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03-02-2006, 02:15 AM
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What are your opinions about this?
Just found this on another forum and thought i'd put it up here to see what you all thought about it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/h...re/4650966.stm
In case no one can be bothered to read the guy got 5 years in prison and was banned for driving for 15 years after a guy he was racing crashed and killed himself.
What's everyones opinions on the sentence?
Sorry if this is a repost.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/h...re/4650966.stm
In case no one can be bothered to read the guy got 5 years in prison and was banned for driving for 15 years after a guy he was racing crashed and killed himself.
What's everyones opinions on the sentence?
Sorry if this is a repost.
03-02-2006, 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by SteveH
I dont condone racing so i guess its a just sentence, if a little harsh. If they werent racing the guy would not have crashed, but he didnt have to race..... 
03-02-2006, 06:00 AM
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I have just read back through the archives on the BBC site about sentences for 'death by dangerous driving', not necessarily ones caused by racing.
I am absolutely appalled at the lenient sentences given.... so far the highest sentence I have seen is six and a half years and the lowest 30 months. WTF - you kill someone, sometimes in horrific circumstances and are found guilty and you get a poxy little stretch inside and let out early for good behaviour.... This country sucks with it's legal system
I am absolutely appalled at the lenient sentences given.... so far the highest sentence I have seen is six and a half years and the lowest 30 months. WTF - you kill someone, sometimes in horrific circumstances and are found guilty and you get a poxy little stretch inside and let out early for good behaviour.... This country sucks with it's legal system
03-02-2006, 06:18 AM
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I've had loads of people trying to keep up with me and crash their cars. Does that mean i'm a murderer?
I never push people, if they wanna boot off, let them, i give chase sometimes, but i can tell instantly if their driving leaves a lot to the imagination. and if they are a danger to their stupid selves i back off.
I think its bollocks, It takes two to tango, whoever crashes or gets hurt should learn how to bloody drive before they think they are Stirling Moss.
I never push people, if they wanna boot off, let them, i give chase sometimes, but i can tell instantly if their driving leaves a lot to the imagination. and if they are a danger to their stupid selves i back off.
I think its bollocks, It takes two to tango, whoever crashes or gets hurt should learn how to bloody drive before they think they are Stirling Moss.
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03-02-2006, 09:21 AM
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so,2 people on dance floor trying to outbreakdance each other,one slips and breaks his neck,is the other person liable,its utter bollocks!
03-02-2006, 09:31 AM
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Thats proper harsh and stupid. He didnt force the bloke to race or actaully cause him to crash so why should he be held accountable.
fucking stupid imho
fucking stupid imho
03-02-2006, 09:58 AM
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4 vs 4 ATM
True though what Rich said, Amazing how one minute its all 'Yeah i blasted this evo in my cossy' then next minute its 'Racing is bad!'
Not naming names, not pointing the finger, just saying
Big wig's example fits perfectly, & there's plenty more. If i copied something i saw on TV and died, would the person doing stupid things i copied be arrested? (think jackass)
Its just another pop at drivers IMO
p.s I still don't condone the racing with kids in the back, that's just stupid. there's always a right place and right time for giving it some stick, its just a shame a lot of idiots don't know where those places are and what the right time is.
True though what Rich said, Amazing how one minute its all 'Yeah i blasted this evo in my cossy' then next minute its 'Racing is bad!'
Not naming names, not pointing the finger, just saying
Big wig's example fits perfectly, & there's plenty more. If i copied something i saw on TV and died, would the person doing stupid things i copied be arrested? (think jackass)
Its just another pop at drivers IMO
p.s I still don't condone the racing with kids in the back, that's just stupid. there's always a right place and right time for giving it some stick, its just a shame a lot of idiots don't know where those places are and what the right time is.
03-02-2006, 10:01 AM
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Just noticed this aswell
Now would this be a 'car computer' that we don't know about? or a Trip counter/g-force meter?
Soon as i've done my business, the trip computer gets reset.
oh and this
Impeccable? Would that be Impeccable in the sense that he was never caught? Seems strange that on that day out of all the 'impeccable' days he suddenly decided to race for the first time in his life 
Who writes this shit? i mean seriously
Police discovered from his car computer that the vehicle had been travelling up to 138 mph.
