sbd16v

when i fitted my eccentric top mounts to my astra i found a very disconcering problem when i tightened them because they were a little bigger than the standard ones and flat (standard ones are slightly curved) i found that the top mount was pulling the ''shell'' down to meet the mount instead of the mount into the car and seeing as this is a big point for adjusting camber/caster on the astra i felt this was a very bad idea


this is the best pic i have showing this (its a crap pic but you can see how it has been pulled down)

we came up with an idea to machine a plate cut the top of the front mount off and replace it with the machined plate that would also be flat,we could then gusset that plate for the rollcage to be linked into the strut tops giving it a very very rigid mounting point on the front for the rollcage

so here are the pics

JonnyBravo

fookin hell Rob

Are you going rallying in this or something

Some serious strength your putting into the everything

Richie.

iTrader: (5)

No, he's just planning on eating more pies

Seriously Rob its coming on well Once mines finished i'll help you out no probs

frog

Looking good, well, it will after a lick of paint

Good luck for TOTB

sbd16v

well the paint is going to be coats of hamerite i am afraid cannot aford to be spending money on not essential things

but aint like its a buffty car so dont really matter

cannot make my mind up at the moment about stickering up te car

Red16

fantastic work, love it

sbd16v

well i just had a call to tell me i have just been sent the last of the pics because this is the final work he is doing on it as he started at the rear and is now on the final work on the front





cannot say how happy i am about the work that has been done

Tas662

Looks good! Good luck

JonnyBravo

Great stuff Rob ,

Really looking good now.

please please please though find some money to get it painted properly !

It really would look finished if you painted the bay and interior

m.d.

rattle cans of smoothright will work much much better than brush painting it,

Staffi

iTrader: (1)

Looking good fella

m.d.

just re-read thro these posts and found this.

can i ask what part of this seam welded shell is rally prepared. just stitching up the seams does not even touch the sides of a rally prepped shell,

this is no dig at you two but that is just giving people a false impression of the car,

sbd16v

sorry matt i know my car is a piece of shit

while your at it why dont you tell everyone what you think about th modifations i have done and how they are not going to do anything to the handling of the car and i am wastig my time ??????

sbd16v

and can you please give me a list of the mods carryed out to the mk2 astra rally car as that is the closed i can think of to compair it to

m.d.

there you go again, someone givess you a little criticism about your car and you get all upset and start trying to defend it, pathetic mate,

i have a few mates who acctually do competative motorsport and rallying, they saw your shell and told me what a joke it is saying that its a rally prepped shell,

then i saw your over the top mods on a cirten boy racer forrum that you like to try to impress people on, i gave some advice and you also get all shitty and upset that im not sayin..... amazing, wow, your my hero, etc

what seems to be the problem,

m.d.

oh and what is THE astra rally cay?????

surely there are hundreds of rally cars, there is not 1 that is gospel, if there was it would be used all the time everywhere, and besides, astras, infact most vauxhalls hadle like shit anyway, thats why i now own a ford,

sbd16v

very childish showing your mates someone else's car to take the piss out off imo

sbd16v

THE group a rally car that vauxhall used in the early 90's


also if there are so many diffent ways of preping a rally car why is mine so wrong ????

Anonymous

Rob bought the shell from someone who bought it as a new motorsport shell and prepped it for rallying, different gearbox mounting types to allow quicker removal between stages and seam welding and stuff like that, all just the basic stuff people do to prep a good clubman rally shell

What on earth is your basis for saying otherwise M.D?

What prep do "your mates" think that a shell should have for rallying that robs doesnt have ?

rs nutta

im liking that cage, whats it made from

m.d.

a rally shell should have gusseting around chassis legs to bulkhead, all suspension mounts normally are strengthened on the shell to take the larger impacts of rallying,
engine mounts are not just stitched but plated and fully welded,
the shell should have mounts for sump guards etc, and uprated tow eyes,
any fuel cels, lines, and fillers must be firewalled from the drivers cab.
there are hundreds of things that seperate a seam welded shell to a propper rally preped shell,

i never showed the post or pics to anyone by the way, they saw it, knew i posted on here and told me what they thaught,

at the end of the day, if you dont like criticism dont post up the pics on a public forum,
i apreciate cars for what they are, and i would normally praise everything you have done, but you have shown me on several occasions that you believe yourself to be better than everyone else, so therefore i shal treat your mods and posts with that in mind

Anonymous

<- real tears.


