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Old Feb 23, 2009 | 12:21 PM
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We do alot of the Gizzmo controllers these days. Most people seem bored with the gadgets and rising costs of the jap stuff and Gizzmo's are great and do exactly what they need to. Control boost!!

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Apexi AVC-R gets my vote



Big fan of the Apexi stuff
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be good if you could get one with one knob,, for up and down!
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Christian! tell me more. In the market for one at the moment.
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Christian! tell me more. In the market for one at the moment.
Been looking at these Porkie
Christian recomended this one to me: http://www.gizzmoelectronics.co.uk/Product_MSIBC.html
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Sm4 gets my vote, its a fairly expensive boost controller I admit, but its very feature rich!
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Im using the Profec 2, which is one of the most basic controllers on the market.

http://www.grahamgoode.com/website/p...&item=15500210

Can be picked up on ebay for approx Ł250.00.
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Im using the Profec 2, which is one of the most basic controllers on the market.

http://www.grahamgoode.com/website/p...&item=15500210

Can be picked up on ebay for approx Ł250.00.

I had that one on my Skyline! I had a play with it once by accident... kinda just started pressing buttons and making it gain or something... didnt seem to do much to be honest


an hour later it lunched the Turbos.

I was wounded. Engine out job! Properly expensive little fooking fiddle around that was!!!!
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I run a Blitz Dual SBC Spec R in my cossie and I think its a really good bit of kit.

Not too complicated to use with no fancy screens or any posh little gadgets built into it and is really small and easy to install!

http://www.machv.com/blitsbcdcboo.html
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I'm using this one,


Its the Blitz SBC-iD and is one of the best controllers imo. Dual boost solonoids means it will hold whatever boost you want it to whenever you want. Also got 4 channels which you can set to different levels of boost.
Can be had for around Ł260 off ebay.
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Chipola how much is SM4?

I would have loved to have switched to 2 bar on saturday and kept up with supermike!

EDIT. SM4 is the ecu isnt it

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Sm4 gets my vote, its a fairly expensive boost controller I admit, but its very feature rich!
Already spent enough on the Pectel T2 bud, not gonna change ECU now
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Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
We do alot of the Gizzmo controllers these days. Most people seem bored with the gadgets and rising costs of the jap stuff and Gizzmo's are great and do exactly what they need to. Control boost!!


how much Christian?

can you control the boost curve or just the end amount... and does that make ANY sense


what I mean is...

could I have one setting with a mental 2.4 bar boost spike for lighting up the wheels for hooligan mode...

and then another setting for gheyness passing noise tests/wet days at 1.3 bar.

and then another than zips up to 1.5 bar and then progressively rises upto 2 bar at peak revs for going fast without loosing traction?


When I have this... I will be SOOOOO happy with the little bathtub!!
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what about pectel
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Originally Posted by Porkie
Chipola how much is SM4?

I would have loved to have switched to 2 bar on saturday and kept up with supermike!

EDIT. SM4 is the ecu isnt it
2 grand ish, and yes its the ecu, lol

It is the bollocks as a boost controller though
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take a look at this please chip

http://www.gizzmoelectronics.co.uk/Product_MSIBC.html
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Originally Posted by Porkie
how much Christian?

can you control the boost curve or just the end amount... and does that make ANY sense


what I mean is...

could I have one setting with a mental 2.4 bar boost spike for lighting up the wheels for hooligan mode...

and then another setting for gheyness passing noise tests/wet days at 1.3 bar.

and then another than zips up to 1.5 bar and then progressively rises upto 2 bar at peak revs for going fast without loosing traction?


When I have this... I will be SOOOOO happy with the little bathtub!!


SM4 does all that and a bag of chips

In fact it will even allow you to control the boost in real time using the throttle but still based on a revs curve.

