareth i think you aint looking at it in stages,,,, do it like that and you may or maynot understand

the cctv dont show her in the picture, it shows a 2 year old outside a butchers shop on hes own,, then shows 2 young CHILDREN leading him off

i just doubt the " HE WAS SNATCHED IN SECONDS" part,,,, OBV nobody deserves that but thatss not the question

i could mention if its so easy to do why dont we know anyone whos lost there child in seconds being snatched..... i know ive got lost BY MY PARENTS NOT KEEPING A EYE ON ME letting me walk behind which is stupid

 

she was in the shop maybe she got her purse out of her bag and dropped his hand while she done this..
it was a matter of mins that he was taken out of the shopping centre how do you know she wasnt looking for him in the shop you would never expect a 2 year old to go upstairs and out the centre on his own

 

the cctv dont show the boys luring him at that point though, the show him on hes own then the NEXT camera shows the boys with him

i cant see how they managed to plan this though,,,,, that bit i find worrying in this

 

Thats strange warren... i was told by a few people from the village that its pretty common knowledge and it was all at separate times.

 

The programme said earlier someone had heard them say 'we'l take one of these' meaning kids to push into the road infront of a bus or car, the person who heard them thought they where going to be shoplifting. As it turns out they where on about kids.

 

but did they call him over to where they were on the stairs or something??
thing is we will never know what happened on that day for the little boy to go with them, maybe toys or sweets
most kids go to other kids and dont think nothing of it

 

i agree we willnever know,, so we are all gonna judge the situation based on own own experiences...... a 2 year old child,,, should have been inbetween your legs when getting out cash,,, hell i still do that now at times when i dont want her running off to other kids inthe playground as it stops making a scene

 

It wouldn't surprise me with this country if where paying for him to stay over here, interesting ether way as I'm sure he'll be under close watch. Maybe the rumors were that they left the country to take the spotlight off them, do you know which one is up your way?

I might ask him if he watched the program and see what he says, nice bloke he's worked with some other house hold names too.

 

Some of you are forgetting IT WAS 15 YEARS AGO! Times were very different and alot safer imo. Now-a-days you hear about stabbings, shootings, kid napping, etc so your alot more conscience.

15 years ago people would of been more trusting in society, so taking your eyes off a child for 10secs wouldn't be much imo, just this time it went wrong.

When I take my son out or my neice and nephew I always try to watch them, but its not always possible and Im paranoid! So how people say they watch their kids 100% how do you not walk into things??

 

Even if these murderers were 10 years old I find it crazy that people like them can get released, get new ID's then have a relationship or live next door to people without them knowing what they do and who they are. People like that will always be a risk IMO.



Interesting because many people seem to believe Robert Thompson (the other one) was moved to Ireland under the name Sean Walsh and has recently gone back inside for 15 years for murdering his girlfriend and attempting to kill her child. They look the same even 16 years on, he's 26 from the UK and arrived there around 2001 but hardly concrete, however the two mug shots even being at different angles their ears are the most similar thing, one more straight and one sticking out. Apparently he's admitted it to prison officers and the like also. Ireland and Scotland would make sense to keep them apart and surely they couldn't ship people to other countries off the isles new identity of not, could they? Lieing to people is one thing but countries?

Obviously nothing is allowed to be printed over here.

Article below:

http://www.kilkennypeople.ie/news/15...ler.1493266.jp

 

i see where some people are coming from on this thread, you try not to let kids out of your sight.

but how many people on here could honestly say they'd think there 2 year old son/daughter was at risk of being brutally tortured and murdered by 10 year olds??

you wouldent expect that sort of risk from 2 children so young.

but in all honesty the strand shopping centre where he went missing is about 15 minutes drive from me, it is full of horrible, baghead council estate fucking SKUM i would be keeping close eyes on my kids in there.

amazing how 2 CHILDREN can be so sick and twisted, wish they wouldent of got the name change etc.... they would of deserved everything they got the sick fuckers

 

[quote=Ginge !;3798520]they was fucking babies ffs,,,,, theres LOADS of muderers out there that live in the streets, people who reoffend abusing children, rapists ect ect ect,,,,, a grown adult abuses a small boy and gets given 2 years,,,,, can fuck a child up for life and the persong gets 2 years



in reply learn to spell mate and people might take the shit you speak a bit more seriously they have not paid there debt the mother will be fucked up for life her child is dead and they get 8 years and a new id.
they should have the same done to them as they did to the poor kid.
people get badly treated at home every where and watch horror movies and dont turn out to be child torturers there skum and death should be after a long term of torture, a bit of their own treatment.

 

this is a old post

 

[QUOTE=tgh45612;4672553]ironic that you a new member, with a "first" post, should pick on a long standing member about his spelling, when you can't spell yourself and there's not a comma in sight.

Now why did this raise its head again, a new member looking back to 11-12-2008 was it just to cause trouble?

 

HOW OLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

yeah its a dragged up old post but i never saw it after i posted my link off youtube,i just looked again and its been removed by the author,thats a bit strange really.
also its one subject thats very sensitive,i find loads of stuff on the internet thats from this site and even stuff i wrote and its funny to see stuff i wrote mentioned by other people on other sites,its then i think just how big this site is and its possible any one connected with the case and related could see stuff off here and feel the need to have their say, i never saw the bit about the irish killer thought to be thompson before so thats news to me.

 

Ones in Newcastle apparently

 

One worked in a shop in Doncaster APPARTNLY.

Who knows