Saw a Focus ST at our dealer yesterday and Im sorry but ....
14-01-2006, 09:27 AM
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Saw a Focus ST at our dealer yesterday and Im sorry but ....
I was not impressed at all, they dont have any presence about them at all, whats worrying is that it was an Orange one I was looking at and still it wasnt striking enough.The Fiesta ST that was sat next to it looked better.
Sorry to new owners of them but the Focus RS is a much nicer looking car IMO.
I appreciate the tuning potential n that , but apart from the Recaros it just looked like an Orange new shape Focus
My opinion anyway
Sorry to new owners of them but the Focus RS is a much nicer looking car IMO.
I appreciate the tuning potential n that , but apart from the Recaros it just looked like an Orange new shape Focus
My opinion anyway
14-01-2006, 09:34 AM
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Re: Saw a Focus ST at our dealer yesterday and Im sorry but
still anyone who reads performance ford will think the FRS is a hunk of junk after PF Dave report on the new ST 
It will be a serious Max power Chav motor
but joe public will love it aswell
It will be a serious Max power Chav motor
but joe public will love it aswell
14-01-2006, 09:36 AM
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Im test driving one at 3pm today so will report back
Havent seen one in the flesh but all the photos, reviews etc i think it looks stunning and seems to be better than the FRS in every department
Havent seen one in the flesh but all the photos, reviews etc i think it looks stunning and seems to be better than the FRS in every department
14-01-2006, 09:48 AM
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the focus wasnt a great car anyway
you lot need to stop looking in the past and look in the future guys
if we all thought like you then there would never have been a car after the model T
stick on ya flat caps and go back to the pub grandads
you lot need to stop looking in the past and look in the future guys
if we all thought like you then there would never have been a car after the model T
stick on ya flat caps and go back to the pub grandads
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14-01-2006, 10:31 AM
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Not keen on the ST but it'll probably grow on me over time. At least Ford are still prepared to put out fast cars in a day where if you even mention the word "speed" you are lynched by a group of right wing liberal lental eating car hating tossers
14-01-2006, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by T4KAF
every 1has there own opinion tho the frs is a raw drivers car,and nothing will ever replace the daddy that is the escort cosworth! 
give me a rwd car any day
thats the only issue with the escos is its 4x4
14-01-2006, 11:32 AM
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you can make an escos rwd easily if thats your preferance....
I like the new ST.... and i think i even prefer it in orange, not sure i'd actually drive an orange one though
these bmw drivers... isn't there any bmw forums you could go on and abuse fords?
I like the new ST....
and i think i even prefer it in orange, not sure i'd actually drive an orange one though these bmw drivers... isn't there any bmw forums you could go on and abuse fords?
14-01-2006, 11:40 AM
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Kev, I don't hate the Focus RS at all fella - in fact I love it! It's just the ST despite not having the"correct" badge on the back is a massive step in the right direction for Ford.
Let's face it if Jost and his team didn't get what they wanted, the hottest thing we might all be talking about at the moment would be a 1.6 Fiesta and a 2.0 Focus, (obviously no offence to owners of either).
They are so close on paper, and real life that there's not much to seperate them, on the one hand you have the rawness and grin factor from the RS, on the other you have a much better build quality, ride and arguably... chassis in the ST, making it handy round a tight track.
I know which one I'd rather drive through Europe in, and I know which one I'd rather drive round say, Silverstone in...
Let's face it if Jost and his team didn't get what they wanted, the hottest thing we might all be talking about at the moment would be a 1.6 Fiesta and a 2.0 Focus, (obviously no offence to owners of either).
They are so close on paper, and real life that there's not much to seperate them, on the one hand you have the rawness and grin factor from the RS, on the other you have a much better build quality, ride and arguably... chassis in the ST, making it handy round a tight track.
I know which one I'd rather drive through Europe in, and I know which one I'd rather drive round say, Silverstone in...
14-01-2006, 02:30 PM
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just back from my st test drive and was well impressed, it was pissing down with rain and there were four of us in the car, felt quick, handled well and it seemed very well put together, im getting one
14-01-2006, 03:30 PM
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Re: Saw a Focus ST at our dealer yesterday and Im sorry but
Originally Posted by Mr Brannen
I was not impressed at all, they dont have any presence about them at all, whats worrying is that it was an Orange one I was looking at and still it wasnt striking enough.The Fiesta ST that was sat next to it looked better.
Sorry to new owners of them but the Focus RS is a much nicer looking car IMO.
I appreciate the tuning potential n that , but apart from the Recaros it just looked like an Orange new shape Focus
My opinion anyway
Sorry to new owners of them but the Focus RS is a much nicer looking car IMO.
I appreciate the tuning potential n that , but apart from the Recaros it just looked like an Orange new shape Focus
My opinion anyway
14-01-2006, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by PF Dave
Kev, I don't hate the Focus RS at all fella - in fact I love it! It's just the ST despite not having the"correct" badge on the back is a massive step in the right direction for Ford.
