500+hp Capri. but with one SMALL difference..
14-01-2012, 05:42 PM
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if the capri wont play ball i WILL put him back together. i will never leave it.
i meant a cut n shut as in cutting two of the same car in half and welding the two good bit back together to make one good one. that kinda cut n shut... (thats all i could see unless you got into kit car and what not) ?
i meant a cut n shut as in cutting two of the same car in half and welding the two good bit back together to make one good one. that kinda cut n shut... (thats all i could see unless you got into kit car and what not) ?
You're going up have to keep a hell of a lot of the Merc to make it actually work, unless you're prepared to fabricate a LOT of one off parts.
14-01-2012, 05:43 PM
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i love muttleys laff 
anyway, with the capri i think i had better keep everything until i know for sure that the body will go on like i hope it will. i do still need two new front wings cos one is old and battered from an accident still and the other is aftermarket and the arch lip has fallen off already after only 4 yrs
i will see if my cousin wants the engine etc for his cortina he has sat in his garage. if not that i will sell those bits. that leaf suspension aint worth saving though :/
i will only be using the outter skin (shell) of the capri. thats it. not even the bulkheads
anyway, with the capri i think i had better keep everything until i know for sure that the body will go on like i hope it will. i do still need two new front wings cos one is old and battered from an accident still and the other is aftermarket and the arch lip has fallen off already after only 4 yrs
i will see if my cousin wants the engine etc for his cortina he has sat in his garage. if not that i will sell those bits. that leaf suspension aint worth saving though :/i will only be using the outter skin (shell) of the capri. thats it. not even the bulkheads
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14-01-2012, 06:11 PM
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The outer skin (body panels) and the shell are different things, so I'm not sure what you mean. You make it sound like you're going to take all the panels off the Merc, and try and fit all the Capri panels on. If that's the case it's going to look ridiculous, and just be a repanelled Merc complete with obscene running costs and insurance surely? Or am I missing something?
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that is what im doing yes. but i will have to chop out a large amount between the front door pillar to the start of the rear bulkhead - one to match the merc wheelbase to the capri and two the sills of the merc are about 10/15cms too far out in comparison to the capri sills so ill ultimatly need to squeeze the belly of the merc on to match the capri. then all i gotta do is pull the capri wings and rear quarters or arches out like the xpack (? think thats the one?). so i will end up probably remaking an entirely new center floorplan i think..
i know the MPG will shoot up but i may even go LPG
then again this capri is crap on fuel too
i know the MPG will shoot up but i may even go LPG
then again this capri is crap on fuel too
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14-01-2012, 06:43 PM
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You've completely lost me! You can't just chop bits from one car and fit whole sections from another without a huge amount of time and skill. And (don't take this the wrong way) but judging by the filler work on your Capri you're not exactly skilled at bodywork!
14-01-2012, 06:46 PM
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thats finishing work mate, there is a big difference.. that and again, im only after quick fix temporary jobs at tarting up the outside..
anyway thats what will happen, thats the plan. my capri body on the merc underside
p.s. may i be an even bigger murderous bastard real soon kids! hahahaha
anyway thats what will happen, thats the plan. my capri body on the merc underside
p.s. may i be an even bigger murderous bastard real soon kids!
hahahaha
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14-01-2012, 06:55 PM
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I've found that life I needed.. It's HERE!!
just a thought, why not drive the merc limo?! kit the back out inside really trick, lights, tv, leopard print, bass bins all that! would be a good laugh!
14-01-2012, 06:56 PM
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As good as your intentions are i doubt it will ever look like a capri after you've sectioned every panel and are running different size glass
it will look like a kids drawn a car then some ones made it.
scrap the merc and spend the money on the capri before you scrap them both
it will look like a kids drawn a car then some ones made it.