Yeah those mounts look like they could just fall apart at any moment



And most of the other things you are slating it for not having like lines through the cars, well although not every single line like the brakes as there is no need on a car that isnt going to be getting impacts to the underside, it did have the fuel lines going through the car anyway, but thats NOT shell mods, thats part of building the car itself up he bought the prepped shell with no lines on it anyway, so if they werent there they couldnt possibly have been located anywhere really could they?!

The previous owner did the following:
bought the motorsport spec shell brand new
prepped it for clubman rallying (tarmac i would guess)

sold the shell to Rob.


The fact you think that possibly in some circumstances other mods are sometimes done too doesnt change the very simple fact that the shell WAS prepped for rallying, and hence is a rally prepped shell, it wasnt prepped to WRC standards or anything, but its certainly not just a normal road shell with a few bits of seam welding like for some weird reason you seem desperate to try and convince people it is?

You really are just picking fault purely for the sake of it, and as proven on the boy racer forum you mention where you went on and on about it for six pages its not actually out of any pleasant reason like trying to help, its purely for petty reasons that you yourself admitted to like you got all offended when he didnt want your advice on how to make it a quarter mile car (for the simple reason its NOT one, thats just something he does with it for a bit of fun, he has never at any point had the intention of building it as a quarter mile car or it would be 100ks lighter for a start!)

Now why dont you just toddle off back to your own thread rather than just pointlessly bitch and nitpick for the sake of it?

Especially as the irony is that you own car is just a snotty old shell slapped full of filler and painted orange, so its not even like you actually practice any of the stuff you are trying to preach anyway?
If you wont listen to yourself then what on earth makes you think that someone else will? especially when this isnt in a section of the forum where people even post for help and advice in the first place, its in a section where people inform others of progress, if you want to help out with your "expert" advice to people then why not pop into the help section of the forum and do so?

sbd16v

ok i would just like to show you a couple of pictures








now that looks very much to me like all the suspension point apart from the lower arms are now strenghtened


now


in this pic i will explain what your looking at and why this is the back of the lower arm mount from inside the car but why can we see it you ask ???

because when vauxhall was using the mk2 astra for its rally days that found that the captive bolts that were enclosed (like all other mk2 astra's) were prone to failing and in a fast working enviroment they were cross threading the bolts so they used to cut out the original rear mount and weld in a box section so the rear of the mount could be bolted in place this made it easyer to change and alot stronger.


now you might not have seen this before either but the front gearbox mount also has captive nuts and for the same reason they used to cut a hole in the side of the chassis rail and replace it with a SOLID block with 2 holes drilled throw it this mean 2 things

a) it was stronger because of no captive bolts that were undone time and time again

b) because they used to put 15 inch bolts in there so they could undo the bolts and that whould drop the engine down on the gearbox side so they could change the gear cluster inside the box without removing it or needing to support the engine

pic of said mount thts fitted to my car





it also has the back gearbox mount uprated in the same way so it has normal bolts not the captive nuts incase they fail but i dont have any pics

sbd16v

this is the spec on my fuel cell and because of its constuction does NOT need to be seam welded (not like this matters anyway as we were having a discution about the cell not the fuel cell anyway)

Seamless cross-linked polyethylene inner shell

20 gauge steel red powder coated outer container

Mil Spec B-83054 aviation foam filled

45 degree cast filler, with spring loaded flapper valve

Mil Spec anodized AN-8 pickup and tip valve vent

Pickup hose routed to right rear corner

sbd16v

and there you go you sum it up yourself you dont think there is anything wrong with the way i have preped my car


you just dont like me

you sad little cock

Red16

to be honest i cant see why m.d. has a problem with the car

its not a full on rally car anyway, its meant for track and fast road int it, so the strengthening youve carried out so far will be more than up to the job i reckon

are you triangulating the cage with the front strut tops?

are your windows perspex / polycarb ? and where did you get them ?

cracking little car even if it is a Vaux

m.d.

so why say it is, that is my problem, maybe i have just got a problem with the guy, but with good reson, if you look at any of my relpies on here i praise everyone for what they are doing, no matter what the job, but when someone is like, "i have the best astra in the country" and when i try to give advise they just say "i think i know how to make a fast astra" and just blatently ignore my advise then they are not going to get an easy ride from me,

i admit this astra is dam fast, even if i dont agree with how he is doing things, im going to cool off a little with my replies to this post and another post he has made on a plymouth boy racer forrum, i just want to see how it comes out now to be honnest

Munch

top job, now put the rest of the pics on SC

Anonymous

TRANSLATION

m.d.

