how much do tuners on here charge for setups?
17-11-2005, 06:52 PM
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how much do tuners on here charge for setups?
basically want the 200 set up as i think its a touch rich atm and want it running sweet,its pretty tame power wise,just needs tweaking i think.
17-11-2005, 07:04 PM
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well there not much to adjust other than timing.
you just set the boost and make sure its not running lean (ie a normal RR session)
You may discover that certain things are on the way out i.e fuel pump or other parts. However you should need it set up as such.
Just set the boost to what ever is safe make sure your not detting I would think any of the tuners with a RR (or wideband gear) would be able to do it.
I think its around £40 for a RR session on organised days
you just set the boost and make sure its not running lean (ie a normal RR session)
You may discover that certain things are on the way out i.e fuel pump or other parts. However you should need it set up as such.
Just set the boost to what ever is safe make sure your not detting I would think any of the tuners with a RR (or wideband gear) would be able to do it.
I think its around £40 for a RR session on organised days
17-11-2005, 07:06 PM
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yup,thats the sort of thing im after,get it set up nicely so its good to drive, 40 quid sounds a tad cheap tho?thought it was closer to 120 odd?im just wondering what the tuners on the forum can do and at what price.
17-11-2005, 07:08 PM
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yeah,mine is about at the limit atm tbh but ill get a stg1 or 2 setup before i get it set up by a tuner,buy the chip,fit,then take it to someone who can check the afr etc.,..mines running 14psi peak atm,need a fcd at least next but ill go stg1 minimum
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17-11-2005, 07:09 PM
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well i just set the boost to 1bar on the pulsar (after fitting the exhaust and filter) Obviously i checked what the standard ecu could fuel up to on the stock map.
Did the fuel pump (as these can be a bit weak at 1bar) then just went to a RR day shootout to make sure it wasn't running lean at the top end that was £40
Did the fuel pump (as these can be a bit weak at 1bar) then just went to a RR day shootout to make sure it wasn't running lean at the top end that was £40
17-11-2005, 07:21 PM
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lol oh dear,yeah loads of options,stg1 chip filter fmic fuel pump exhaust 15psi is 230bhp,stg2 as above with t28 for 260bhp,then stg 3 has a z32 afm and bigger injectors and ideally a gtir turbo for 300 odd bhp at 18psi
17-11-2005, 07:38 PM
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You sure you can chip it? every Nissan ECU i know you would have to run a daughterboard and that would run in parralell with the standard ECU. you could run emanage to adjust ignition and fuel (that would just be a piggy back though) or a Power FC.
your just upping the boost really (no change of injectors etc) so a check up should be fine as i mentioned earlier to make sure your not running lean.
Ginge where did you pay £100-150 to check an s13 wasnt running lean?
edit for the z32 AFM and injectors you would need an SAFC or similar in which case that would be more involved
your just upping the boost really (no change of injectors etc) so a check up should be fine as i mentioned earlier to make sure your not running lean.
Ginge where did you pay £100-150 to check an s13 wasnt running lean?
edit for the z32 AFM and injectors you would need an SAFC or similar in which case that would be more involved
17-11-2005, 08:07 PM
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100 percent certain mate,you need to solder the chip in,but absolutely positively sure,here check this site out,look under products,s13 stg 1 2 and 3
http://www.h-dev.co.uk/
http://www.h-dev.co.uk/
17-11-2005, 08:08 PM
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for the z32 afm and bigger injectors (444cc/min from gtr) you just need to plug it in,and the chip is setup for it! no extra silly jap bling boxes required
17-11-2005, 08:16 PM
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their stage 12 and 3 products will be with a whole daughter board and chip i reckon soildered in not just a replacement chip 
sweet that you wont need the safc then with the daughterboard and chip though
sweet that you wont need the safc then with the daughterboard and chip though
17-11-2005, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by b19bal
Ginge where did you pay £100-150 to check an s13 wasnt running lean?
WHAT THE FUCK IS IT WITH EVERYONE AND THEM MUM QUESTIONING ME
you are telling me that a SET UP is the same as a POWER RUN
take a power run on the car thats all it is, a power run, a set up is when you actually work on the car and sort what ever tuning problems it might have ( aswell as checking other potential problems
prisim charge 100 quid plus vat for a set up, in that price there is NO MENTION or small print saying
* if you own a S13 and it dont actually need work doing to it then the price is 40 quid
if you book you car in for a MOT and it passes then do you not pay for it as its all fine
does any tuner ever get a car and find there no problem ( like a set of plugs needed blah blah)
im really starting ton find this fucking site hard work as anything thats asked when theres a reply theres always someone who pulls a comment i make yet when others do nothing but arse lick and repeat what they get fucking told even if theres others that go against the theory all you get is " you dont half talk shite ginge"
seriously show me 4 companys that charge 40 quid for a SET UP and i will show you 6 that will charge over a ton
First off i am not questioning you and secondly thats the point i am making you dont need a set up as there is fuck all to set up on the car just need to make sure its not running lean i.e on a power run as you have just said.
thirdly chill the fuck out where have i said your were talking shite?
forthly on a rr day at powerstation (which is what i was fucking talking about!) it was 40 and same on a RR day at PTS.
READ what i am saying before typing full on set up yes over a ton or whaever but i was saying you dont need a full on set up as there is fuck all to set up!