scrap the merc and spend the money on the capri before you scrap them both
14-01-2012, 07:00 PM
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here's my advice
if you are dead keen on doing the job, and don't need the capri, and have several years to do the job properly then do the following:
totally strip the capri, i mean bare shell with nothing but doors, tail gate and bonnet on it but everything else is gone inside and underneath
remove the merc engine and box in one lump
slide merc lump and box under the capri and see what lumps and chops you need to take in order to fit the merc lump into the capri shell, making sure that the engine sits far enough back so as not to give it too much weight over the nose
then fit things back so that the engine stays in the capri
once this has been done you can then tackle the rest of the running gear and suspension
it won't be cheap
but don't chop the car into 3rd's, it will be suicide
if you are dead keen on doing the job, and don't need the capri, and have several years to do the job properly then do the following:
totally strip the capri, i mean bare shell with nothing but doors, tail gate and bonnet on it but everything else is gone inside and underneath
remove the merc engine and box in one lump
slide merc lump and box under the capri and see what lumps and chops you need to take in order to fit the merc lump into the capri shell, making sure that the engine sits far enough back so as not to give it too much weight over the nose
then fit things back so that the engine stays in the capri
once this has been done you can then tackle the rest of the running gear and suspension
it won't be cheap
but don't chop the car into 3rd's, it will be suicide
14-01-2012, 07:36 PM
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I wish you well with whatever you decide to do. But i dont think you have realised just how big a job you will be giving yourself, Massive is an understatement it would be a huge job for a pro to do. You may think that its is a good idea now and that you have a plan but when you have it cut into bits you will think otherwise. But this is only advice, you can do as you wish with it. Im only trying to save you chopping up your capri and never being able to use it again. But good luck anyway.
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Fair play to you and looks like your taking on a mammouth task,but after reading through what you have planned would you not be better off getting a capri with a rotten floor/chassis??
just going on what you have described the only original part you will need is the roof as your going to be modifying most of the other panels so doesn't matter to much if the bottoms are rotted out of the doors/1/4 panels as your going to have to fab alot of the panels
Just a thought as it looks like your capri is your baby as you seem to have had it a while,so rather than cutting it up and possibly hitting a problem and maybe never finishing it at least you'll still have your capri if all goes tits up
just going on what you have described the only original part you will need is the roof as your going to be modifying most of the other panels so doesn't matter to much if the bottoms are rotted out of the doors/1/4 panels as your going to have to fab alot of the panels
Just a thought as it looks like your capri is your baby as you seem to have had it a while,so rather than cutting it up and possibly hitting a problem and maybe never finishing it at least you'll still have your capri if all goes tits up
14-01-2012, 09:42 PM
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look at these links, then decide just how much you have bitten off
http://www.hotrodscustomstuff.com/ph...61-190-sl.html
http://www.mercedesheritage.com/2011...mercedes-bent/
http://www.topgear.com/uk/photos/mer...-sl-2011-10-13
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/mercede...l-ar99779.html
they reckon that they've put in at least 3,000 hours into the project, plus they know what they are doing
so you can now see the scale of what you are trying to attempt
http://www.hotrodscustomstuff.com/ph...61-190-sl.html
http://www.mercedesheritage.com/2011...mercedes-bent/
http://www.topgear.com/uk/photos/mer...-sl-2011-10-13
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/mercede...l-ar99779.html
they reckon that they've put in at least 3,000 hours into the project, plus they know what they are doing
so you can now see the scale of what you are trying to attempt
14-01-2012, 11:03 PM
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I speak from experience so listen......
When I was in my early 20's my mate bought a project Mk 1 Astra
We didn't have no Time served bodywork experience we were spanner monkeys, we had a plan to turn it into the most unique Mk 1 Astra ever built, we spent best part of 2/3 years pissing about with the shell but because we weren't specialist's it just ended up a waist of time with no end product.
we are talking Mk 2 Golf front end with wing ends (actually looked v good) Spoilers,vents,splitters moulded together from everything from Cavaliers, Rover 600's, Metro's,Mondeo's, Alfa's ect flared arches & G60 golf arch trims, TVR Tuscan Exhaust System ect ect ect all manor of weird stuff I've forgotten it was a long time ago!
We sweat blood and tears, we had a shit load of fun but in the end it was just going to end up like it did, scrap!
Your plan will not work without 5 figure investment and Pro Work
Sell that merc & Spend your time and effort making the Capri shell you have better and go to gigs & party and get laid, do anything other than try and fit those capri panels around that merc, You'll waste your time pissing about and be left with 2 totally fucked cars!!!!!
When I was in my early 20's my mate bought a project Mk 1 Astra
We didn't have no Time served bodywork experience we were spanner monkeys, we had a plan to turn it into the most unique Mk 1 Astra ever built, we spent best part of 2/3 years pissing about with the shell but because we weren't specialist's it just ended up a waist of time with no end product.
we are talking Mk 2 Golf front end with wing ends (actually looked v good) Spoilers,vents,splitters moulded together from everything from Cavaliers, Rover 600's, Metro's,Mondeo's, Alfa's ect flared arches & G60 golf arch trims, TVR Tuscan Exhaust System ect ect ect all manor of weird stuff I've forgotten it was a long time ago!