Let's face it if Jost and his team didn't get what they wanted, the hottest thing we might all be talking about at the moment would be a 1.6 Fiesta and a 2.0 Focus, (obviously no offence to owners of either).
They are so close on paper, and real life that there's not much to seperate them, on the one hand you have the rawness and grin factor from the RS, on the other you have a much better build quality, ride and arguably... chassis in the ST, making it handy round a tight track.
I know which one I'd rather drive through Europe in, and I know which one I'd rather drive round say, Silverstone in...
Let's face it if Jost and his team didn't get what they wanted, the hottest thing we might all be talking about at the moment would be a 1.6 Fiesta and a 2.0 Focus, (obviously no offence to owners of either).
They are so close on paper, and real life that there's not much to seperate them, on the one hand you have the rawness and grin factor from the RS, on the other you have a much better build quality, ride and arguably... chassis in the ST, making it handy round a tight track.
I know which one I'd rather drive through Europe in, and I know which one I'd rather drive round say, Silverstone in...
step in the right direction or easy money joe public car 
who wants to read about a modified volvo copies anyway 
Fords attempt at the FRS just about deserves the badge but if the ST had also worn the RS badge dear lord that is a Joke
I think it has the right badge but I think Ford are also putting their eggs into the wrong badge ST = Who cares RS = Has cred with both young and old
14-01-2006, 05:31 PM
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i like the st and very tempted to get one.will probably wait til there about a year old tho now.
who really cares what badge is on it.if it drives better and goes better has more tuning potential then who really cares
who really cares what badge is on it.if it drives better and goes better has more tuning potential then who really cares
14-01-2006, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Kev.H
Originally Posted by PF Dave
Kev, I don't hate the Focus RS at all fella - in fact I love it! It's just the ST despite not having the"correct" badge on the back is a massive step in the right direction for Ford.
Let's face it if Jost and his team didn't get what they wanted, the hottest thing we might all be talking about at the moment would be a 1.6 Fiesta and a 2.0 Focus, (obviously no offence to owners of either).
They are so close on paper, and real life that there's not much to seperate them, on the one hand you have the rawness and grin factor from the RS, on the other you have a much better build quality, ride and arguably... chassis in the ST, making it handy round a tight track.
I know which one I'd rather drive through Europe in, and I know which one I'd rather drive round say, Silverstone in...
Let's face it if Jost and his team didn't get what they wanted, the hottest thing we might all be talking about at the moment would be a 1.6 Fiesta and a 2.0 Focus, (obviously no offence to owners of either).
They are so close on paper, and real life that there's not much to seperate them, on the one hand you have the rawness and grin factor from the RS, on the other you have a much better build quality, ride and arguably... chassis in the ST, making it handy round a tight track.
I know which one I'd rather drive through Europe in, and I know which one I'd rather drive round say, Silverstone in...
step in the right direction or easy money joe public car who wants to read about a modified volvo copies anyway Fords attempt at the FRS just about deserves the badge but if the ST had also worn the RS badge dear lord that is a Joke
I think it has the right badge but I think Ford are also putting their eggs into the wrong badge ST = Who cares RS = Has cred with both young and oldtry and get parts for the focus RS for a start,,,, there have a good look at the BLUE LEATHER seats,,,,,,, then the clocks
there not all that tbh, yeah they got a load of nice toys to SEL the car but they aint great at all
all that work they put into it and they made a ST that it a better speced car and parts will be available OFF THE SHELF not to mention the volvo engine IS a good engine thats proven to be reliable and the volvo chassis too
the focus RS was not carrying into production for a reason,,,,,, it wasnt all that good for the money
14-01-2006, 06:03 PM
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I look at the comparison between the Focus RS & Focus St the same as the comparison between the S1 Turbo & S2 Turbo.
The S1 was built for the rawness and the S2 was more refined to suit Joe Public so to speak.
I've been out in Rob from SCC's Focus RS a couple of times and that was 328 bhp
Needless to say it flew
The Focus ST isn't an RS but it is still obvioulsy a step in the right direction for Ford rather than them not making performance cars
The S1 was built for the rawness and the S2 was more refined to suit Joe Public so to speak.
