BEEFY'S s1 cos- tues 1-5-2012 Project now for sale , breaking -
13-12-2010, 08:52 PM
#2087
update as of tonight ,
well they say you got to break a few eggs to make an omlette
well were breaking lol
so what you do to a freshly made cradle ?
yup
center tubes too wide as weve moved the legs in , no danger
center lines were marked thru car so we know where to fit ,
getting the diff in was a mare , poor design by ford if its made from a gen design , how the wrc boys quick changed it ill never know !!!
main spars 20mm to narrow to slide in diff with flanges
ohh well
resulted in having to put diff in at an angle and twisting it , a pain and the top mount brackets were super tight ,
had to dyna file bout 2 mm of either side of the diff casing but finally managed to get it in ,
put on the removeable top mount,.................... holes slightly off
no drama , not too keen on how it sits as its the lowest section on the cradle now so were going to modify it ,
more on that tomorrow
so offerd it to where it needed to be , and little clearance was needed to the floor
spesh not fucking about
1 hole
where it needed to be
clearance we needed - bout half a tube
how it sits on the box section ,
centered
rember the bits we chopped off ?
well there going to be refitted to the tube they were cut from but at a 90 degree angle to the tube like so , fully coped and welded
the front tubes for the link arms will need to be modded aswell , due to being designed for an escos which is wider than a mk 3 and coupled with the fact weve tubbed the rear and fit fat tyres were going to have to move the the cnc'd blocks further down the tubes there attached to as the link arms will foul the inner edge of the tyre/wheel
obv we wont know till hubs are done and posted , and we mock it all up but hopefully it wont be enough to upset the geometry , were guesstimating arount 40-50 mm
i had written all this out in more detail , but as i updated the signal went on the broadband ,
and i cant be chewed with a full re write tbh
tomorrow were going to machine up a few bosses on the lathe at a mates for the mounts , and get it welded in position ,
couple of hicups but hey ho , these are the things you get wanting to be diffrent ,
will update tomorrow
beef & k
well they say you got to break a few eggs to make an omlette
well were breaking lol
so what you do to a freshly made cradle ?
yup
center tubes too wide as weve moved the legs in , no danger
center lines were marked thru car so we know where to fit ,
getting the diff in was a mare , poor design by ford if its made from a gen design , how the wrc boys quick changed it ill never know !!!
main spars 20mm to narrow to slide in diff with flanges
ohh well
resulted in having to put diff in at an angle and twisting it , a pain and the top mount brackets were super tight ,
had to dyna file bout 2 mm of either side of the diff casing but finally managed to get it in ,
put on the removeable top mount,.................... holes slightly off
no drama , not too keen on how it sits as its the lowest section on the cradle now so were going to modify it ,
more on that tomorrow so offerd it to where it needed to be , and little clearance was needed to the floor
spesh not fucking about
1 hole
where it needed to be
clearance we needed - bout half a tube
how it sits on the box section ,
centered
rember the bits we chopped off ?
well there going to be refitted to the tube they were cut from but at a 90 degree angle to the tube like so , fully coped and welded
the front tubes for the link arms will need to be modded aswell , due to being designed for an escos which is wider than a mk 3 and coupled with the fact weve tubbed the rear and fit fat tyres were going to have to move the the cnc'd blocks further down the tubes there attached to as the link arms will foul the inner edge of the tyre/wheel
obv we wont know till hubs are done and posted , and we mock it all up but hopefully it wont be enough to upset the geometry , were guesstimating arount 40-50 mm
i had written all this out in more detail , but as i updated the signal went on the broadband ,
and i cant be chewed with a full re write tbh
tomorrow were going to machine up a few bosses on the lathe at a mates for the mounts , and get it welded in position ,
couple of hicups but hey ho , these are the things you get wanting to be diffrent ,
will update tomorrow
beef & k
13-12-2010, 09:11 PM
#2093
lol so you waited for the rear cradle to be finished spot on then you cut it to bits
Its all trial and error i suppose if you haven't done it before but that's why experienced firms charge so much for this kind of work, but they too had to learn somewhere.
