TIFF

Can someone explain for me please

Stu.H

firewire is just another connection like usb, only a LOT faster at transferring the data.

TIFF

So it is just a case of plugging the firewire into the i-pod and then into the pc................job done???

Stu.H

yes mate, as long as you have a firewire port.

Fagin

I *think* USB2.0 is now faster then FireWire though.

Principal is the same though... still a connection that your PC will pick up via the relevant software.

TIFF

Stu

Firewire port?????????????
Have i got one

Shaun

USB 2.0 ?????????

Excuse my lack of pc knowledge but WTF is that

Fagin

Firstly.....

I always thought that Firewire was the MAC interface????

Secondly.....

If you havent got a USB port, your PC must be out of Warwick Museum!!!



Get on google you tramp....... my IT consultancy is triple time on Boxing Day!

TIFF

I have about 6 usb ports on my PC but i didnt know if the 2.0 was a new port or something

DanRSturbo

USB is new so to speak, how old is your PC, chances are, you have 2 x US2.0 ports and the rest are normal USB. If it's a fairly new board, there may be a firewire port in there.

TIFF

Whats a firewire port look like???

How can i tell the difference between the 2 usb ports??

Fagin

Tiff,

YOU LAZY FOOKING COOOOOOOOONT!!!



Firewire is highlighted and the USB ports are just above it in the pic!

YOU DONKEY!!

Fagin

USB and USB2.0 are the same port type. You will only know if any ports are USB2.0 based on what you're PC spec is (ie READ YOUR FOOOOKING MANUAL).

TIFF

Shaun

I have a firewire port on the front....Cheers fella

As for the USB ports...............I know what they are you muppet.
I wanted to know if the USB 2.0 that you mentioned was different to the usual USB ports

Stu.H

cant u get this?



mark, im 95% positive ur usb ports will be 2.0

warleydaddy

Any i pod probs Tiff,just ask me mate,im SHIT hot on them!!!!!!!

Pete...

TIFF

Stu

Cheers Fella

TIFF

kjc300

iTrader: (1)

Yeah, right!!!!!

Remember this!!!!!......

Smit

iTrader: (5)

I do indeed Class!

Fastmaul

OMG!!

Fagin, Firewire is the name I think mostly used by MAC peeps, Sony calls their's iLink, and others just in general iee3344454 or some shite like that LOL.
USB 2.0 can be quicker then firewire, but depends on which one you talk about. Firewire 400 or 800.

Sorry, just thought I'd confuse you lot more. LOL.

Wazzzer

I've run out of USB ports on the back on my PC so I've used the Firewire cable, seems to be quick enough

andy_st200

was originally but if your serious about video editing youll be using firewire..


oh and as for usb2 being faster than firewire.. read this: http://www.computervideogear.com/dig...ire-vs-usb.htm

firewire is still the daddy

andyhardy

Definitely use firewire if you can - much quicker!

I remember first connecting my DV camera to my PC via USB2.0 and was thinking to myself why the hell is this taking so long and why is the software reducing the quality! Once I got a firewire card for my PC I never looked back

Andy

Jim Galbally

remember guys, firewire was DESIGNED for digital video transfers (high bandwith)

USB was designed for keyboards, mice, and printers
oh, and it's about 100x faster than the RS232 interface it replaced, so don't give i such a hard time

TIFF

So to use firewire all i have to do is install the software and plug it in???

andy_st200

if your using XP you just need to install a firewire card and thats it.. its supported straight out the box

TIFF

Where abouts does that fit and will it come with the firewire or do i get it seperate?

andyhardy

PCI card Tiff - usually comes with a firewire lead with the smaller plug at the end for plugging into cameras or your iPod etc.

If you're lucky it'll come with some OEM video editing software too for use with a DV camcorder

Cheers,

Andy

TIFF

Andy

Something like this then????

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PCI-8-PORT-POR...QQcmdZViewItem

andyhardy

Correctamundo!

TIFF

Then i just remove the cover of the tower and remove the card with has the USB ports in at the moment....and replace it will that one???

andyhardy

Correct again!

TIFF

Fuck me, i am getting good at this PC lark

Thanks Alot Andy

Thrush

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Tiff, I'm guessing you've had your head up your bum for the past year or so right?

Here : to the left in the pic are 2 USB sockets, and to the right are two types of Firewire sockets (USB also comes in two types of plug aswell, not shown in picture tho)



USB = Universal Serial Bus usually denoted with the symbol

Firewire = IEEE1394, and is usually denoted by the symbol

Difference is;

USB, which stands for Universal Serial Bus, is a high-speed serial standard that, along with FireWire, has almost totally replaced the ordinary serial and parallel standards that have been used in PCs since the 1980s.

In theory, up to 127 devices can be connected to a single USB port on a computer's motherboard, using only one of a computer's 16 or 23 Interrupt Requests (IRQs), either by daisy-chaining them together, or by using a USB hub, which itself has a number of USB ports.

The hub can have its own power source, or draw its power through the computer to which it is attached. To avoid power problems, a powered hub is the best choice. Seven peripherals can be attached to each USB hub. One of these peripherals can be a second hub to which up to another seven peripherals can be connected, and the second hub can be attached to a third hub, etc..