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaa


off ya go and play with the burberry hats building pointless cars, and ill just sit here with many others and laugh at you.

lol sein as tho you have decided to show the maturity of my 7 year old nephew i just thaught of a little roll play. enjoy.

chip:- eeeeer ive got a fookin noverrr wiv a massive motor in im, its aboot 600000bhp
m.d.:- what a waste of time
chip:- its goin to be fookin mentow, fater dan ure dads sri cav too, i recon ill do a lengf of da carpark in 2 seconds. and itll go round da bendz better dan a go cart especially wen i lobb the injin just in front of da front wheels.
m.d. :- but wont it understeer all over the place
chip. :- fook off, i nows more dan you fookin everrr will, you fookin startin cont,
m.d.:- sigh....................

must take you ages putting all your posts thro a translator to bring them back to english so you look clever,

Anonymous

MD, here is the nova that you think will UNDERSTEER on the power

Oh the fucking irony of it.

Its RWD you tool, LMAO




By the way, that cruise forum you seem to think im something of a regular on, you have more than a dozen times as many posts on there than i do

JonnyBravo

Nice to see a pic of your nova again chip ....................



















Now go and get that engine built and fitted

Anonymous

Johnboy, its got a LET in it already mate, have a look in total vauxhall this month for some pics of my nova

m.d.

waaaaahahaha, you even lowered yourself to put the car in total vauxhall,

not seen more than 1 a good car in there for ages so i stopped buying it,

and i wasnt referring to that nova, just picked a car out of the sky and took the piss out of your mentality,


all piss taking and slating asside, and im being serious now,

what acctual motorsport positions etc acheavements you have gained,
even the silly little ones, if i have to have some then so do you,

and the reason i have never won anything, oh that will be because ive never entered anything,
mainly because i cannot afford to,
secondly because i hate all the legalities and paperwork etc that you get with most motorsport events, im not interested in auto tests as i see them just of a way to damage your car for no real gain,
12 car road rallys have too mush thinking involved, i just want to drive,
and ive never built a car (also due to funding) untill now for hillclimbing so ive never done that either,
finally ive only been playing with my own cars properly for about 4 years, before that i was more into driving my self and bike to DH rases and playing about on trails that we used to spend all day building,

trevCOSS

iTrader: (6)

Rob, Looking good mate, glad to see some evidence of progress after all the talking you need to get yourself in gear now and get on with everything thats needed, hopefully you will get it to a standard you are happy with this time, its certainly coming along, I was thinking perhaps you and your dad should go into structural engineering It is perhaps a bit ott for your application but nothing wrong with the belt and braces approach, if its done properly and to your satisfaction you know it wont break or need doing again. It will be ineteresting to see how this car progresses and mabe I can get a ride in it one day??

sbd16v

matt i ahve said alot of things in my time BUT i have never never never said its the best astra in the world and you know that

i have said its the fastest up the 1/4 yes but i only say this because as far as i am aware it is



you say that i ignored your advice

lets go back your advice to me was to stiffen the rear suspension and jack it up at the rear to which i said i think i know how to make one fast

and imo that coment was not over the top because i have a very very fast one

so basicaly you dont like me because you told me some advice that i DID NOT ignore but was something i already knew

JonnyBravo

Nice one Chip, had seen the very small pic of it, looked more like a workbench tbh though lol

Rob mate, only thing I have to say is.........................




You know

sbd16v

thank you trev and i thought you were only into buffty fords

yes mate sure i can take you for a spin sometime

trevCOSS

iTrader: (6)

Oi Dont knock Buffty the scooby slayer. Like most real enthusiasts I am interested in all intersting car related things (performance) even shonky astras.

Richie.

iTrader: (5)

Trev can offer you some great 'proven' knowledge on any cosmetic bufty horsepower upgrades