I do think the whole rear cradle set up your using is a tad complicated compared to how Andrew done my fiesta though, plus it will weigh a lot more than my set up too although i am sure you have your own reasons for going down that route,
Heres the fiesta rear diff and wrc based set up, all from t45 and the diff can be easily removed with flanges and even shafts still attached, also being tied directly into the shell and cage its as strong as its ever going to get.
I am loving the progress on the car though mate, you and K are really getting stuck in and its amazing how quick its starting to take shape, nice work
Its all trial and error i suppose if you haven't done it before but that's why experienced firms charge so much for this kind of work, but they too had to learn somewhere.
I do think the whole rear cradle set up your using is a tad complicated compared to how Andrew done my fiesta though, plus it will weigh a lot more than my set up too although i am sure you have your own reasons for going down that route,
Heres the fiesta rear diff and wrc based set up, all from t45 and the diff can be easily removed with flanges and even shafts still attached, also being tied directly into the shell and cage its as strong as its ever going to get.
I am loving the progress on the car though mate, you and K are really getting stuck in and its amazing how quick its starting to take shape, nice work
Last edited by M K; 13-12-2010 at 09:13 PM.
13-12-2010, 09:37 PM
#2095
yes mate , bosses welded to the box sections boxes to the car , and strut brace with two down tubes to the central mount
lol so you waited for the rear cradle to be finished spot on then you cut it to bits
Its all trial and error i suppose if you haven't done it before but that's why experienced firms charge so much for this kind of work, but they too had to learn somewhere.
I do think the whole rear cradle set up your using is a tad complicated compared to how Andrew done my fiesta though, plus it will weigh a lot more than my set up too although i am sure you have your own reasons for going down that route,
Heres the fiesta rear diff and wrc based set up, all from t45 and the diff can be easily removed with flanges and even shafts still attached, also being tied directly into the shell and cage its as strong as its ever going to get.
I am loving the progress on the car though mate, you and K are really getting stuck in and its amazing how quick its starting to take shape, nice work
Its all trial and error i suppose if you haven't done it before but that's why experienced firms charge so much for this kind of work, but they too had to learn somewhere.
I do think the whole rear cradle set up your using is a tad complicated compared to how Andrew done my fiesta though, plus it will weigh a lot more than my set up too although i am sure you have your own reasons for going down that route,
Heres the fiesta rear diff and wrc based set up, all from t45 and the diff can be easily removed with flanges and even shafts still attached, also being tied directly into the shell and cage its as strong as its ever going to get.
I am loving the progress on the car though mate, you and K are really getting stuck in and its amazing how quick its starting to take shape, nice work
the issues aint that major tbh , would of had as much modding as say fitting a 200sx rear end or sumthing ,
i knew the mid tube would need cutting before i collected it , unfortunately mark had already made up the section and rather than slow things up with him having to do it , we made the call to sort it outselves
14-12-2010, 08:27 AM
#2101
[quote=-beefy-;5236653]update as of tonight ,
well they say you got to break a few eggs to make an omlette
well were breaking lol
so what you do to a freshly made cradle ?
yup
center tubes too wide as weve moved the legs in , no danger
center lines were marked thru car so we know where to fit ,
getting the diff in was a mare , poor design by ford if its made from a gen design , how the wrc boys quick changed it ill never know !!!
main spars 20mm to narrow to slide in diff with flanges
ohh well
resulted in having to put diff in at an angle and twisting it , a pain and the top mount brackets were super tight ,
had to dyna file bout 2 mm of either side of the diff casing but finally managed to get it in ,
put on the removeable top mount,.................... holes slightly off
no drama , not too keen on how it sits as its the lowest section on the cradle now so were going to modify it , more on that tomorrow
so offerd it to where it needed to be , and little clearance was needed to the floor
spesh not fucking about
1 hole
where it needed to be
clearance we needed - bout half a tube
how it sits on the box section ,
centered
rember the bits we chopped off ?
