Robert_Cox

got a FRS with a blufin installed. its runnning 250bhp now but if i wanna do more to it will the blufin software be compatible? a friend said its only good up to 300 bhp then its useless. to be honest, hes not the most knowledgabel but i thought id question it ne way.

GTi-R23

I thought Bluefin was just basically a generic re-map in a box?

If you're doing the supporting mods to aim for 300bhp, personally I'd be looking at getting a custom map for the mods you're doing, rather than an 'off the shelf' job.

Others will be able to advise better than me though.

Robert_Cox

if i were to go for a custom map, is the blufin re-sellable or returnable? i begrudge tuning further if my bluefin has to go in the bin???

morph

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As above superchips are ARSEHOLES when it comes to reseting bluefin aka can of tuna(rsoc copyright)
Bluefin is shite if you going to run 300bhp!
you need a proper remapp done on the car through things like DS or AMD who will remap the car for the mods not have a generic map like bluefin. Had bluefin on mine, ditched it as it was a beginners thing, then went to dream science mapped by rick wood and what a difference it made! the whole car was transformed including the igntion curve which was so much better to drive with when the turbo was off boost. the fueling was so much better, bluefin runs rich! the power was much more useable as well.
with bluefin my car made 260 with a remap it made 290 and the mods were manifold, dc-cat, stainless exhaust, kn induction, forge actuator(even though that is not needed as its too strong) best thing was the torque went from 270ilbs to 350ilbs so imagine the difference of how it felt like on the road.

pete mcrash

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lol........my pal baz (focus rs just won the gold cup again) just ran a 397bhp on his bluefin..........(setting 4 on his boost controll).....but the cars runs a very solid 340 on the road on setting 3 on his blitz controller

THEDMAN

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I know also of a FRS in the Northwest that ran 396 bhp on a standard bluefin map on a hybrid turbo at 24 psi in order that standard injector duty cycles could go be measured maxxed out and the limit of the fuel pump.

There is plenty running over 300 bhp on the standard turbo at 21 psi and 360 bhp at 21 psi on hybrids.

morph

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now just imagine if those were actually remapped instead of a generic map!

morph

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and how close is the standard turbo to its limits at 21psi?

THEDMAN

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Nowhere near!

I would say I am one of 20-30 people on the RSOC Board running standard turbo's @ 21psi via forge actuators.

Direct or still using the amal with the blue or yellow spring!

Your choice, depending on how you like the turbo to come in!

Robert_Cox

but if i do decide to go down the route of a proper re map is my bluefin re-sellable or re-useable? i wouldnt go for a generic map again. it just makes more sense for a custom map and set up.

morph

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these 20-30 peeps running 21psi, are they all hitting 300bhp then? doubt it even close to that!
Peaking and holding at 21psi is completly different mate. Focus rs will peak to 21 even 23psi but drop to 17/18psi ,because the standard turbo can't cope with the flow rate! go and have a look at what your gauge holds at and it wont hold 21psi, so when i say the standard turbo is at its limits @21psi i mean holding 21psi as it can't!

morph

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speak to rickwood, jamsport, SCC or TOTD about focus rs tuning and most will say cutom mapping, with a bigger turbo, mani, sports cat that makes a genuine 300bhp not a boyracer 300!

H15 FSC

THere are lads on rsoc that have ditched the custom maps for AE map and bluefin, I had 315 bhp on std turbo holding 19 peaking 22 psi it holds better with a manifold, and have seen 376bhp on bluefin with hybrid

GAFFA

I had DS live map by Ric Woods and got rid of it cause it was 5HITE ,

I now have bluefin which delivers the power loads better than DS , and is quicker aswell

Also Im one of 20-30 people on the RSOC Board running standard turbo's @ 22psi via forge actuators direct running 300bhp

Doncarlyon

Yous lot are pretty funny... bluefin is shite for 300bhp, etc... what a load of b0llocks.

Bluefin is more than capable of running 350bhp +

It can handle hybrid turbos and plenty of boost!!! No problem at all!

But if you want a custom map, off ya pop... waste your money lol!

series1rscars

I put a efi boost vavle & a peco big bore 4 back box on my purple gay chariot, and it makes 678 BHP & 1003 lb ft, and my dad is gayer than your so there

RS RYE

You clearly are talkin out your aRSe

Im also one of the 20-30 ppl running 21/22PSI and mine does NOT drop to 17 PSI at all ! its peaks at 22 and holds 20. Also, most of these ppl are ABOVE 300bhp not below !!

The standard Turbo is fine with the power, and can hold its own...

