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good article
just to comment on some of the things said
it's debatable what effect a moving floor really has, at normal road speeds, say less than 100mph. but i certainly agree with the airflow. That's why our rolling road looks like this:
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note the nozzle for the airflow, that covers the frontal area up to a speed of 110 kmh
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to get that airflow, you require a rather large blower
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and a 200 kW motor to drive it
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agree entirely, that is why we can control the temperature and relative humidity in our test cell between 0 and 50 Degrees C.
this test facility is available for hire, at a cost of 3500 Euro per day. unfortunately, the dyno's are only rated to 250 BHP each, which is easily enough for what we do (air conditioning testing). if there would be enough demand to use the test facility for mapping or power runs, we would look at uprating them.
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just to comment on some of the things said
2. There are no rolling roads that can properly simulate the airflow normally achieved on the open road through the intercooler and radiator. Proper cooling simulation would require a moving floor and variable speed fans (as found in professional wind tunnels). Some rolling roads do a better job than others, using high-powered centrifugal fans. Others just have a single axial flow low-pressure unit. On occasion this is just aiming at the intercooler and not. producing flow through it. Proper flow through the intercooler is critical in order to simulate normal running conditions a 10 degree increase in charge temperature can cause a considerable loss in power
![](https://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/foreigners/climatic%20chamber/Image554.jpg)
note the nozzle for the airflow, that covers the frontal area up to a speed of 110 kmh
![](https://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/foreigners/climatic%20chamber/Image555.jpg)
to get that airflow, you require a rather large blower
![](https://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/foreigners/climatic%20chamber/Image556.jpg)
and a 200 kW motor to drive it
![](https://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/foreigners/climatic%20chamber/Image557.jpg)
5. Most rolling roads "correct" the measured bhp to a din standard for atmospheric pressure and temperature (and some don't bother!). The purpose of this correction factor is to allow for example a comparison between a five deg C winter day power run and a 25deg C summer day power run. The cooler air in winter being denser will (all else equal) produce more power than the 25 degree summer air. The din calculation compensates for the different air density and corrects all results to reflect what would have been achieved on a standard temperature and pressure day. This correction works well on normally aspirated cars but is inappropriate to turbo charged cars.The rollers which do not compensate are likely to read high results in winter and low results in summer. The din calculation looks at only air inlet temperature. There are however, two temperatures that affect a turbo cars output - air inlet temperature at the filter intake and air temperature after intercooler (charge temp) The air temperature at the filter does not affect the turbo car in the same way as it does in a non-turbo car. This is due to the turbochargers ability to partially compensate by spinning faster and still compressing the same amount of air regardless of temperature. There is however, a price to pay for this in increased exhaust gas back pressure and higher turbo discharge temperature which is dependant on density recovery in the intercooler. The air temperature after the intercooler will normally be higher on a rolling road due to the reduced cooling airflow. Depending on the ECU this may or may not be compensated for in the fuel and ignition maps. Power output will be reduced as a result. It is not uncommon to see a 40 degree c rise in charge temperature on a rolling road run. This is not compensated for within the rolling road software. Some ECU's have there own internal compensations to adjust boost pressure in relation to atmospheric pressure and temperature. This also is not considered in the rolling road din correction factor.
this test facility is available for hire, at a cost of 3500 Euro per day. unfortunately, the dyno's are only rated to 250 BHP each, which is easily enough for what we do (air conditioning testing). if there would be enough demand to use the test facility for mapping or power runs, we would look at uprating them.
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Yer thats a flocking massive fan!! I sell large industrial centrifugal fans all day long and very rarely get enquiries for anything as large as that!!! What was the design duty (Airflow @ Pressure) for the fan??
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Originally Posted by NeilFromNorfolkNoCar
Yer thats a flocking massive fan!! I sell large industrial centrifugal fans all day long and very rarely get enquiries for anything as large as that!!! What was the design duty (Airflow @ Pressure) for the fan??
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Maybe one like that is what we need??
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Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
Originally Posted by NeilFromNorfolkNoCar
Yer thats a flocking massive fan!! I sell large industrial centrifugal fans all day long and very rarely get enquiries for anything as large as that!!! What was the design duty (Airflow @ Pressure) for the fan??
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Maybe one like that is what we need??
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Originally Posted by GARETH T
i would bloody hate too be paying the electricity bill ![Surprised](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/bigcry.gif)
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Maybe you could do midnight mapping sessions to take advantage of economy 7!
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i would bloody hate too be paying the electricity bill ![Surprised](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/bigcry.gif)
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Maybe you could do midnight mapping sessions to take advantage of economy 7!
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i was going too work out running costs,, but i dont know standard unit prices
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Originally Posted by NeilFromNorfolkNoCar
Yer thats a flocking massive fan!! I sell large industrial centrifugal fans all day long and very rarely get enquiries for anything as large as that!!! What was the design duty (Airflow @ Pressure) for the fan??
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