Soon as i've done my business, the trip computer gets reset.
oh and this
His reckless driving caused the death of a kind and gentle man who had an impeccable driving record
Who writes this shit? i mean seriously
03-02-2006, 10:02 AM
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There was a recent case like this in Stoke. A lad called Jacko was sent down when a Fiesta racing on the A500 crashed and people were killed. That was a very debatable case.
It's a tough one to judge. I think if you actually organise a race and someone gets killed then you have to take some responsibility. But then if someone choses to race you and kills themselves that's a bit tricky. Then there is provoking someone into racing.
I think racing with kids on your car is a terrible offence.
The thing is you just never know what situations are really like. I think Steve on here has a story where he was acused of causing a crash he'd stopped by simply because a few old ladies assumed he was racing in his Renault 5 turbo.
A couple of years ago I was with a friend driving out of town and a lad in a Saxo raced off from us and crashed into a car.
It's a tough one to judge. I think if you actually organise a race and someone gets killed then you have to take some responsibility. But then if someone choses to race you and kills themselves that's a bit tricky. Then there is provoking someone into racing.
I think racing with kids on your car is a terrible offence.
The thing is you just never know what situations are really like. I think Steve on here has a story where he was acused of causing a crash he'd stopped by simply because a few old ladies assumed he was racing in his Renault 5 turbo.
A couple of years ago I was with a friend driving out of town and a lad in a Saxo raced off from us and crashed into a car.
03-02-2006, 10:03 AM
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4 vs 4 ATM
p.s I still don't condone the racing with kids in the back, that's just stupid. there's always a right place and right time for giving it some stick, its just a shame a lot of idiots don't know where those places are and what the right time is.
p.s I still don't condone the racing with kids in the back, that's just stupid. there's always a right place and right time for giving it some stick, its just a shame a lot of idiots don't know where those places are and what the right time is.
that just fooking stupid with kids in the car 
03-02-2006, 10:12 AM
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Stupid and irresponsible yes, but that doesn't deserve a sentence like that. He never held a gun to the other guy's head and sad you will race me.
The bloke made his bed the moment he chose to race IMO. The other guy can't be held accountable for someone else's actions.
The bloke made his bed the moment he chose to race IMO. The other guy can't be held accountable for someone else's actions.
03-02-2006, 10:26 AM
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No one forces anyone to race, even if it's 'organised', the organisers should not face critisism. We all know the risks.
The only time you should be allowed to race on a public road is if;
It's 11pm or later
It's on an industrial estate.
People are watching.
No ones life is in immediate danger.
The guy in the other cars says- 'Hey pussy boy, wanna race??'
The only time you should be allowed to race on a public road is if;
It's 11pm or later
It's on an industrial estate.
People are watching.
No ones life is in immediate danger.
The guy in the other cars says- 'Hey pussy boy, wanna race??'
03-02-2006, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Redkop
I think the law sees it as, that you were a 'willing accomplice' a bit like aiding and abetting, which is understandable.
The key point is that racing is ilegal and regardless of your reasoning every driver should know it's against the law.
03-02-2006, 10:37 AM
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No one forces anyone to race, even if it's 'organised', the organisers should not face critisism. We all know the risks.
The only time you should be allowed to race on a public road is if;
It's 11pm or later
It's on an industrial estate.
People are watching.
No ones life is in immediate danger.
The guy in the other cars says- 'Hey pussy boy, wanna race??'
The only time you should be allowed to race on a public road is if;
It's 11pm or later
It's on an industrial estate.
People are watching.
No ones life is in immediate danger.
The guy in the other cars says- 'Hey pussy boy, wanna race??'
Agree with later times ect as above if anyone is going to do it, and not at midday through town centre with loads of peeps about
03-02-2006, 12:59 PM
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As I said earlier he should have got double for having 2 young kids in the car.Those kids must have been bloody petrified and he could have killed them.I cant imagine what they were thinking.That is totally irresponsible.I like the occasional blast but only when I drive alone.If I got anyone with me then forget it.If I wanna kill myself then fine but no one else deserves to be taken out by me.
