Mr S1

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Right, I’ve been more than patient so now it’s time to name and shame.

In May last year, I saw a set of used rims for sale here on PF. They are 16’ RS7’s which as we all know are rocking horse shit, so I contacted the seller TIMTURBO via PM. My obvious concern was making sure they were straight, I knew they were in need of a refurb which was no problem, as long as they were straight. I asked the question point blank as you can see:

'l'll give you £225, I'll collect and pay cash - no messing about. I'm near Heathrow so not a million miles away. All I want you to do is confirm none of them ain't square !

On 20th May at 5.58pm I received this from him:

‘yes there all straight 2 will need refurbing because the lacquer has peeled but other than that just a bit dirty’

OK, fine I can deal with that, so a deal was done and I arranged to collect them on Saturday week. On the agreed date, off I set to Croydon to go and buy the rims. Visually they were exactly as I expected them to be, Tim seemed like a nice fella and myself, him and his brother had a 20 minute chat outside in the sunshine and off I went.

Week later I take the rims to a tyre place I’ve used for years, know the guys well and they’ve always looked after me. They said yeh, no problem, when our wheel man comes round in the week he’ll take them, sort them out and bring them back done. I await for the call which brings bad news – 2 of the rims are as bent as a corkscrew and can’t be salvaged. I was pissed off, but thought ‘hey-ho’ I’ll have a word with Tim. When I told him, he was genuinely shocked which was fair comment as he wouldn’t have known, so I said we need to sort something out. He said was I sure, which again was fair enough so I said no problem, I’ll get them looked at somewhere else which I did and was told the same. Working on the probability that 2 places won’t tell me porkies I’m now as sure as I can be they’re of no use.

Tell Tim and say we need to sort something out as I’m £225 out of pocket and got nothing but a bent set of rims to show for my troubles. Tim said he bought them off a mate in need of a refurb and then tried to get his money back from him. OK, fair enough so I gave him some time.

And that’s all I’ve been giving him since.

I’ve tried being the nice fella, and giving him 10 (ten) months to sort something out I feel I’ve been more than reasonable. The fact he can’t get his money back from his mate isn’t my problem – I didn’t buy them from his mate, I bought them from him. If you buy a pair of shoes with a hole in you take them back where you bought them don’t you ? I even offered to do a deal on the 17’ RS7’s he had for sale (I’d put some more cash into the deal and take those) but they were sold, so I even offered him an ‘out’ on a set of rims that I didn’t really want but knew I could get my money back on !! I know when you buy used stuff it isn’t perfect but I clearly asked him if they were fit for purpose which he confirmed they are – and they aren’t. So what use are they to me ? Bit too big to be used as paperweights aren’t they ?

I went back to the address where he lives (no answer) after telling him if he didn’t play the game that’s what I’d do. He didn’t like that but my view was that was where they came from so that’s where I’ll go back to. And all I’ve been getting is the hard luck story since. I sent him a final PM earlier in the week, and he was online last night and never replied so I’m done with it all. I know it’s only £225 but it’s the principle so now his mum is going to start getting solicitors letters arriving at her house and he can explain to her why and what he did to start getting them. Small Claims Court here I come. I have every single PM that I sent to him and every single reply he sent me, so can back all this up.

I think another little visit is now in order as well. I’ve got no beef with any of his family and Tim tells me he now lives down by the coast somewhere so if he can afford to move out he can afford to give me my £225 back but is pleading poverty all the time. I wouldn’t mind but he hasn’t even offered anything, £20 a month say. Nothing. Well, I told him I wasn’t going to take this lying down and I’m still not. I know it’s been a year and maybe I shouldn’t have left it that long, but me being a nice fella and preferring to give someone the benefit of the doubt shows how patient I’ve been. As most who know me will testify I’m not the most patient man on the face of the planet at the best of times, but now my good nature is being abused. And in case anyone thinks I’ve sorted it and sold them on, here they are in my garden today (as they have been since way back into last year) and taking root:

Mark 3D

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Im sorry to hear about this m8.

But i hope some of these problems poor Mr S1 is having explains at least one of the reasons why the rule for Goldmembers not being allowed to sell goods on behalf of non Gold Members and non Members of Passionford was introduced.


Hope you and Tim manage to sort something though.

dojj

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wheels are always a tricky one

hope you get it sorted

Captain500rs

Dont want to sound off here but when ya buy something second hand they dont come wiv a warranty,think its a risk you take buying anything second hand. hope you get something sorted tho. If he never used them he was not to know they were buckled

Mr S1

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I agree, and have acknowledged that in the first post - hence why I've given him time to try and sort it his end (10 months of time !) Fact remains though they aren't fit for purpose - used or not - and I bought them from him, not his mate so his mate is his problem.