As said, ppl are running close to 400bhp on these cars, and Bluefin with AE is more than capable of handling and exceeding 300 bhp its proven on the majority of the FRS in the RSOC

series1rscars

My ways cheaper though, and makes the numbers....trust me Im a pooofda

morph

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Care to share how 'its proven' other than some person saying it is?
i had a focus rs with de-cat, manifold, bluefin and forge acutator and best it could make was 276bhp trying to hold 21psi which it could not do the slightest.
don't forget most focus rs's are now approcahing 6-7 years old so i'd like to know how a standard tiny turbo can hold 20psi by only peaking at 22psi? show us a graph, video, any realistic evidence!

morph

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ROFL!
generic map better than a live map? all these mappers out there - you doing things wrong go listen to this guy and buy a bluefin unit! LOL

morph

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until you have driven a car with the same power and live mapped you wont know how crude your generic crap is!

RS RYE

Well thats pathetic, what type of spring did you have in the actuator and what manifold ??? ALSO who set up the actuator ??????????? Was it running Direct or via solenoid ??????

As per your request, im sure once the word gets out on your lack of knowledge on the FRS some ppl will be happy to educate you on the so called 'tiny turbo, you think is weak and cant run more than 2psi' by posting up a graph etc...

Good things come to those who wait......

morph

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mate you should of added a bluefin tuna can with an AE to give you 1000bhp all across the rev range

morph

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so i take it you have 'F' all evidence? just as i thought!
when you are trying to state facts try to make then believeable! a standard focus rs turbo unit runs at 11 -12psi? and you think 2 psi more = 21psi? where did you learn maths?
a turbo charger designed to run at 12-15psi will struggle to keep at 21psi or does that not make common sense and you have been brainwashed that badly?
if you think your cars 300bhp then come to our next rolling road day and prove what you say!

RS RYE

Oh no, I have my graphs etc at home.. but no scanner, so thats why im saying someone will post one up soon ! Ive seen quite a few graphs of FRS and your gunna eat your words, believe me!

Also, I like the way you have dodge'd my previous question...... ??????????????????????

THE MAD RKH

There u go then, all standard turbo's running various power/torque with 1 peaking at 26 psi



The best place for this info is the FRS section of the RSOC, get over there and get all your questions answered

Doncarlyon

Mine is on standard manifold and holds 20psi all day long!!!

morph

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these graphs are the biggest joke i have ever seen!
lets make heads and tails of these:
a standard focus rs is 212bhp but some how the graph shows a standard focus rs make 235bhp and 250ilbs torque! so its either not standard or the rollers are out by 22bhp!
none of the graphs show boost curve so are they showing holding boost or peaking boost?
some have impressive figures but how long will it be before that tiny wee turbo gives up?
Which rollers were used? how hot or cold was the day? what was the baro pressure all these things make a massive difference!

RS RYE

There you go homeboy, graph which show some of the RSOC lads FRS figures

Also, if you had of read my post correctly it states -

As per your request, im sure once the word gets out on your lack of knowledge on the FRS some ppl will be happy to educate you on the so called 'tiny turbo, you think is weak and cant run more than 2psi' by posting up a graph etc...

It was exadurating your post by saying you think these turbo's cant run more than 2psi, NOT running another +2psi you fool. I think it is you who needs to go back to school, but not for maths... more like plain old 3-5yrs old reading lesson

Doncarlyon

morph, dont be so negative just coz yours wont hold boost lol!!!!!

Doncarlyon

Us FRS lads have had enough rolling road time to know what they will and wont do

RS RYE

Each engine is different, Ford didnt exactly go through every FRS to tweek it to exactly 212 bhp

Mine was r/r standard at 218bhp and then done again later in in the afternoon with just AE & TUNA @ 240

THE MAD RKH

Sorry, forgot to mention that the Standard Car in these graphs was running the AE basemap AF basemap has the FRS running at about 212bhp but many of the cars did not have this exact figure from the factory, they varied by as much as 30 bhp

Gaz 88

my original frs was 228bhp standard!

THE MAD RKH

Also, yes I know all the things you have listed make a difference so why you asking for graphs when you're just gonna say 'well, what about all these things and.... the rollers must have been out' and such :doh:

You've got all these lads saying that many cars run 300 bhp on standard turbo. But you for some reason u think they're all blagging!!! If you not gonna believe peeps, what's the point in going on a forum in the 1st place??!!

natehall

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I may be way past the ball here but every Dyno graph I have seen doesnt use MS excel to plot the graphs

shall I make a power graph on excell for my slightly modded 2.0 DOHC at 900 bhp from 0rpm - 10,000 Rpm? as thats impossible.

Doncarlyon

That graph was plotted out on excel to compare various setups and how much power they made... a comparison!

series1rscars

Easy mad Richy, you nearly stained your Yfronts....go for the big bore 4 & efi boost vavle...these nothern monkeys are full of tuna mayo....can cause a misfire...I know my peanuts me

series1rscars

add my figures Lee.... or cant you handle the SSM power

Doncarlyon

Heres one for ya... see if you can work this out seen as you know your stuff lol