03-02-2006, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by cossymad
No one forces anyone to race, even if it's 'organised', the organisers should not face critisism. We all know the risks.
The only time you should be allowed to race on a public road is if;
It's 11pm or later
It's on an industrial estate.
People are watching.
No ones life is in immediate danger.
The guy in the other cars says- 'Hey pussy boy, wanna race??'
The only time you should be allowed to race on a public road is if;
It's 11pm or later
It's on an industrial estate.
People are watching.
No ones life is in immediate danger.
The guy in the other cars says- 'Hey pussy boy, wanna race??'
ps racing with ya kids in the car is bad
03-02-2006, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by MWF
There was a recent case like this in Stoke. A lad called Jacko was sent down when a Fiesta racing on the A500 crashed and people were killed. That was a very debatable case.
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03-02-2006, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by RSBen
Originally Posted by MWF
There was a recent case like this in Stoke. A lad called Jacko was sent down when a Fiesta racing on the A500 crashed and people were killed. That was a very debatable case.
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Due to the evidence against him he was advised (wrongly imo) to plead guilty to the charged and thus was imprisoned.
Despite his guilty plea to speeding he continues to protest he played no part in Fiestas crash.
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Originally Posted by Kev.H
Originally Posted by cossymad
No one forces anyone to race, even if it's 'organised', the organisers should not face critisism. We all know the risks.
The only time you should be allowed to race on a public road is if;
It's 11pm or later
It's on an industrial estate.
People are watching.
No ones life is in immediate danger.
The guy in the other cars says- 'Hey pussy boy, wanna race??'
The only time you should be allowed to race on a public road is if;
It's 11pm or later
It's on an industrial estate.
People are watching.
No ones life is in immediate danger.
The guy in the other cars says- 'Hey pussy boy, wanna race??'
ps racing with ya kids in the car is bad
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03-02-2006, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by cossymad
Originally Posted by Kev.H
Originally Posted by cossymad
No one forces anyone to race, even if it's 'organised', the organisers should not face critisism. We all know the risks.
The only time you should be allowed to race on a public road is if;
It's 11pm or later
It's on an industrial estate.
People are watching.
No ones life is in immediate danger.
The guy in the other cars says- 'Hey pussy boy, wanna race??'
The only time you should be allowed to race on a public road is if;
It's 11pm or later
It's on an industrial estate.
People are watching.
No ones life is in immediate danger.
The guy in the other cars says- 'Hey pussy boy, wanna race??'
ps racing with ya kids in the car is bad
4 months
no more racing for you...............unless of course ' pussy boy, you wanna race??'
03-02-2006, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by MWF
Originally Posted by RSBen
Originally Posted by MWF
There was a recent case like this in Stoke. A lad called Jacko was sent down when a Fiesta racing on the A500 crashed and people were killed. That was a very debatable case.
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Due to the evidence against him he was advised (wrongly imo) to plead guilty to the charged and thus was imprisoned.
Despite his guilty plea to speeding he continues to protest he played no part in Fiestas crash.
03-02-2006, 05:25 PM
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I don't think anybody will condone racing with kids in the car as that was daft. But I do feel this is totally OTT.
Nobody forces somebody to race. If you do race you go into knowing full well what the consequences are. The other guy overstepped the mark and crashed this is nobodies fault but his own. As per usual it's the bleeding hearts, blame somebody else society causing problems.
The guy certainly deserves the ban that's not in dispute but being jailed for 5 years because of another persons inability to control his car. And the bit about the dead man having an impeccable driving record is rediculous as if it was that impeccable he wouldn't have been racing in the first place.
Just my feelings and my flame suit is on
Nobody forces somebody to race. If you do race you go into knowing full well what the consequences are. The other guy overstepped the mark and crashed this is nobodies fault but his own. As per usual it's the bleeding hearts, blame somebody else society causing problems.
The guy certainly deserves the ban that's not in dispute but being jailed for 5 years because of another persons inability to control his car. And the bit about the dead man having an impeccable driving record is rediculous as if it was that impeccable he wouldn't have been racing in the first place.