Captain500rs

Ya could make a nice table out them tho for the summer lol

bigal1978

can u show a pic of the damaged area then ?

Mr S1

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There's no visible damage mate - the rims are distorted so they won't even fit on a lathe to refurb them.

lloydwillard132

yes all that you have said is fairlyu true but buying somthink second hand you take the chance of it working out thats why you generally buy cheaper in some cases.if you was unsure of condition you should of got him to bring them to you with out tyres on.so all in all its partly your fault for not checking them well enough before parting with your moneyits like going to a shop buying short dated food and then gooing back and sayin i would like money back as they taste wierd.not shops fault

TurboShed

Short dated food is cheap because it's short dated, not because it's gonna taste bad.

My wheels were bought second hand off a user here, and if they had turned up bent I'd have posted about it too. I think Mr S1 has been as nice about it as could have been expected. If the goods are crap then it's the seller who needs to deal with it.

I do a lot of eBaying. If the buyer ain't happy, I take the goods back, or send them their money. When you decide to earn some money selling something, you are choosing to take on a responsibility.

Benni

What's all this about taking chances? If the seller has said they aren't bent, then that should be the end of it. If the seller said he wasn't sure, you could take the chance and hope they was ok, at a cheap price. He's not took a chance, he's took another mans word. Which should be enough.

Benni.

-beefy-

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yeah its not good to hear things like this ,

as stu knows you got to go on what the seller says , i hope the wheels ill sold you are ok bud ,

id never think of fucking someone over , personally i wouldnt of left it so long got more patience than i have lol


thanks again for the fonecall fella ,

beef

dojj

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to be fair, the guy selling them could have offered to get them spun up at the buyer costs and, if they were fucked, then all he's lost is the cost of getting kiwk fit to spin them up rather than potentially £225

10 months too late for that now though

dojj

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i think a lot of people will put themselves out for the sake of keeping a good reputation
i've sent out stuff before just because it's been laying about and, if it's helped someone out then fine, but if i were to sell something, then i'd make sure it was ok and good before sending it away

the only thing i would sell without some sort of garantee is an engine, but at least the seller would know that i've not tested it or anything

Cossy Mike

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County Court all the way fella

Mr S1

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All I asked was for them to be straight. I knew they needed a refurb and I wasn't expecting a mint set of rims and they weren't. I knew there was going to be £200 worth of refurb costs on top of the £225, but they were rims I wanted so was happy to swallow it all. What I won't take on the chin is being shafted and someone thinking that.

Bought a set of rims of Beefy on here and I didn't mess him about either - I do what I say when I say. All I expect is people to be the same with me and to sort it out of it isn't what it should be. Hardly think that's unreasonable, does anyone else ?

ballin

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"All I want you to do is confirm none of them ain't square "

actually then, you got what you asked for


anyway, geezer didn't know they were bent, you looked before you bought, so really...sold as seen imo
a good will payment would be nice, but not a given again imo

Benni

Westy

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think your'll have to take a hit on this one Stu.. Probably get grilled for this, but you had seen them before parting cash. You loose unfortunately.

-beefy-

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totally dojj,

i go out my way to help as anyone who knows and has bought off me can vouch ,

i stripped cleaned and painted a perfectly good turbo after id already sold it , just so i knew it was a ok for the seller,

same with the rims i sold stu, had them checked, cleaned ,and put in primer to make life eaiser at his end when it came to getting them ,

even went out and got the decals he wanted for the rims sorted, (granted he chucked me a cpl extra quid for them ) but i wouldnt send them out till i was happy there was no reason to complain when they arrived ,

even if there was, id of sorted something out rather than just leave it ,

give everyone else a bad rep

and well we all end up loosing ,

beef

matts1

Hard one to call, maybe a guesture payment from the bloke would have been the best outcome, just a part refund.

Ok, he said they weren't bent, but to be fair, if you didn't spot it when you collected them, then you can't expect him to have either.

He may not have relised, and maybe thinks your trying it on or changed your mind on them, either way, he most likely doesn't see why he should give the cash back.

