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Old 10-01-2006, 10:29 PM
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I have a brand new turbo t3 stage 1 it’s not even done 500 miles and I have oil all over my gearbox and black brunt oil on the bottom of my turbo.





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Old 10-01-2006, 10:54 PM
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Hears is a bit more info to help.
The car is running 1 bar of boost.
The black burnet oil on the turbo is on the exhaust side of the turbo.

Thanks Ollie
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rear oil seals leaking imo , have seen this before,if you take it off and remove the exh housing it will be full of oil.
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yep, like Tim says...
3 choices...

1, Exhaust end seal is not working as it should for some reason (damage etc),
2, Oil pressure in the centre bearing housing is too high, forcing oil through the exhaust seal.
3, There is a restriction in the oil drain path causing oil to back up into the bearing housing and hence causing excess bearing housing pressure..
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ye[ i agree with you two guys
Old 11-01-2006, 08:04 AM
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Thanks for that Tim and richm.
I agree with that two GARETH T
So it looks like its time to remove this turbo.
Old 11-01-2006, 08:20 AM
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maybe check the oil return path first, make sure it is free of obstruction, kinked pipes etc....
Old 11-01-2006, 08:22 AM
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Oliver your just trying to beat my record of how long between a new turbo being fitted and taken off again

I think your zorst housing has done that can not cope lol
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If no oil return restrictions, its highly likely the turbochargers rear seal is buggered. Have you not noticed it smokes?
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I was following him last night never see any smoke Stu...... That Turbo hasn't even done 500 miles yet
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No restrictions that I know of in the down pipe I checked that when fitting the turbo.
I have not noticed any smoke but I do have some oil in my exhaust.
Faye did you see any smoke last night?
I don’t think I want to be the record holder on this one Faye turbos are not cheap
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Faye you replied before I asked you the question
Btw are you off work today?
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Not restrictions in the DOWNPIPE.. in the OIL RETURN TO SUMP pipe

Its common that you kink it upon refitting, or even the layers seperate and its blocked inside.

Last option is badly blocked breather. Does she blow oil cap off ever?
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Im Psychic lol Yes I am


Could having a exhaust housing thats to small for the spec and restricting the car cause this?

PS everything is brand new on this car Stu, Turbo, breather hoses, oil return etc
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Sorry that’s what I mean. I checked the oil return with my finger and then carefully poked a screwdriver in the hole and it wiggled up and down fine.
I have a bally oil breather fitted and my oil cap has never blown off.

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Originally Posted by sexy-aRSe
Could having a exhaust housing thats to small for the spec and restricting the car cause this?
No, the differential pressure would make it LESS likely to do this.
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Originally Posted by Ollie MK5 Turbo
Sorry that’s what I mean. I checked the oil return with my finger and then carefully poked a screwdriver in the hole and it wiggled up and down fine.
I have a bally oil breather fitted and my oil cap has never blown off.

Thanks Ollie
Looking very likley the Turbo is duff.
Presumably you primed the oil system before connecting the oil supply pipe and running the engine?
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Yes i primed the oil system and then connected the turbo up.
Turbo is now comming off tonight and going back to the company who made it.
Thanks for your help stu
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Originally Posted by Ollie MK5 Turbo
Thanks for your help stu
Your Welcome, best of luck.

Hope you dont hear it was oil contamination as usual.
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What is oil contamination?
The oil i am using is Mobil 1 15W-50.
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oil contamination is the reason that turbo companies usually give for turbo failure, no matter what the actual problem is
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Originally Posted by bud-weis
oil contamination is the reason that turbo companies usually give for turbo failure, no matter what the actual problem is
Sadly true of many.
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Originally Posted by bud-weis
oil contamination is the reason that turbo companies usually give for turbo failure, no matter what the actual problem is
Sadly true of many.
Is there a way of dis-proving their diagnosis then? I know they all say oil contamination as a get out but can you prove them wrong?
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Stu,
Do you have experience of what exactly happens when the seal fails to cause this kind of problem?
ie. can the journal bearings be ok and the seal (assuming piston ring type exhaust seal) still leak? - obviously if the journal bearing wears it will let the shaft and hence the seal ring move around too much..

I can only imagine a couple of conditions -
1, the seal ring breaks, or
2, the bearing housing is worn or damaged so the seal ring can't seat properly and/or has excessive end-gap...

Do you have any experience of staggered-gap exhaust end piston ring seals? are they significantly better, they seem like they should be..?
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Turbo is now off the car and was sent back today.
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