well there going to be refitted to the tube they were cut from but at a 90 degree angle to the tube like so , fully coped and welded
the front tubes for the link arms will need to be modded aswell , due to being designed for an escos which is wider than a mk 3 and coupled with the fact weve tubbed the rear and fit fat tyres were going to have to move the the cnc'd blocks further down the tubes there attached to as the link arms will foul the inner edge of the tyre/wheel
obv we wont know till hubs are done and posted , and we mock it all up but hopefully it wont be enough to upset the geometry , were guesstimating arount 40-50 mm
i had written all this out in more detail , but as i updated the signal went on the broadband ,
and i cant be chewed with a full re write tbh
tomorrow were going to machine up a few bosses on the lathe at a mates for the mounts , and get it welded in position ,
couple of hicups but hey ho , these are the things you get wanting to be diffrent ,
will update tomorrow
beef & k[/quote
Dont forget this cradle was desiged for a 9inch diff ,which flange to flange are narrower coz they run 2 long shafts unlike a 7i/2 which has one longer than the other.i personaly wouldnt have cut the cradle or mod front points stick to modding one thing ie shell ,the cradle was jigged of a brand new genuine wrc one ,execpt for lower link pickups ,with the wheels your wanting to run lots of rear dish to get under arches you might have problems with rear steering arms ,you will probaly have to make something when you get your wheels etc on
well they say you got to break a few eggs to make an omlette
well were breaking lol
so what you do to a freshly made cradle ?
yup
center tubes too wide as weve moved the legs in , no danger
center lines were marked thru car so we know where to fit ,
getting the diff in was a mare , poor design by ford if its made from a gen design , how the wrc boys quick changed it ill never know !!!
main spars 20mm to narrow to slide in diff with flanges
ohh well
resulted in having to put diff in at an angle and twisting it , a pain and the top mount brackets were super tight ,
had to dyna file bout 2 mm of either side of the diff casing but finally managed to get it in ,
put on the removeable top mount,.................... holes slightly off
no drama , not too keen on how it sits as its the lowest section on the cradle now so were going to modify it ,
more on that tomorrow so offerd it to where it needed to be , and little clearance was needed to the floor
spesh not fucking about
1 hole
where it needed to be
clearance we needed - bout half a tube
how it sits on the box section ,
centered
rember the bits we chopped off ?
well there going to be refitted to the tube they were cut from but at a 90 degree angle to the tube like so , fully coped and welded
the front tubes for the link arms will need to be modded aswell , due to being designed for an escos which is wider than a mk 3 and coupled with the fact weve tubbed the rear and fit fat tyres were going to have to move the the cnc'd blocks further down the tubes there attached to as the link arms will foul the inner edge of the tyre/wheel
obv we wont know till hubs are done and posted , and we mock it all up but hopefully it wont be enough to upset the geometry , were guesstimating arount 40-50 mm
i had written all this out in more detail , but as i updated the signal went on the broadband ,
and i cant be chewed with a full re write tbh
tomorrow were going to machine up a few bosses on the lathe at a mates for the mounts , and get it welded in position ,
couple of hicups but hey ho , these are the things you get wanting to be diffrent ,
will update tomorrow
beef & k[/quote
Dont forget this cradle was desiged for a 9inch diff ,which flange to flange are narrower coz they run 2 long shafts unlike a 7i/2 which has one longer than the other.i personaly wouldnt have cut the cradle or mod front points stick to modding one thing ie shell ,the cradle was jigged of a brand new genuine wrc one ,execpt for lower link pickups ,with the wheels your wanting to run lots of rear dish to get under arches you might have problems with rear steering arms ,you will probaly have to make something when you get your wheels etc on
14-12-2010, 08:12 PM
#2103
[quote=MK MOTORSPORT;5237021]
