do any fords have ECU datalogging?
08-01-2006, 06:19 PM
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do any fords have ECU datalogging?
gotta take my car back to the dealers because it has some problems.
(incidently as fookin typical these seem much much better than last week so they will say there aint a problem grrrrrrrrr)
just wondered if they will be able to tell what revs, speeds etc the car has been up to or anything about how it has been treated?
i've taken care of it i.e. waiting till it was warm before giving any grief etc... but other than that i've driven hard it to about 95% of its performance capability rather frequently! lol
its a 05 plate focus btw
(incidently as fookin typical these seem much much better than last week so they will say there aint a problem grrrrrrrrr)
just wondered if they will be able to tell what revs, speeds etc the car has been up to or anything about how it has been treated?
i've taken care of it i.e. waiting till it was warm before giving any grief etc... but other than that i've driven hard it to about 95% of its performance capability rather frequently! lol
its a 05 plate focus btw
08-01-2006, 06:59 PM
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TF Rallyesport, yours isnt a typical ford ecu is it Tim 
To answer the original question....
Generally NO they dont data log the sort of things you are worried about.
Only diagnostic information to aid fault finding is logged plus a few bits
like run time hours.
So that may be of help to you when you take it in.
To answer the original question....
Generally NO they dont data log the sort of things you are worried about.
Only diagnostic information to aid fault finding is logged plus a few bits
like run time hours.
So that may be of help to you when you take it in.
08-01-2006, 07:15 PM
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i think you will find that IF ford have decided to utilise the whole of the EOBD system freeze frame data can be obtained for recent fault tables.
when i was at nissan we had freeze frame right from MY 1999(edited cause this sounds like a lot of data logging 7 years worth !!! , if the MIL cam of a picture was taken of the car ( ecu data) in milliseconds of what the behaviour of the car was when the fault occured. then it would log the consequent info for the then next 30 mins or till ign off sequence.
was great for diagnosis/replication of faults, was even better for proving lying customers
so - when your engine stopped (rod through block) you where ' at 25mph in fifth just cruising along and it just stopped'
yeh right - data log show '110mph and the selection of 2nd gear then a momentary 10,000 rpm ' sorry but this isnt warranty
worked plenty of times
this is all EOBD but not many manufacturers take the advantage - vw group for one - have the worst diagnosis system EVER !
when i was at nissan we had freeze frame right from MY 1999(edited cause this sounds like a lot of data logging
7 years worth !!! , if the MIL cam of a picture was taken of the car ( ecu data) in milliseconds of what the behaviour of the car was when the fault occured. then it would log the consequent info for the then next 30 mins or till ign off sequence.was great for diagnosis/replication of faults, was even better for proving lying customers
so - when your engine stopped (rod through block) you where ' at 25mph in fifth just cruising along and it just stopped'
yeh right - data log show '110mph and the selection of 2nd gear then a momentary 10,000 rpm ' sorry but this isnt warranty
worked plenty of times
this is all EOBD but not many manufacturers take the advantage - vw group for one - have the worst diagnosis system EVER !
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Mark you are correct. Ford do utilise the freeze frame data facility on their
EOBD implementaion but this data is very limited and does NOT record all
data only that which is associated with the fault.
Unless of course the fault is with the road speed sensor input....
EOBD implementaion but this data is very limited and does NOT record all
data only that which is associated with the fault.
Unless of course the fault is with the road speed sensor input....
08-01-2006, 07:25 PM
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Mark you are correct. Ford do utilise the freeze frame data facility on their
EOBD implementaion but this data is very limited and does NOT record all
data only that which is associated with the fault.
Unless of course the fault is with the road speed sensor input....
EOBD implementaion but this data is very limited and does NOT record all
data only that which is associated with the fault.
Unless of course the fault is with the road speed sensor input....
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08-01-2006, 07:31 PM
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markk,
Surprised at that although it will vary for different models and engine types.
I have done much software development for a well known automotive
diagnostics company in this exact area for EOBD and engine analyser
products but that was over 2 years ago now so am out of touch a bit !
TF Rallyesport,
Oh, just realised, Ford now own part of the parent company that owns
PECTEL so your original comment is technically valid - Just
Surprised at that although it will vary for different models and engine types.
I have done much software development for a well known automotive
diagnostics company in this exact area for EOBD and engine analyser
products but that was over 2 years ago now so am out of touch a bit !