We sweat blood and tears, we had a shit load of fun but in the end it was just going to end up like it did, scrap!
Your plan will not work without 5 figure investment and Pro Work
Sell that merc & Spend your time and effort making the Capri shell you have better and go to gigs & party and get laid, do anything other than try and fit those capri panels around that merc, You'll waste your time pissing about and be left with 2 totally fucked cars!!!!!
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15-01-2012, 12:15 AM
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sorry for delay i was just dribbling over that nice man in BLADE3....ahem,
back to reality (almost )... yes. i always knew insurance would bite me in the ass constantly. i never seem to escape it even with the capri. BUT, i could think of this conversion as , a child, a husband and a mortgage all rolled into one! (stick a baby face onto the fuel filler cap and staple a mans face under the hood and do what matey said back there.. the ol' animal skins inside - thus making it feel better knowing where i am pouring my money into a massive bottomless pit that a project of such scale is ) might make me feel better when i come to insure, buy parts for etc... ? hmm. i just think it will be worth the hassle. even if i am the only one thinking that..? ittle be fine!
'daz' sorry but um, id rather run out of blood in my veins trying to pull this project off than give up and be devirginized (i have to say though i am disappointed you DIDNT go through with your project? how can someone have that big an idea and then it vanished just like that? dunno bout you but i was drawing and dreaming of my car since i was nay but a skidmark after the 'big push'.)
back to reality (almost
)... yes. i always knew insurance would bite me in the ass constantly. i never seem to escape it even with the capri. BUT, i could think of this conversion as , a child, a husband and a mortgage all rolled into one! (stick a baby face onto the fuel filler cap and staple a mans face under the hood and do what matey said back there.. the ol' animal skins inside - thus making it feel better knowing where i am pouring my money into a massive bottomless pit that a project of such scale is ) might make me feel better when i come to insure, buy parts for etc... ? hmm. i just think it will be worth the hassle. even if i am the only one thinking that..? ittle be fine! 'daz' sorry but um, id rather run out of blood in my veins trying to pull this project off than give up and be devirginized
(i have to say though i am disappointed you DIDNT go through with your project? how can someone have that big an idea and then it vanished just like that? dunno bout you but i was drawing and dreaming of my car since i was nay but a skidmark after the 'big push'.)
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anyway i saw something wierd one day and i (cant stand the car or colour or anything else) BUT i liked the 'sharp bits'. something someone actually had done interested me massively... at silverstone in '10 i think...? i will have a seamless smooth and properly painted finish when i have finished my own car.. when i pay someone else to do that bit for me! hehehe.
bearing in mind i dont have a clue what they made it out of.. could be a few things. but the fact it was close to what i like and yet legal still. i like the work ALOT.
bearing in mind i dont have a clue what they made it out of.. could be a few things. but the fact it was close to what i like and yet legal still. i like the work ALOT.
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to the last note... i COULD get another doner capri. but it wont be THIS capri. it wont be the same. i have to use THIS one. Cos he's mine.
15-01-2012, 10:03 AM
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Oh dear! What a dreamer!
If your serious about this your gonna hate yourself in a few years when your looking at a total un-road worthy bucket of shit.
What on earth is going on in your head?
Stay off the Ket!
If your serious about this your gonna hate yourself in a few years when your looking at a total un-road worthy bucket of shit.
What on earth is going on in your head?
Stay off the Ket!