totally forgot about that mark , tbh now we've slimmed down the diff casing its not that bad , more than happy with it ,
modding the center tube wasnt a big deal , that was due to us adding tubs , and wouldnt be nessacary if we hadnt done them
ill explain a bit more in the following update but the front link mounts are staying ,
still think it will be totally fine with the hubs ect , the rose joints have a fair angle to travel on them,
either way im more than happy with the cradel , it along with everything else just needed slight mods as it was never designed for the car ,
NOT FOR SALE MATE
update to follow peeps
beef
Dont forget this cradle was desiged for a 9inch diff ,which flange to flange are narrower coz they run 2 long shafts unlike a 7i/2 which has one longer than the other.i personaly wouldnt have cut the cradle or mod front points stick to modding one thing ie shell ,the cradle was jigged of a brand new genuine wrc one ,execpt for lower link pickups ,with the wheels your wanting to run lots of rear dish to get under arches you might have problems with rear steering arms ,you will probaly have to make something when you get your wheels etc on
totally forgot about that mark , tbh now we've slimmed down the diff casing its not that bad , more than happy with it ,
modding the center tube wasnt a big deal , that was due to us adding tubs , and wouldnt be nessacary if we hadnt done them
ill explain a bit more in the following update but the front link mounts are staying ,
still think it will be totally fine with the hubs ect , the rose joints have a fair angle to travel on them,
either way im more than happy with the cradel , it along with everything else just needed slight mods as it was never designed for the car ,
NOT FOR SALE MATE
update to follow peeps
beef
14-12-2010, 08:22 PM
#2104
[quote=-beefy-;5238068]
totally forgot about that mark , tbh now we've slimmed down the diff casing its not that bad , more than happy with it ,
modding the center tube wasnt a big deal , that was due to us adding tubs , and wouldnt be nessacary if we hadnt done them
ill explain a bit more in the following update but the front link mounts are staying ,
still think it will be totally fine with the hubs ect , the rose joints have a fair angle to travel on them,
either way im more than happy with the cradel , it along with everything else just needed slight mods as it was never designed for the car ,
NOT FOR SALE MATE
update to follow peeps
beef
ok mate glad you got it sorted
mark
totally forgot about that mark , tbh now we've slimmed down the diff casing its not that bad , more than happy with it ,
modding the center tube wasnt a big deal , that was due to us adding tubs , and wouldnt be nessacary if we hadnt done them
ill explain a bit more in the following update but the front link mounts are staying ,
still think it will be totally fine with the hubs ect , the rose joints have a fair angle to travel on them,
either way im more than happy with the cradel , it along with everything else just needed slight mods as it was never designed for the car ,
NOT FOR SALE MATE
update to follow peeps
beef
mark
14-12-2010, 08:38 PM
#2105
ok folks tonights update
had to nip out this morn and collect my conrods , more on them in a bit
anyway whilst out , me n k picked up some solid mild steel bar and popped up to automark , marks a diamond and was willing to let up play on the lathe
so , k got on with turning up some bosses ,
karl was a lil rusty on it lol , having not used one since his apprentiship days lol . but we got there in the end lol
anyway
got back home and squared the box section up with the cradel , once we had it set and alligned in position , the bosses were marked and sunk into the box
they were sunk to act as crush tubes for the bolts ,and they should be alot stronger ,
cradel was then sat on and checked again , then both box and bosses tacked in
and clears the rear diff mount
k got on welding them in ,
artsy pic lol
and in
the front box was then set in place on the shell , and the cut off mounts from the mid tube offerd on ,
as you can see a little short , but fear not
a section of genuine m sport wrc/grp a tube was sourced from the steel pile lol
hummmmmmmmm LIKE A GLOVE !!!
it was then coped by k and after a small boss was tacked on and then is the mount
ohh karls jack arm is now about 4 inches shorter lol
hows it looking beef ?????
