S2_Steve

Ive had a new gear box put into my series 2, but since then im have great differculty getting into gear. ive have told the guy who put the gear box in and he has mentioned he will adjust the gear linkage. will this solve the problem of getting into gear. they have put a diesel gear box on as they are stronger and handle the torque better.

Im only a novice at working on cars and unsure if the gear box is right
and adjusting the gear linkage will sort this out.

thanks in advance for your comments.

Tony Turbo

Yes - Adjusting the linkage should cure it.

And...


BOLLOX - Diesel boxes aren't any stronger, sorry.

DanRSturbo

As said, adjusting the linkage will help, buy a bernie box in a couple of month's when you're one goes bang again then you'll be trouble free

S2_Steve

Cheers guys,

this was what i was advised like i said im a novice i know bits and pieces but when comes to things like this i have to put in a garage (as much as i hate too)

how much is one of those bernie boxs then?

Thrush

iTrader: (1)

Yeah, sorry to say, but diesel boxes are no stronger than any IB-5 gear box - whether it's a 1.1 Bonus box or a 1.8 diesel box - they are all the same in terms of strength.

The reason most go for the diesel box is the longer ratio's, which allows more speed in mph per gear than the standard XR3i + S2 gear ratio's. Also allows for a higher top end. No stronger tho, and there's also no LSD, so in effect, it could actually be WEAKER....

S2_Steve

because they no LSD wil this explain why when im reversing and try and turn im getting a judder but reversing in a straight line its fine?

Ben26

What a tosser , why would he fit a deisel box with no LSD



I'd Kick right off mate



Ben

Tony Turbo

Never heard of that one


I never had any form of LSD for years in my RST until I got a Quaife Diff, never had any judder or anything like that.

Tony Turbo

Did you ask for a Diesel box, or did he recommend one?




If he recommended one then.....






....... Is about right

S2_Steve

no it was recommended by a bloke he knows ( people may know him on he he put a turbo engine in a mini his name is stewart from wickford)
he told the guy doing the work that they are the best boxes for them.

Tony Turbo

Na, IB5's are stronger than a BC. C&B having been using an IB5 box for years.

(A BC gearbox is an early CVH gearbox - mk3 - mk4)

S2_Steve

cheers mate,

do you have any prices for these boxes,
as i wont wait for the box to go i will just tell him im not happy with the box and get him to fit one of them instead.

Ben26

Not having a L.S.D in a RST is like a soldier going to war with out a gun




Ben

Tony Turbo

No, sorry.

Thrush

iTrader: (1)

No, I have never heard that problem, and it certainly doesn't have to do with not having an LSD as Tony said.....

LSD = Limited Slip Differential. Basically it's a viscous coupling that allows only partial spinning of one wheel independantly of the other. The idea is that it increases grip. For example, if you are coming out of a bend or turn and you nail it, the turbo comes on boost and you get a rush of power, the wheel with the lease resistance (typically the outside wheel to the way your are turning) would normally spin like a bastard. With an LSD in place, the gearbox (or LSD rather) limits the ammount of spin to that wheel, reduciing it and forcing it to turn in time, thus creating better grip for the acceleration.

On cars like the ERST, which have always had a problem with torgue steer due to unequal length driveshafts, it aids accelleration from a standing start aswell, by distributing power more equally to both of the front wheels.

The long and short of it is, by my understanding from what I have read and been told (just so you know this is NOT gospel) that WITH and LSD you get more grip, reduce torque steer somewhat (the FRST was never equipped with an LSD as standard to save costs, which is why it is renowned for having atrocious torque steer) and means you don't burn the box out as quickly. There isn't much reason I can see for NOT having an LSD in a FWD turbo car.

HTH

Wazzzer

the juddering in reverse sounds like one of your gearbox mounts isn't right, mine did this when I tore the standard gearbox mount in half

Thrush

iTrader: (1)

Send a PM to this chap - he'll sort you out

https://passionford.com/forum/profil...wprofile&u=789

Ben26

well said


Ben

davidreader5

HI ALL,
Having driven RST std & chipped i prefer the box without the lsd,
With the std lsd box and the car chipped approx 170bhp, in a built up area you dont know which parked car your going to hit if you give it some,
as the torque steer left to right is just like a rope around your neck,
but without the lsd i found if you hold the steering wheel tight it tug's
to the right a bit may spin it o/s wheel but then just goes straight.
try the RS focus CRAP LSD dangerous, especially power on through bends.



DAVE R

Oranoco

What a load of bollocks

My FRST only makes 200bhp and it's a pain in the arse without an LSD. My Escort makes 250bhp and I wouldn't even entertain the thought of runing without an LSD. And as for the Focus RS being crap I would suggest you actually drive one first as the dangerous torque steer the motoring press moaned about is a tiny squirm as I drove SCC's old one with 325bhp, it really is a light squirm and eaily controlled.

BTW Diesel box is NO stronger so slap the guy and tell him you want a proper box with the LSD in place. www.gearboxman.co.uk is the guy to speak to

davidreader5

oranaoco,
You must be brain dead, as im talking std rst LSD, not aftermarket and at 170 bhp was bad enough, maybe you only think you have 250bhp,by the way the focus i drove was chipped not sure of the bhp, but this is my opinion and the like of tiff needel also support my claim of the focus, dont know if they have improved since they first came into production.