TF Rallyesport,
Oh, just realised, Ford now own part of the parent company that owns
PECTEL so your original comment is technically valid - Just
08-01-2006, 07:34 PM
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[quote="SECS"]markk,
Surprised at that although it will vary for different models and engine types.
I have done much software development for a well known automotive
diagnostics company in this exact area for EOBD and engine analyser
products but that was over 2 years ago now so am out of touch a bit !
it does vary for diff manufacturers - as for the nissan brand the newer the car got the more data was stored ! ive been left there now for nearly 3 years
Surprised at that although it will vary for different models and engine types.
I have done much software development for a well known automotive
diagnostics company in this exact area for EOBD and engine analyser
products but that was over 2 years ago now so am out of touch a bit !
it does vary for diff manufacturers - as for the nissan brand the newer the car got the more data was stored ! ive been left there now for nearly 3 years
08-01-2006, 07:57 PM
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that sounds really good on the nissans.
i remember we had a GT TDi at work which the bloke came in saying it wasn't running right, plugged it in, "excessive use of rpm" was the code, fault was a bent con rod!
i remember we had a GT TDi at work which the bloke came in saying it wasn't running right, plugged it in, "excessive use of rpm" was the code, fault was a bent con rod!
08-01-2006, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by James
that sounds really good on the nissans.
i remember we had a GT TDi at work which the bloke came in saying it wasn't running right, plugged it in, "excessive use of rpm" was the code, fault was a bent con rod!
i remember we had a GT TDi at work which the bloke came in saying it wasn't running right, plugged it in, "excessive use of rpm" was the code, fault was a bent con rod!
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oh well have to see what happens.
as its a warranty claim to fix it they will no doubt test drive it, say it is fine and do nothing!
i had a good blast in it early and the vibration that felt like warped discs before seems to of seriously gone down. only really got a significant feeling when lightly braking at 95 lol doubt they'll test that.
its not smoking anywhere near as bad either, still whank on fuel though.
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Originally Posted by SECS
TF Rallyesport,
Oh, just realised, Ford now own part of the parent company that owns
PECTEL so your original comment is technically valid - Just
Oh, just realised, Ford now own part of the parent company that owns
PECTEL so your original comment is technically valid - Just
1999 November 24 Ford Motor Company [U.K.] announces that it will purchase the Pi Group, a leading supplier of high-technology electronics to the automotive industry.
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oh well its been at ford since Monday!
theyve changed the discs and pads as they were warped and the EGR valve but that hasnt cleared the faults that are showing for the smoking so who knows!!
got a poxy 1.2 corsa hire car now! :wall: had a focus ghia with what seemed like a bleeding PC monitor in it - hope they do it quick.
anyone any ideas - black smoke when on boost what could of gone wrong?
theyve changed the discs and pads as they were warped and the EGR valve but that hasnt cleared the faults that are showing for the smoking so who knows!!
got a poxy 1.2 corsa hire car now! :wall: had a focus ghia with what seemed like a bleeding PC monitor in it - hope they do it quick.
anyone any ideas - black smoke when on boost what could of gone wrong?
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Originally Posted by markk
Originally Posted by James
that sounds really good on the nissans.
i remember we had a GT TDi at work which the bloke came in saying it wasn't running right, plugged it in, "excessive use of rpm" was the code, fault was a bent con rod!
i remember we had a GT TDi at work which the bloke came in saying it wasn't running right, plugged it in, "excessive use of rpm" was the code, fault was a bent con rod!
Just interested!
Cheers,
Andy
11-01-2006, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by markk
Originally Posted by James
that sounds really good on the nissans.
i remember we had a GT TDi at work which the bloke came in saying it wasn't running right, plugged it in, "excessive use of rpm" was the code, fault was a bent con rod!
i remember we had a GT TDi at work which the bloke came in saying it wasn't running right, plugged it in, "excessive use of rpm" was the code, fault was a bent con rod!
Just interested!
Cheers,
Andy
11-01-2006, 08:19 PM
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i'd take a stab in the dark that it's over-fuelling which would also account for your fuel consumption problems.
i don't really know how the tdci system works fully as i've not seen one broken down so never had to fix it, but again another stab in the dark, possibly faulty temp sensor telling the ecu it's cold thus adding more fuel?
i don't really know how the tdci system works fully as i've not seen one broken down so never had to fix it, but again another stab in the dark, possibly faulty temp sensor telling the ecu it's cold thus adding more fuel?
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