Not an easy one as there are two ways of looking at it.

cozzfather

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looking at them rims they look miles better than some shite i have seen and thats just it looks are one thing and its hard to check for wonky wheels sometimes,i do this with a alloy wheel and suggest anyone buying second hand rims does it if they can do so and want to check for them being true.

put the wheel on a car hub and spin the wheel with summat like a axle stand right next to it so you can check for the wheel being wonky, i have done it and seen old rs alloys wobble all over the place. i got taught that one by a rally engineer

.Pete.

i've got a set of wheels in the garage i'm refurbing and now on close inspection I think at least a couple of them might have flat spots. I'm not about to go knocking on the sellers door for my money back though. I got them cheap from a private ad. If I wanted a guarentee i'd have got some from a dealer with a warrenty and paid a lot more, but I took the cheap route and sometimes it doesn't work out. I don't think he was intentionally trying to rip you off , same as my fella with mine, so i'd just take it on the chin as an expensive lesson.

fuzzy

you should have jacked up your car ,removed a wheel and tried spinning each wheel individually to show this up. fair enough it takes a little time but then this doesnt happen.
i dont agree that its not his fault as he didnt know they were bent. thats just his word and his word is obviously worth fuck all.
you asked for straight wheels he said yes.

turbolee

evan if you win in court mate its a differant story getting the money its sounds daft but the judge will allow the lad to give you a pound a week if he says its all he can afford this happend to my bro and was owed 3 grand

Rab

To be fair, you can't blame the lad who sold them. When you asked if they were square, he'd have gone out and looked for flat spots and seen none. You got what you asked for, non square wheels.

Sorry dude. If it was me that sold you the wheels, you get my sympathy but not my money.

cozzfather

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theres a bleedin echo in here

only my way is more scientific

©hatter Box

did them wheels go off to spit and spolish ? have you tried lepsons ?

i have met tim and hes dad in the past as he has had a few parts of me seems a nice lad never heard of him having trouble before.in hindsite i would of wanted my money back there and then not wait 10 months. some time when you buy alloys and get them refubed you dont know whats under them until they get acid diped

Mr S1

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He is a nice lad Alex, as I've already said. Not like he's been giving me a load of gob, not at all. But he is pissing about, that's a fact.

CraigoScott

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i feel for both parties, but i think that if you wanted to make sure they werent bent, you should have had them checked professionally before parting with cash, the guy selling them should not be held liable as they were sold as second hand!

do you have a signed receipt from the seller saying that they werent bent? does he class himself or advertise himself to be a professional in that field?

would you trust a hairdresser to tell you if a buildings foundations are fucked? no, so im sorry but in this case i think you are going to have to swallow it and i dont think it will stand up in a small claims!

price of alloy has gone up again recently hasnt it? might make you £50 back weighing them in!

Paddy

Have to agree with Craig on this one Stu.

If you'd bought it from a trader and you still have a receipt, you'd likely win at the County Court.

As said above, a good will payment from the bloke would have been nice....

but you bought them from an average Joe and as you probably know, when the buyer and the seller are negotiating from equal bargaining positions [ie neither one are experts regardless of what's been said] it's caveat emptor mate

fuzzy

hes bumped you for a couple of hundred quid and is dodging you. he sounds like a real nice guy.

Coldo

Wait a minute, you went to his house, with cash, i presume you inspected the wheels, to the extent you were happy enough to part with your money. The rims were second hand and thus have no warranty.

Yeah, its pretty unfortunate, from what you say, you believe the seller didnt know they were bent, so he wasnt pulling a fast one.


Maybe a £100 refund as a goodwill gesture from the seller would be nice, but in all honesty, i dont think you have a leg to stand on, sold as seen im afraid.

Mr S1

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......Fair point ! ......

G420 DEL

throw mine in....

like mr s1 says he knew what he was buyin he just wanted them to be "round" he asked and was told they was... if the lad sellin them couldnt be sure why say they were fine...

good advice about takein off your own back wheel and spinning these up on your car to be sure but again i suppose, being told they are straight would you feel the need?

either way shame its happend, if nuthin else its just a ball ache dealing with it all.

woolford

we repair wheels like this all the time not making any promises but we might be able to sort the straightness of the wheels out.. 01253 769769.
PXWHEELS..

Paul

p.s you would have get them to and from blackpool

-beefy-

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where tim ,

surely it would be nice to hear is input on the subject ,

hard one to call, i wouldnt of waited soo long fella,

did they have tyres on when you purchased them ?

beef

dojj

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you may be better off pm'ing him this as well before the trader police arrive with their size 14's

Lee Reynolds

Im sorry if i offend but you take your chances with 2nd hand goods! If you could not tell they were bent then also maybe he couldnt either? So as far as he was aware, which he told you, they were straight!

IMO its one of those things, like buying a car and not hpi'ing it then finding out its a cat D! If you have took the wheels to a tyre place before parting with cash you would have found out!