Im always spot on with coppers whenever im pulled - Get straight out the car and ask if there's a problem officer ect ect

bite your tounge and be as nice as pie works for me

once when i was younger i had a bad attitude like Chip and the copper went over my car with a fine tooth combe - never found nowt - he then must of had a word with his mates as i kept getting pulled every other week

Just be frigging helpful - there only doing there job

 

Wasnt atttempting to make myself look big or clever, merely get home and get on with my night.

IME once you start answering questions they keep you chatting for ages, and i didnt wish to be kept chatting for ages.

Anyway, it wasnt asking me the questions that i felt was doing something wrong, they have the right to try and socialise just as much as i have the right not to want to do so, what annoyed me was her feeling that the fact she wanted to socialise and i didnt would be good grounds for a compeltely uneeded roadside MOT or similar.

 

I got pulled on the M1 once, had Dave and a couple of mates in the car, got out, went and sat in the back of the car, meanwhile other copper is chatting to Dave and passengers

Dave:whats the charge then officer
Cop: well depending on his attitude, just his plates, if he plays up though he will get done for speeding too
Dave: oh


I got a 30 quid fine for my plates and told to slow down as they had me recorded as doing 84-86 MPH (the flow of the traffic )

simple as that... because I wasnt a knob I kept clear of 3 points

 

Other way round for me, always used to answer absolutely any question i was asked but found that all that happened was they were constantly looking for faults and glitches that didnt exist in what i was saying and end up keeping you there for ages when you are trying to get on with your life, i find just answering the questions you have to and then going on your way works better for me.

 

chip-3door

Stop using the word socialise, she was wrong to use that (or right whichever way you look at it) she was hardly going to say "I'm only chatting to you to guage your attitude/demeanour and asses wheter you are legit or not", besides, if you were waiting for info to come back over radio, what hardship is it, to be civil while you wait??

 

I didnt direct it AT you, it was in response to what you wrote, which was factually wrong. Advice like yours doesn't help anyone, especially when it's wrong. Please drop the attitude with me, you will only make yourself look stupid.

 

you were committing two offences you wanted to arsekiss your way out of, i was committing no offences at all, so slightly different situation.

 

Suprised by your attitude to them there Chip

I'm always as nice as possible myself, but then I haven't had to deal much with the police and maybe I'd be different if I had.

Did you not feel a little more inclined to be more friendly, after all it seems they stopped the car with concerns it had been stolen?

 

ill leave you to it as i cant even be arsed to argue with ya

 

I didnt WANT or HAVE to "Arsekiss" my way out of it.. I didnt know the copper said that to Dave, I was simply civil, had I have kicked up a stink about "pulling me go catch real criminals plates are readable etc etc" THEN I wouldve had the speeding taken into account also.. being CIVIL is NOT arsekissing Im afraid

 

there was no wait for anything on the radio, they had already done the check on my car before i was stopped and person check took seconds.

as i said, wether i was being friendly or not isnt the issue, it was her saying that not liking my personality and me not wishing to tell a total stranger things about my personal life which i didnt want to was grounds for wasting police resources that i had an issue with.

as ive said repeatedly, i understand they have a job to do, and i will happily help them in any way that is useful to them, her knowing what job i do is NOT useful to her and wont solve any crimes as i had done nothing wrong.

 

Well I`ll tell you what mate, put ya "picture" out of ya head cause ya way off the mark, Im not stupid enough to think that being smart with them gets you anywhere but it took me all of three seconds to realise he was gonna try n do me regardless so why not try and stick up for myself, and who the fuck mentioned anything about missing wrong turn offs

 

 

I have had some very bad experiences with the police in the past when i was wrongly accused by someone of soemthing that i hadnt done, i had a significant amount of evidence to prove that i was innocent, and they were completely unprepared to listen to it, but were quite happy to yank me out of my bed at 3am and keep me in a cell overnight and take me to court etc, every single thing i said to them was twisted and they attempted to use against me totally out of context because they had already decided they felt i was guilty when i wasnt.

Since then i have made the decision that i wont talk to them any more than i have to as it seems to be a better policy, my experience of them was that the more i helped them the more they hindered me.



Do ANY of you people who are saying i should be nicer actually agree that the fact i didnt want to engage in small talk with her meant it would have been justified to waste police resources without ANY suspicion of any wrongdoing whatsoever?

Cause if so im genuinely surprised that you feel that is professional of her.

 

Dual why

 

Some folk are dragged up not Brought up - Being Civil was drummed into me from my parents It's about respect IMO

 

Telling them to catch criminals when you WERE guilty of something would have sounded pretty silly IMHO

You broke a law, and its fair enough they stopped you, that was them doing their job properly IMHO

 

Go on Chip

 

Likewise, and i have always been exactly the same until i actually had more experience of interacting with the police and realised it was better to say as little as possible as it then gives them no ground to falsely accuse you of anything you havent done.