I've been out in Rob from SCC's Focus RS a couple of times and that was 328 bhp
Needless to say it flew
The Focus ST isn't an RS but it is still obvioulsy a step in the right direction for Ford rather than them not making performance cars
14-01-2006, 06:05 PM
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[quote="Kev.H"]
Fords attempt at the FRS just about deserves the badge but if the ST had also worn the RS badge dear lord that is a Joke I think it has the right badge but I think Ford are also putting their eggs into the wrong badge ST = Who cares RS = Has cred with both young and old
Your wrong there IMO
http://www.forddesktops.com/browse.a...ta&k=Fiesta+ST
http://www.forddesktops.com/browse.a...k=Mondeo+ST220
http://www.forddesktops.com/browse.a...k=Mondeo+ST200
Very wrong
Originally Posted by PF Dave
Fords attempt at the FRS just about deserves the badge but if the ST had also worn the RS badge dear lord that is a Joke
I think it has the right badge but I think Ford are also putting their eggs into the wrong badge ST = Who cares RS = Has cred with both young and oldYour wrong there IMO
http://www.forddesktops.com/browse.a...ta&k=Fiesta+ST
http://www.forddesktops.com/browse.a...k=Mondeo+ST220
http://www.forddesktops.com/browse.a...k=Mondeo+ST200
Very wrong
14-01-2006, 06:58 PM
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basically the focus RS was a large waste of money and ford realised that
the focus ST is a drivers car to attempt to get ford to actually make some sort of profit ( and trust me they need it)
btw what actuall work did the real ford boys do on the RS,,,,,,, as have of the techs aint got a clue about how they work for a start
the rs was a to remind people about ford is still about,,,,,, cause the jap car sales where KILLING ford financially
they made the ST to get a new established name to rival instead of "another wanna be attempt to better the mighty cosworth"
the ST badge is here to stay UNLESS the customers argue and they wont sell cause of a badge
but ford need to re address them selves BIG TIME and move with the times , the ST is the way
the focus ST is a drivers car to attempt to get ford to actually make some sort of profit ( and trust me they need it)
btw what actuall work did the real ford boys do on the RS,,,,,,, as have of the techs aint got a clue about how they work for a start
the rs was a to remind people about ford is still about,,,,,, cause the jap car sales where KILLING ford financially
they made the ST to get a new established name to rival instead of "another wanna be attempt to better the mighty cosworth"
the ST badge is here to stay UNLESS the customers argue and they wont sell cause of a badge
but ford need to re address them selves BIG TIME and move with the times , the ST is the way
14-01-2006, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by b19bal
basically the focus RS was a large waste of money and ford realised that
the focus ST is a drivers car to attempt to get ford to actually make some sort of profit ( and trust me they need it)
btw what actuall work did the real ford boys do on the RS,,,,,,, as have of the techs aint got a clue about how they work for a start
the rs was a to remind people about ford is still about,,,,,, cause the jap car sales where KILLING ford financially
they made the ST to get a new established name to rival instead of "another wanna be attempt to better the mighty cosworth"
the ST badge is here to stay UNLESS the customers argue and they wont sell cause of a badge
but ford need to re address them selves BIG TIME and move with the times , the ST is the way
the focus ST is a drivers car to attempt to get ford to actually make some sort of profit ( and trust me they need it)
btw what actuall work did the real ford boys do on the RS,,,,,,, as have of the techs aint got a clue about how they work for a start
the rs was a to remind people about ford is still about,,,,,, cause the jap car sales where KILLING ford financially
they made the ST to get a new established name to rival instead of "another wanna be attempt to better the mighty cosworth"
the ST badge is here to stay UNLESS the customers argue and they wont sell cause of a badge
but ford need to re address them selves BIG TIME and move with the times , the ST is the way
14-01-2006, 07:27 PM
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denial aint a just a place in egypt you know
i still dont like any of em tbh,,,, i actualy love the fiesta ST better but i would fit the volvo engine to is and have a PROPER beast
and it would be a 5 speed box "chucked in" cause they cant get the 6 speed to be reliable either
but the reliable 6 speed then got now
i still dont like any of em tbh,,,, i actualy love the fiesta ST better but i would fit the volvo engine to is and have a PROPER beast
and it would be a 5 speed box "chucked in" cause they cant get the 6 speed to be reliable either
but the reliable 6 speed then got now
14-01-2006, 07:44 PM
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well i think you will all find out, that ford will re use the rs badge again the st will be used for main stream performance cars like the old xr was and the more radical and track minded cars will have the rs on the back and we will see an other rs badge on a focus, might not be this year but soon 
the st will be used for main stream performance cars like the old xr was and the more radical and track minded cars will have the rs on the back and we will see an other rs badge on a focus, might not be this year but soon
14-01-2006, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Dunccoss
well i think you will all find out, that ford will re use the rs badge again the st will be used for main stream performance cars like the old xr was and the more radical and track minded cars will have the rs on the back and we will see an other rs badge on a focus, might not be this year but soon
the st will be used for main stream performance cars like the old xr was and the more radical and track minded cars will have the rs on the back and we will see an other rs badge on a focus, might not be this year but soon you heard this or you wishing and assuming that ford still have the same ideas about cars as they did in the 80's
there going skint mate and its REALLY hitting em hard, there on panic stations right now and another non selling RS aint what they want
14-01-2006, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Kev.H
b19bal they didnt do that much work Volvo did it 
ps totally agree about FRS interior 
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ps totally agree about FRS interior :
Cant compare the two cars IMO the Focus RS was made to see if there was still interest in the brand and to give Ford some cred. It's a great thrash/weekend car.
The ST is a mass produced car that will make a profit. It's a day to day and boy is it a good one. If i was spending my own cash on a car to do 20k miles a year in out of the two there is only one choice.....
I wouldnt mind betting that if two standard examples of a ST and an RS met on a real road, say in mid wales, then neither would put much distance on the other one.