So for example 25% throttle could be:
3000rpm = 8psi
5000rpm = 10psi
7000rpm = 14psi

But 50% might be
3000rpm = 15psi
5000rpm = 20 psi
7000rpm = 25 psi

and full throttle could be
3000rpm = 20psi
5000rpm = 25psi
7000rpm = 30psi


And it will interpolate in between etc too.


Decent management can make a car VERY driveable
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Originally Posted by Porkie
Does nothing the blitz one you have cant do, its basically just a cheaper version of the same thing.

you want one that does a graph versus rpm.

Like so:
http://www.temple-tuning.co.uk/apexi...vc-r-722-p.asp
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What about for those of us that don't have Ł2000 though mate, lol
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Originally Posted by Gav Diamond
Been looking at these Porkie
Christian recomended this one to me: http://www.gizzmoelectronics.co.uk/Product_MSIBC.html
We've got a fitting guide for one of those in the next issue funnily enough! Seems like a really neat bit of kit!
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turbo smart e-boost 2 is a very good controller and has a learn function for gear rpm based boost i also have a profec 2 in my daily very simple hi-lo boost control and easy to set up
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Originally Posted by Chip
Does nothing the blitz one you have cant do, its basically just a cheaper version of the same thing.

you want one that does a graph versus rpm.

Like so:
http://www.temple-tuning.co.uk/apexi...vc-r-722-p.asp

I called Martoon and he doesn't have the Solenoid, only has the screen bit.

So unless Christian knows if I can buy the Solenoids seperately.... I'm buying a whole new one anyway!
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You can buy solenoids seperately I would imagine, as its probably just a generic boost control solenoid.

Even the autronic ones are only 100 quid, so cant imagine it being anymore than that as autronic arent known for under pricing stuff

Edit: here you go, will be one of these
http://www.blitz-uk.co.uk/ProductItem-318.aspx
http://www.blitz-uk.co.uk/ProductItem-319.aspx

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This Gizzmo's are a fantastic controller. We are fitting those in favour of GReddy and Apexi stuff these days, purely on account of how simple they are, but SO effective and the price is unreal when most of the others are beyond Ł300 now at least (I think the AVC-R is currently close to Ł400!!)

I've just learnt of a Gizzmo price drop too, making the MS-IBC, which is 50psi capable and with 6 presets sub Ł200!! (Ł199 plus postage!!).

IMO, the fancy stuff is pointless. If the car is proper to start with and with an adequate wastegate, you'll not need trickery and gear-based boost biasing is for girls if you ask me.

Gizzmo FTW.
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Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
IMO, the fancy stuff is pointless. If the car is proper to start with and with an adequate wastegate, you'll not need trickery and gear-based boost biasing is for girls if you ask me.

Gizzmo FTW.
Crikey, I always made the mistake of thinking you knew a bit about trackday cars.

That'll teach me not to over estimate people!
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Crikey, I always made the mistake of thinking you knew a bit about trackday cars.

That'll teach me not to over estimate people!
Please explain your comment?
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Trackday cars = need controllable power delivery
You = dont grasp that fact going by your comment there
Me = made mistake of thinking you would
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Originally Posted by Mike C
Apexi AVC-R gets my vote



Big fan of the Apexi stuff
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Great bit of kit but it is expensive!
Gear based boost setting is my favorite, just what you need for a S2 to help maintain a good balance between power and traction in 1st and 2nd!
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Originally Posted by Chip
You can buy solenoids seperately I would imagine, as its probably just a generic boost control solenoid.

Even the autronic ones are only 100 quid, so cant imagine it being anymore than that as autronic arent known for under pricing stuff

Edit: here you go, will be one of these
http://www.blitz-uk.co.uk/ProductItem-318.aspx
http://www.blitz-uk.co.uk/ProductItem-319.aspx
Its the second one... which is Ł240 quid

DOH!!!!

dont know what to do now

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Originally Posted by Chip
Trackday cars = need controllable power delivery
You = dont grasp that fact going by your comment there
Me = made mistake of thinking you would
Sorry Chip. I still don't get it. In my experience, people drive their car accordingly and don't rely on a boost controller to do it for them. That's certainly the concensus of opinion of the majority of our customer base.