Just my feelings and my flame suit is on
03-02-2006, 06:08 PM
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5 Years is a long time for having a blast, as said above he`s a complete arse hole for driving like that with kids in the car, as said again it takes two to tango, in no way would i say it was HIS fault the other guy died, You learn by your mistakes, or in this case we learn by others
03-02-2006, 06:17 PM
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can NOT be arsed to read all this but, it clearly states that the guy was BEHIND the old fukka in the MG
now, im sure if the old guy didnt put his foot down he would still be here today, but how the fuck can the other guy be held responsable for that?
he was BEHIND the MG, was he bumper to bumper pushing the car?
no
the old guy died cos he ran out of talent.
IMO not the guy behinds fault!
yes hes a c*nt for doing it with the kids in the car, but not a murderer!
now, im sure if the old guy didnt put his foot down he would still be here today, but how the fuck can the other guy be held responsable for that?
he was BEHIND the MG, was he bumper to bumper pushing the car?
no
the old guy died cos he ran out of talent.
IMO not the guy behinds fault!
yes hes a c*nt for doing it with the kids in the car, but not a murderer!
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View from Scoobynet about a cossie driver. http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=489478
What the feck are they on, specifically this one reply - http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showpost....5&postcount=12
What the feck are they on, specifically this one reply - http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showpost....5&postcount=12
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JESUS, it's Knob heads who say things like
" It seems that after 15 years these cars are still at the centre of accidents like this."
who help fan the flames -what a cock -Some scooby owners are just such twats, this could have involved any car,even God forbid, one of those impeccably driven Subaru's-I would be embarrased by someone saying such a load of bollocks on here
" It seems that after 15 years these cars are still at the centre of accidents like this."
who help fan the flames -what a cock
-Some scooby owners are just such twats, this could have involved any car,even God forbid, one of those impeccably driven Subaru's-I would be embarrased by someone saying such a load of bollocks on here
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I can guarantee if it had been the other way around the old guy of 69 would not be in the same position, not condoning the actions in anyway but as I've said many times before we have ALL fucking done it at some point and its only the law of averages that means we are here and he is there!
don't mean the kids thing in particular, although I know I've given it some beans on occasions with my boy in the car because he likes it LOL!! Now I didn't consider what I was doing was anyway dangerous however if you analyse it a bit of diesel on the road, somebody pulling out of a junction without looking, different story I suspect???
don't mean the kids thing in particular, although I know I've given it some beans on occasions with my boy in the car because he likes it LOL!! Now I didn't consider what I was doing was anyway dangerous however if you analyse it a bit of diesel on the road, somebody pulling out of a junction without looking, different story I suspect???
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I can see it from both sides really, he didn't force him to race or to crash etc so you have to ask if it was his fault.
BUT, it takes two (or more) to race, and if the guy in the Subaru didn't race him then he wouldn't have crashed and died. If you take the race out of the equation then the other guy would still be alive and so there must be some blame.
Also, in a lot of crashes when racing (that I have seen anyway) the crash is caused by actions from both drivers. (E.g. one changes lanes to overtake another car and so the other has to brake and looses control etc)
It is a tricky situation that I would hate to be in, knowing that I have perhaps been guilty of racing on public roads in the past
BUT, it takes two (or more) to race, and if the guy in the Subaru didn't race him then he wouldn't have crashed and died. If you take the race out of the equation then the other guy would still be alive and so there must be some blame.
Also, in a lot of crashes when racing (that I have seen anyway) the crash is caused by actions from both drivers. (E.g. one changes lanes to overtake another car and so the other has to brake and looses control etc)
It is a tricky situation that I would hate to be in, knowing that I have perhaps been guilty of racing on public roads in the past
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havnt read all the posts, but has anyone mentioned that when the car carshed the guy just drove off into the distance??
this a prison sentance on its own if death is the outcome!!
and why do people say you shouldnt race with kids in YOUR car , have you ever thought that the car you hit/run off the road may kids in it??
well deserved sentance if thats the whole story.
this a prison sentance on its own if death is the outcome!!
and why do people say you shouldnt race with kids in YOUR car , have you ever thought that the car you hit/run off the road may kids in it??
well deserved sentance if thats the whole story.
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