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15-01-2012, 10:07 AM
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here's my advice
if you are dead keen on doing the job, and don't need the capri, and have several years to do the job properly then do the following:
totally strip the capri, i mean bare shell with nothing but doors, tail gate and bonnet on it but everything else is gone inside and underneath
remove the merc engine and box in one lump
slide merc lump and box under the capri and see what lumps and chops you need to take in order to fit the merc lump into the capri shell, making sure that the engine sits far enough back so as not to give it too much weight over the nose
then fit things back so that the engine stays in the capri
once this has been done you can then tackle the rest of the running gear and suspension
it won't be cheap
but don't chop the car into 3rd's, it will be suicide
if you are dead keen on doing the job, and don't need the capri, and have several years to do the job properly then do the following:
totally strip the capri, i mean bare shell with nothing but doors, tail gate and bonnet on it but everything else is gone inside and underneath
remove the merc engine and box in one lump
slide merc lump and box under the capri and see what lumps and chops you need to take in order to fit the merc lump into the capri shell, making sure that the engine sits far enough back so as not to give it too much weight over the nose
then fit things back so that the engine stays in the capri
once this has been done you can then tackle the rest of the running gear and suspension
it won't be cheap
but don't chop the car into 3rd's, it will be suicide
I wish you well with whatever you decide to do. But i dont think you have realised just how big a job you will be giving yourself, Massive is an understatement it would be a huge job for a pro to do. You may think that its is a good idea now and that you have a plan but when you have it cut into bits you will think otherwise. But this is only advice, you can do as you wish with it. Im only trying to save you chopping up your capri and never being able to use it again. But good luck anyway.
Fair play to you and looks like your taking on a mammouth task,but after reading through what you have planned would you not be better off getting a capri with a rotten floor/chassis??
just going on what you have described the only original part you will need is the roof as your going to be modifying most of the other panels so doesn't matter to much if the bottoms are rotted out of the doors/1/4 panels as your going to have to fab alot of the panels
Just a thought as it looks like your capri is your baby as you seem to have had it a while,so rather than cutting it up and possibly hitting a problem and maybe never finishing it at least you'll still have your capri if all goes tits up
just going on what you have described the only original part you will need is the roof as your going to be modifying most of the other panels so doesn't matter to much if the bottoms are rotted out of the doors/1/4 panels as your going to have to fab alot of the panels
Just a thought as it looks like your capri is your baby as you seem to have had it a while,so rather than cutting it up and possibly hitting a problem and maybe never finishing it at least you'll still have your capri if all goes tits up
look at these links, then decide just how much you have bitten off
http://www.hotrodscustomstuff.com/ph...61-190-sl.html
http://www.mercedesheritage.com/2011...mercedes-bent/
http://www.topgear.com/uk/photos/mer...-sl-2011-10-13
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/mercede...l-ar99779.html
they reckon that they've put in at least 3,000 hours into the project, plus they know what they are doing
so you can now see the scale of what you are trying to attempt
http://www.hotrodscustomstuff.com/ph...61-190-sl.html
http://www.mercedesheritage.com/2011...mercedes-bent/
http://www.topgear.com/uk/photos/mer...-sl-2011-10-13
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/mercede...l-ar99779.html
they reckon that they've put in at least 3,000 hours into the project, plus they know what they are doing
so you can now see the scale of what you are trying to attempt
I speak from experience so listen......
When I was in my early 20's my mate bought a project Mk 1 Astra
We didn't have no Time served bodywork experience we were spanner monkeys, we had a plan to turn it into the most unique Mk 1 Astra ever built, we spent best part of 2/3 years pissing about with the shell but because we weren't specialist's it just ended up a waist of time with no end product.
we are talking Mk 2 Golf front end with wing ends (actually looked v good) Spoilers,vents,splitters moulded together from everything from Cavaliers, Rover 600's, Metro's,Mondeo's, Alfa's ect flared arches & G60 golf arch trims, TVR Tuscan Exhaust System ect ect ect all manor of weird stuff I've forgotten it was a long time ago!
We sweat blood and tears, we had a shit load of fun but in the end it was just going to end up like it did, scrap!
Your plan will not work without 5 figure investment and Pro Work
Sell that merc & Spend your time and effort making the Capri shell you have better and go to gigs & party and get laid, do anything other than try and fit those capri panels around that merc, You'll waste your time pissing about and be left with 2 totally fucked cars!!!!!
When I was in my early 20's my mate bought a project Mk 1 Astra
We didn't have no Time served bodywork experience we were spanner monkeys, we had a plan to turn it into the most unique Mk 1 Astra ever built, we spent best part of 2/3 years pissing about with the shell but because we weren't specialist's it just ended up a waist of time with no end product.
we are talking Mk 2 Golf front end with wing ends (actually looked v good) Spoilers,vents,splitters moulded together from everything from Cavaliers, Rover 600's, Metro's,Mondeo's, Alfa's ect flared arches & G60 golf arch trims, TVR Tuscan Exhaust System ect ect ect all manor of weird stuff I've forgotten it was a long time ago!