Gary's Evo for one runs 2-bar flat.

Let's not start a war on this one and agree to disagree?? We've done alot of work with most of the boost controllers on the market and in my opinion a strong simple controller reigns supreme, against a fancy gadget packed controller that can't control the boost very well.
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Originally Posted by Porkie
Its the second one... which is Ł209 quid

DOH!!!!

dont know what to do now
Ask them if it will still work on the first one, as because you have a basic actuator setup, you dont have any use for the dual port one anyway.
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Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
Sorry Chip. I still don't get it. In my experience, people drive their car accordingly and don't rely on a boost controller to do it for them. That's certainly the concensus of opinion of the majority of our customer base.

Gary's Evo for one runs 2-bar flat.

Let's not start a war on this one and agree to disagree?? We've done alot of work with most of the boost controllers on the market and in my opinion a strong simple controller reigns supreme, against a fancy gadget packed controller that can't control the boost very well.
You need to try driving a big power FWD car on track mate

Seriously, if you have a GT30 and a 2 litre engine, then coming out of a 4000rpm 2nd gear corner trying to modulate the boost with the throttle, really doesnt work very well, having a setup that actually takes the throttle as a user request parameter and delivers the appropriate boost accordingly makes it massively more driveable.

Its hard to explain how good it is to someone who hasnt tried it setup properly in the first place TBH.
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Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
This Gizzmo's are a fantastic controller. We are fitting those in favour of GReddy and Apexi stuff these days, purely on account of how simple they are, but SO effective and the price is unreal when most of the others are beyond Ł300 now at least (I think the AVC-R is currently close to Ł400!!)

I've just learnt of a Gizzmo price drop too, making the MS-IBC, which is 50psi capable and with 6 presets sub Ł200!! (Ł199 plus postage!!).

IMO, the fancy stuff is pointless. If the car is proper to start with and with an adequate wastegate, you'll not need trickery and gear-based boost biasing is for girls if you ask me.

Gizzmo FTW.
can you show me a pic of one in a car please Christian and you will probably have the sale!

I'll use my right foot and brain to control the boost in gear and stuff
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can you show me a pic of one in a car please Christian and you will probably have the sale!

I'll use my right foot and brain to control the boost in gear and stuff
On your car, with stacks of grip and not much power, that will be fine.


































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Originally Posted by Chip
You need to try driving a big power FWD car on track mate

Seriously, if you have a GT30 and a 2 litre engine, then coming out of a 4000rpm 2nd gear corner trying to modulate the boost with the throttle, really doesnt work very well, having a setup that actually takes the throttle as a user request parameter and delivers the appropriate boost accordingly makes it massively more driveable.

Its hard to explain how good it is to someone who hasnt tried it setup properly in the first place TBH.
Chip, we are talking about the exception there, as opposed to the rule though. In my opinion, spending Ł300-Ł400 on a controller for a RWD/4WD car that really doesn't need that kind of trickery is silly when the Gizzmo is so good pound for pound and setting everything else aside, is so stable.
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Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
Chip, we are talking about the exception there, as opposed to the rule though. In my opinion, spending Ł300-Ł400 on a controller for a RWD/4WD car that really doesn't need that kind of trickery is silly when the Gizzmo is so good pound for pound and setting everything else aside, is so stable.
Agreed mate, for porkie's application im sure its absolutely fine.

Mind you, so would a manual boost controller be TBH, and they cost 20 quid and can be installed in a couple of minutes!
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Originally Posted by Chip
Ask them if it will still work on the first one, as because you have a basic actuator setup, you dont have any use for the dual port one anyway.

Ask who? Blitz?

they arent even helpful enough to make ENGRISH destructions!
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Originally Posted by Porkie
Ask who? Blitz?

they arent even helpful enough to make ENGRISH destructions!
Yes, that blitz-uk company

And PMSL @ "Engrish"
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