 

Hold on mate, are you saying me and Chip have been dragged up
I fucking hope not, Im sure I dont need to remind you that you dont know anything about me or my upbringing

 

No worries, if you had said single I was gonna lay into you about people getting in the wrong lanes at roundabouts (a pet hate of mine having to live in a city full of them)

 

Always make me laugh when I see tales/stories like these on here and its clear to see things arent exactly as made out!! As per usual some of the replies are just bewildering!!

I am in the courts quite a lot and some of the defences people put forward are just stupid. But they know the "law

The law looks at things in black & white, they do not care that your mothers granny`s, sisters fell in the north east breeze coming over from holland, they look at the circumstances and match it to an offence.

When you get your summons why not post it up word for word or scan it in?

 

I said REAL criminals.. mis-spaced plates dont constitute a criminal record my friend :P

 

Chip,

You're an intelligent educated person - as such, it surprises me that you could be so obtuse to not see yourself behaving like someone with a chip on their shoulder (excuse the pun).........

 

Yeah no problem Tony mate, but I would not waste my time writing all this if I had "altered " what realy happened would I

 

He is entitled to jump to incorrect conclusions if he wants to.

I was brought up as an extremely polite person, especially with regards to authority, who should respect the police, and thats how i used to treat them.
Its my experiences in adulthood that have changed my opinion regards to the police who have proven to me on several occasions that whilst on duty are not worth talking to, if i met the same woman in a pub and she asked me the same questions not wearing a police uniform i would have been quite happy to talk to her if i wasnt busy.

My attitude to them now is that i dont swear, and im not rude or arsey, i answer any question i believe useful to them in a polite manner, and i disengage myself from conversation with them as soon as possible and asnwer no questions i dont need to, it allows me to get on with my life and them to get on with their job.

 

It amazes me that NOT ONE of you people talking to me about my attitude has actually had the balls to say if you agree with me that she was unprofessional and painteed the police in a very bad light with what she said about me wanting not to talk to the police is good grounds for them wasting resources on me.

All she did was renforce my belief that most police officers appear to be in the force for the wrong reasons and with the wrong attitude.

 

Its your opinon that mis spaced plates and speeding dont constitute breaking the law, my opinion differes from that.

I dont neccesarily agree with some laws, but its police officers jobs to enforce laws wether they agree with them or not, so i would have respected why they pulled me over in your position just like i did in my own position.

They should NOT however treat you differently for being chatty to them and speeding to me being blunt with them and speeding if i were in the same position, they should make judgements on who to prosecute based on who is a risk to the public, not who they "like"

 

What!!! with you maybe chip but I was not dragged up, I gave as good as I got with him, Im sick of hearing all this"he was only doing his job shite as well" yes but not fucking properly, He was the aggresor not me, Thats like me saying I hang a door for someone and then they say how much do I owe you? Twenty quid you fucking skanky old bitch, Erm I dont think so mate, there was no need to shout at me , its the easiest way to get nothing done

 

I was not dragged up either, as ive said i was brought up by my parents to be polite with the police and answer any question they asked.

Its only the police that have since changed my attitude on that.

 

play nice now people - or to the sinbin this thread will go

 

While I do see your point surely it does make sense to investigate anyone being purposely cagey about themselves?

But given your history/experience I can see why you act the way you do with them. You have clearly had a very different experience than most of us and I'm sorry to hear that happened.

 

I agree, it makes PERFECT sense to investigate anyone being cagey, hence she did the person check, i didnt feel offended that she did that, that check gave her all the information she needed about me, such as utterly no criminal record etc.

I do NOT think that pulling my car apart to try and find some minor infringement because she "didnt like my attitude" as opposed to because she has any ground to suspect that anything is wrong with it is in anyway justified, DO YOU?

 

By the way, my own opinion of the original subject of the thread is that both Mr brannen with his swearing and the shouting police officer behaved unreasonabley in an interaction between a police officer doing his job and a member of the public.

 

I did say on page one, she was wrong in what she said about traffic etc etc

 

No not justified at all Chip and unprofessional to say that to you. You clearly put them on the back foot and they probably regretted what they said right away. I do agree with you. And now understand why you refused to answer questions they didn't have the right to demand answers to.

Out of interest is it ok to record any conversations with the police on a phone or something without them being made aware of it?

 

 

NO chip YOU need to read what I wrote... NOT once have I said I DID NOT break the law NOR did I say they wasnt justified in nicking me.. I gave an "Example" as to how "Some" people may react to getting pulled on the M1 for their plates... NOT ME... if IT was me I would have got done for speeding too, THAT was my point

 

Don't think I've ever met a copper that wasn't a cunt.

Usually I'm trying to wriggle my way out of something so have to eat humble pie

It was funny making 'em chase me on bikes tho Although now I'm old and spineless I'd probably just pull over these days

 

I think the point was, I was only driving at the same speed as everyone, else, they just wanted to give me a ticking off IMO (it was on the way to Nat day, so they proob just wanted everyone else going up to seee me stopped on the hard shoulder as an example etc etc)... fair enough... they were pleasant enough to me..