We sweat blood and tears, we had a shit load of fun but in the end it was just going to end up like it did, scrap!
Your plan will not work without 5 figure investment and Pro Work
Sell that merc & Spend your time and effort making the Capri shell you have better and go to gigs & party and get laid, do anything other than try and fit those capri panels around that merc, You'll waste your time pissing about and be left with 2 totally fucked cars!!!!!
I'll put my 2p worth in.
Listen to these guys.
I'm not going to slate the idea, project or the car. Its your car, you drive it and its your money. You can do what ever you like to it.
When this kind of project is undertaken you need to know your stuff.
You are talking about cutting the car into 3 pieces and stretching the body.
You will lose the structural strength, you will have lots of body flex and if your involved in an accident you will end up killing yourself or some innocent person.
I understand why you want to use the merc floor pan but the proportions are all wrong.
You can't use the merc floor pan and stretch the capri
Use the capri base and use the parts from the merc, retro fit all parts from the merc onto the capri.
Reasons for this;
Better finish
better drive
You will have better structural integrity
AND it will be safer.
Down side is you are going to need custom parts, bits and bobs made.
Good luck with the project but please don't bodge it as you will start gambling with your life and other peoples.
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ill make sure the structural integrity is right thats why god invented 'braces'! i will brace sections as i go along so in theory i should have no trouble 'alighning' and keeping the right geometry of the bottom of the merc and the sections of capri. i just have to plan the braces right so i can still slot certain bits together AND cut sections of the merc out at the same time.
what can i say im a gambler!
and who in hell is MO?!
thats why god invented 'braces'! i will brace sections as i go along so in theory i should have no trouble 'alighning' and keeping the right geometry of the bottom of the merc and the sections of capri. i just have to plan the braces right so i can still slot certain bits together AND cut sections of the merc out at the same time. what can i say im a gambler!
and who in hell is MO?!
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ill make sure the structural integrity is right thats why god invented 'braces'! i will brace sections as i go along so in theory i should have no trouble 'alighning' and keeping the right geometry of the bottom of the merc and the sections of capri. i just have to plan the braces right so i can still slot certain bits together AND cut sections of the merc out at the same time.
what can i say im a gambler!
and who in hell is MO?!
thats why god invented 'braces'! i will brace sections as i go along so in theory i should have no trouble 'alighning' and keeping the right geometry of the bottom of the merc and the sections of capri. i just have to plan the braces right so i can still slot certain bits together AND cut sections of the merc out at the same time. what can i say im a gambler!
and who in hell is MO?!
The lines MUST be exact otherwise it will not be driveable.
After all of this is done the car will also have to be q plated too, all of the work will have to be inspected to conform with current regs.
You will need an engineers report to notify he dvla of changes made.
There is a hell of a lot of red tape when it comes to these things.
Just do me 1 thing. Phone the local vosa centre, tell them what you are doing.
A cut n shut is 2 cars welded together, your talking about cutting the car into 3 and adding another vehicle into the mix.
You really need to check the legal side of things unless this is going to be a track/off road car.
No point doing all this work if you can't drive it on the road.
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there is a point if i cant legaly drive it - i still want it . besides i wonder how scrapheap challenge did that moving roadshow where the contestants HAD to have legal machines? back to the body, yes a jig and stuff would be good but i can always make my own type of jig.. my thoughts to get the center of the merc right was to make two massive 'sliders' so i could cut the center floor and sills out then simply slide the two halves to where i need to and then go from there in making the shorter floor and sills, while pulling in the width of the sills. then i can make an external type of frame or 'jig' to hold the bottom from any bowing or movement while i remove the 'sliders'. the capri is the peice o piss to reinforce...
. besides i wonder how scrapheap challenge did that moving roadshow where the contestants HAD to have legal machines? back to the body, yes a jig and stuff would be good but i can always make my own type of jig.. my thoughts to get the center of the merc right was to make two massive 'sliders' so i could cut the center floor and sills out then simply slide the two halves to where i need to and then go from there in making the shorter floor and sills, while pulling in the width of the sills. then i can make an external type of frame or 'jig' to hold the bottom from any bowing or movement while i remove the 'sliders'. the capri is the peice o piss to reinforce...
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when it comes to the capri i may make a tall frame with winches/pulleys on to hold the roof etc while i fart about tacking it into the right positions
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