Along with its data-transfer lines, a USB cable carries a 5 volt power supply so that small devices, such as handheld scanners or speakers, do not have to have their own sources of power.

The data transfer speeds of the two standards are now almost the same. The difference remaining between FireWire and USB 2.0 is that USB 2.0 is still a host-based standard - the devices must be connected via a computer in order to communicate. But FireWire is a peer-to-peer standard, which means that the devices can be connected without going through a computer.

For example, two FireWire cameras or camcorders can communicate with each other without being connected to a computer. A camcorder (an analog or digital video camera) can also send and analog or digital video data to a computer in real time, which means there is enough bandwidth available so that the data is not compressed or error-corrected by hardware or software - the digital video input (or copies of it) can be brought to the screen with perfect digital clarity.

Usually a FireWire connection is used on current computers to allow camcorders to have full control of fast-forward, rewind, and other playback options. A USB connection is usually used to copy still images from the camcorder to the computer. A digital camcorder is a superior to an analog camcorder, because there is no analog-to-digital or digital-to-analog conversion involved, therefore the compression process is less involved. Note that at present even digital camcorders can usually only produce stills of poor quality, largely because of the low-resolution images produced by the Charge-Coupled Device (CCD). But progress is so fast that this situation may well not exist very soon and a camcorder will be able to replace a digital camera. Indeed, it may well be that the manufacturers want to sell both products, so maybe camcorders have been purposefully made so that they can't produce quality still images.

The first of the following two images shows a close-up view of a USB connector plug that connects a USB device to a computer. The second image shows a bank of two USB ports found on all fairly recent motherboards. If it is an elderly computer, its motherboard will have a bank of USB 1.1 ports. Most computers manufactured recently have USB 2.0 (USB2) ports. Computers made during the transition between USB 1.1 and USB 2.0 could have motherboards with both types of USB port. Notebook/laptop computers that cost around Ł1,200 can have 2, 3, or 4 USB ports, but cheaper models may only have a single USB port, so if you need to make use of more than one USB port at the same time, make sure that you buy a model that has the required number of ports

The latest FireWire implementation is much faster than USB 1.1, and quite a bit faster than USB 2.0, but FireWire is not yet nearly as prevalent as USB. - A situation that is might change in FireWire's favour over the next few years, because Microsoft originally intended to support FireWire and not to support USB in Windows XP. Then it eventually gave in to the pressure and included support for USB in Windows XP.

Why Microsoft took this line so soon is difficult to understand, because the USB connection - for hooking up a PC to printers, scanners, digital cameras, CD burners, modems, and every other kind of peripheral - has become the most successful interface in the history of personal computers. So much so that USB is shared by both Apple and Windows-based PCs.

Moreover, USB 2.0 will come under renewed attack, because a newer version of FireWire that is twice as fast as USB 2.0 and its own forerunner, known as IEEE 1394b (or FireWire 800 because of its 800Mbps transfer rate), will soon be available on PCI cards and motherboards.

If you use several USB devices, such as printer(s), external drives, a scanner, etc., you can connect them to a USB switch that allows you to choose which of the devices you want active or switched off. The Belkin 4-Port USB Switch can be used together with a USB hub to connect a set of single peripherals to several computers, or connect several computers to a single peripheral USB device.


Note well that USB and FireWire (IEEE 1394) support hot docking, which allows a USB device to be plugged into the motherboard while the computer is running. Windows will then load the appropriate driver automatically.

This should never be done with other devices that are attached directly to the motherboard, such as a parallel printer or a keyboard. To attach devices that do not support hot docking, the computer must be switched off, otherwise the sudden extra load on the motherboard could destroy it.

In any case, Windows will not be able to load the appropriate drivers for non-USB devices without being rebooted. However, a standard 33.6K or 56K dial-up modem can be connected to a telephone line while the computer is running, because the extra load is small, and it is dealt with by the modem's circuitry, not the motherboard's. But don't ever try it with a printer or a scanner.

Note that unlike serial and parallel ports, USB ports can deliver power to USB devices, so, unless the device is particularly power hungry, it will not require an external power supply.

This feature has caused problems with certain USB modems that draw more power than the USB port can supply, and hence fail while accessing the Internet. So, if you are having connection problems with a USB modem, have a look at its manufacturer's website to find out if it lists the likely causes.

Remember always to only purchase devices the manufacturer's of which have websites. You will then be able to obtain driver updates, and find out about any problems with that device.

Note that a battery-powered computer that uses Advanced Power Management (APM) or Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) may experience increased power consumption that leads to a more rapid discharge of battery power when a USB device is attached to it.


That enough for you?

Stu.H

tiff

your current usb/firewire will be ON BOARD.

why do you need more firewire ports?



im gonna re-read the post as ive prolly read summat spacky

Jim Galbally

nice copy n paste thrush

Stu.H

nope re-read it.

TIFF

Stu

So with my PC as it is now, is it just a case of plug in the firewire and off i go

Fuck me, how confused am i now

Stu.H

apmsl

PERSONALLY ive never used firewire, it seems there are 2 different sized firewire ports you can get.

Just check the cable that comes with the IPOD and make sure its the same size as the one on the front of ur tower.

THEN it shud be all gravy

TIFF