DAVE R

davidreader5

ORANOCO,

When ford brought out the FIESTA RST i thought they had learn't
something from the escort rst, as they left out the LSD why??
then put one back in the RS FOCUS piece of junk,

DAVE R.

Oranoco

Brain dead? I am running on a standard LSD, the only difference is the oil that has been used. I don't think I have 250 mate I know as it has been proven on several rolling roads and it's performance has been proven at Brunters. I don't quote BS figures I leave the for the Pub Knobjockeys.

If you are struggling with 170 I would suggest you have your steering/suspension looked at or just learn how to drive the car.

Oranoco

Simply down to money you prick And the fact that the car really didn't need one as it's hardly a tyre shreading monster

FordRallyeSport

PMSL... I think you have a point oranoco.. I know form my fiesta that you need the LSD box.. I have owned a mk3 fiesta without an lsd and it was just hellish, especially when you begin to start upping the power.. But its all down to preference..
The focus RS lsd is a quaif item FACT... How is that rubbish.. Leaders in their field...

davidreader5

ORANOCO
I'M no PRICK, and i was probably driving RST when you were in nappies
so you say ford cut the lsd due to cost bullshit,
the car with 170 bhp ws back in 92, with no ecu's all done mechanically
for ignition retard & fuelling, all im stating is in a built up area with cars parked either side in A NARROW STREET i dare you to use full power
without hitting something especially someone not used to a rs, and
any FWD lsd car does not work as good as a RWD car.
also depending what ratio diff s1/s2 is worse, anyway just a opinion
if you did'nt agree you could of said less abruttly instead of saying bollocks, i can talk the same language, and don't give a fu-k what your views are's.

DAVE R

davidreader5

FORDRALLYSPORT,

drive A FOCUS RS AND FOR Ł20, ODD GRAND THERE are better cars,
and several motoring jounalist have said the front diff makes the car
very twitchy & and unsettling, i know the purpose of a lsd is to improve
the drive but that doesent mean it always works. i even have a view
of someone else quoting what i have said in a old fast ford.

DAVE R.

sm

s2 steve a stg 1 bernie box is about Ł550 inc vat plus ur old box in exchange (must be a box with a lsd) also my s2 ( 200bhp proved on a rolling road) was a nightmare to drive when i fitted a 3i box as a quick fix so was my mates (220 bhp cabrio with a mk5 ecs box, after i got my bernie box i couldnt belive the diffence my old lsd must of been shagged as the new one felt much better and the car had hardly any torque steer, most rst lsd's havent been rebuilt since the cars left the factory so most wont perform as good as they did when new

cheers k

davidreader5

SM,

Good point my experience was with approx 170bhp with std xr3i box
(couldent afford a rs box), and when insurance back in the 90's killed of rs cars, i sold my turbo version of a rs,and bought a genuine chipped
rs with also 170 to 180 bhp, and then noticed the difference, maybe
with a good lsd or with 200plus bhp, i may have a different opinion.
but i have had about 8 rs turbo's and much the same, but all were at
least 9/10 year old cars. S1 more aggressive as lower diff ratio and
setup to plates of lsd s2 more refined.

DAVE R.

Oranoco

You called me brain dead so I was just returning the compliment. And I'm 30 and have been playing with RST's for the last 11 years so if you were driving RST's when I was in nappies you must be really old

I'm not saying they cut it because of that it was just a suggestion and with the power the car makes it's really not required so would they have bothered anyway

I'm not daft enough to use full power in a built up area in a narrow street

Likewise

Thrush

iTrader: (1)

OMFG

ANYONE who uses full power in a narrow street with or without an LSD is a cock jockey either side of the coin you look at

davidreader5 - you are tlaking otu of your arse chap. Sorry, but you are. I have had an XR3i, and 2 RS turbos, and driven countless others. STRAIGHT AWAY I could tell the difference in torque steer between my RS's with LSD's and my 3i without - and the RST's, which had more power (the first one was 140bhp, the second was 170-180bhp) torque steered LESS

I virtually handbuilt my friends S2, which when he bought it was a 1600CVH S2 running 220bhp, but it had a diesel box with no LSD. When we changed the engine and fitted a 260-270bhp ZVH, we also changed the box to a stock S2 box WITH lsd - the difference was undeniable - it gripped much mugh better with the lsd and went in much more of a STRAIGHT line.

Simple.

Tony Turbo

I have the same type of diff, Quaife ATB. My car is SO easy to drive compared to other 300+ RST's. I can go flat out through all of the gearbox with one hand on the steering wheel, the other hand changing gear, from 0- 160+.

Virtually no torque steer, minimal wheelspin. As for cornering.... WOW! You won't believe how well the car takes a bend. What is understeer???

Ben26

but how much did ya diff cost ya ??



Ben

Andy-R

A Quaife ATB is around Ł550 from Burton, which makes a CTS Stage 2 box look very good value for money.

Tony Turbo

It was free. I collected all the tokens from Cornflakes packets and sent off for it. 28 days later... It arrived

Oranoco

Ben26

oooooo like that is it





i though u were just lying about it and u really drive ..............





Ben

Tony Turbo

Don't laugh, that's my Mum's car. 6R4 engine in the boot

Ben26

Ben

89xr2

"all im stating is in a built up area with cars parked either side in A NARROW STREET i dare you to use full power "


that's


just



Retarded.

as stated earlier go on www.gearboxman.co.uk all the prices are on there