ITS GOOD !!!!!
how the boxes looked with the diff off
car on its side
they were then fully welded in @ the ends and stitch welded to the floor
so with that done , the diffs been removed to allow easy manouvering of the cradel
the front arms and cnc blocks will be left on the cradel as is , going to wait till the hubs are sorted and set it all up and then work out or wheels ect , and if needed we may have to add two brackets mid way down the tube to re position the link arm , obv we wont know till its all here , but this means the front pickups for the cradel can be finished and the floor done as any subsequent mods would just be adding a cpl brackets to the tube
also , got a txt off me old buddy jp , said my front turret rings were ready
two lazer cut rings
perfect fit for the stock turret
and yes mr ronnie amis , i have a pair here for you , pm me your addy and ill bosh them in the post
so how the cradel now looks with the mount mods
ohh and cpl pics of my rods, had them fitted with new little ends
back at work again tomorrow which is a result ,
more to follow this week ,
karl and beef ,
had to nip out this morn and collect my conrods , more on them in a bit
anyway whilst out , me n k picked up some solid mild steel bar and popped up to automark , marks a diamond and was willing to let up play on the lathe
so , k got on with turning up some bosses ,
karl was a lil rusty on it lol , having not used one since his apprentiship days lol . but we got there in the end lol
anyway
got back home and squared the box section up with the cradel , once we had it set and alligned in position , the bosses were marked and sunk into the box
they were sunk to act as crush tubes for the bolts ,and they should be alot stronger ,
cradel was then sat on and checked again , then both box and bosses tacked in
and clears the rear diff mount
k got on welding them in ,
artsy pic lol
and in
the front box was then set in place on the shell , and the cut off mounts from the mid tube offerd on ,
as you can see a little short , but fear not
a section of genuine m sport wrc/grp a tube was sourced from the steel pile lol
hummmmmmmmm LIKE A GLOVE !!!
it was then coped by k and after a small boss was tacked on and then is the mount
ohh karls jack arm is now about 4 inches shorter lol
hows it looking beef ?????
ITS GOOD !!!!!
how the boxes looked with the diff off
car on its side
they were then fully welded in @ the ends and stitch welded to the floor
so with that done , the diffs been removed to allow easy manouvering of the cradel
the front arms and cnc blocks will be left on the cradel as is , going to wait till the hubs are sorted and set it all up and then work out or wheels ect , and if needed we may have to add two brackets mid way down the tube to re position the link arm , obv we wont know till its all here , but this means the front pickups for the cradel can be finished and the floor done as any subsequent mods would just be adding a cpl brackets to the tube
also , got a txt off me old buddy jp , said my front turret rings were ready
two lazer cut rings
perfect fit for the stock turret
and yes mr ronnie amis , i have a pair here for you , pm me your addy and ill bosh them in the post
so how the cradel now looks with the mount mods
ohh and cpl pics of my rods, had them fitted with new little ends
back at work again tomorrow
which is a result , more to follow this week ,
karl and beef ,
14-12-2010, 09:55 PM
#2111
no cage , full interior lol ,
been a really good day tbh , plenty of laughing joking and singing along to some right old classics lol
just how it should be , and we got a fair bit done ,
karls jumping on with some more bits tomorrow , slight mod to a front section of the floor and a hole or two to fill , some seat mount strengthers to fit , theres the rings to weld on , and im sure he will look at how were going to platform the front cradel mounts , we already go an idea in mind , so thats a result !
been a really good day tbh , plenty of laughing joking and singing along to some right old classics lol
just how it should be , and we got a fair bit done ,
karls jumping on with some more bits tomorrow , slight mod to a front section of the floor and a hole or two to fill , some seat mount strengthers to fit , theres the rings to weld on , and im sure he will look at how were going to platform the front cradel mounts , we already go an idea in mind , so thats a result !
14-12-2010, 10:00 PM
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