17-11-2005, 08:37 PM
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if you go to a rolling road for a power run you will get a power run with may be a quick check of fueling when under load.
this will cost about £40-£50.
if you go to a rolling road for a tune,you may not get any thing altered but they will check timing,fueling at more points on the map and not just flat out,check for det,check idle emission to name only a few.
so a power run will never be as good as a tune!!!!
and for us that dont use rollers we can still do just as many checks as a rolling road just we dont have to worry about upsetting people with figures be them to high or to low
this will cost about £40-£50.
if you go to a rolling road for a tune,you may not get any thing altered but they will check timing,fueling at more points on the map and not just flat out,check for det,check idle emission to name only a few.
so a power run will never be as good as a tune!!!!
and for us that dont use rollers we can still do just as many checks as a rolling road just we dont have to worry about upsetting people with figures be them to high or to low
17-11-2005, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Gary @ APT
if you go to a rolling road for a power run you will get a power run with may be a quick check of fueling when under load.
this will cost about £40-£50.
if you go to a rolling road for a tune,you may not get any thing altered but they will check timing,fueling at more points on the map and not just flat out,check for det,check idle emission to name only a few.
so a power run will never be as good as a tune!!!!
and for us that dont use rollers we can still do just as many checks as a rolling road just we dont have to worry about upsetting people with figures be them to high or to low
this will cost about £40-£50.
if you go to a rolling road for a tune,you may not get any thing altered but they will check timing,fueling at more points on the map and not just flat out,check for det,check idle emission to name only a few.
so a power run will never be as good as a tune!!!!
and for us that dont use rollers we can still do just as many checks as a rolling road just we dont have to worry about upsetting people with figures be them to high or to low
17-11-2005, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by SPADGE
Its only a Nissan Sylvia in a newer shape body so it isn't going to give you neck snapping acceleration mate
And S13s still with the CA18 running 9s in Japan
It has almost no interchangable parts with an S12 silvia either
(different engine too).I thin k the correct forum term is
Back to the point tho- IMO no point getting it checked as cant change the fueling. IMO if seems to be overfueling at idle due to the dumpvalve, the AFM isnt liking it, and any slight air leak after the AFM will cause overfueling off throttle.
And AFPMSL at Ginge spazzing out
17-11-2005, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by SPADGE
Its only a Nissan Sylvia in a newer shape body so it isn't going to give you neck snapping acceleration mate
cos er.....the silvia had a different engine in it! and it CAN give neck snapping acceleration
17-11-2005, 09:55 PM
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steve,nah,dump valve is off now,but drving around town it pops and bangs like a twat on gear changes unless your changing quick it pops all the time!!like overfuelling. might just be the exhaust,but just wanted it checked over for peace of mind really!
17-11-2005, 09:58 PM
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IMO it popping and banging tells you tis unlikley to be underfueling, so id not worry, job done
serious tho.
maybe its got the overrun fuel cut removed makng the pops n bangs, which frankly are normal on tuned cars, nothing big, waste of money getting it RR'd IMO
serious tho.
maybe its got the overrun fuel cut removed makng the pops n bangs, which frankly are normal on tuned cars, nothing big, waste of money getting it RR'd IMO
17-11-2005, 09:59 PM
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its thirsty as fook for what it is too!but a chip may sort this,i dunno!well fmic and bosch pump next,then stg1,and we'll see what it does then,oh and decat!
17-11-2005, 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by big_wig_074
Steve,nah,dump valve is off now,but drving around town it pops and bangs like a twat on gear changes unless your changing quick it pops all the time!!like overfuelling. might just be the exhaust,but just wanted it checked over for peace of mind really!
17-11-2005, 10:01 PM
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yeah,best way to stop it is to absolutely nail the fooker! if your slow on and off the throttle on changes you can guarantee a bang on change!sounds good!
17-11-2005, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SPADGE
Its only a Nissan Sylvia in a newer shape body so it isn't going to give you neck snapping acceleration mate
And S13s still with the CA18 running 9s in Japan
It has almost no interchangable parts with an S12 silvia either
(different engine too).I thin k the correct forum term is
Back to the point tho- IMO no point getting it checked as cant change the fueling. IMO if seems to be overfueling at idle due to the dumpvalve, the AFM isnt liking it, and any slight air leak after the AFM will cause overfueling off throttle.
And AFPMSL at Ginge spazzing out
Don't think the
was actually earned there Steve because they are basicly the same engine in those early 200's as was in the Sylvia. Obviously they can be tuned and modded but as far as i can gather Big Wigs hasn't been and thus won't feel quick as he pointed out it doesn't 
17-11-2005, 10:03 PM
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sounds like an air leak, faulty AFM, and so on, if its really overfueling.
fuck all that you will be able to change at a RR sesh.
all youl get is an "its overfueling mate" something you already knew
fuck all that you will be able to change at a RR sesh.
all youl get is an "its overfueling mate" something you already knew
17-11-2005, 10:04 PM
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lol
................your lambda sensor working? if not then the car will just revert to the ecu map and not use closed loop to control the off boost economy ( car will be thirsty too!)
unplug the sensor while the cars running and see if the mixture goes richer (you should be able to smell it from exhaust!)
or if you have a multi metre check it with that
................your lambda sensor working? if not then the car will just revert to the ecu map and not use closed loop to control the off boost economy ( car will be thirsty too!)
unplug the sensor while the cars running and see if the mixture goes richer (you should be able to smell it from exhaust!)
or if you have a multi metre check it with that
17-11-2005, 10:06 PM
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well thats like saying a cossie engine and a pinto are the same! in essence they are,but 16v as opposed to 8v is a bit of a difference!lol! but they both have pop up lights! mine is running 14 psi with a filter and exhaust so im guessing at circa 190-200bhp really!its enough when youve been driving a 1litre yaris for a year!sails past 120mph,very nice!still,stg1 will be good,stg2 even better!
17-11-2005, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Itsmeagain
Originally Posted by SPADGE
Its only a Nissan Sylvia in a newer shape body so it isn't going to give you neck snapping acceleration mate
And S13s still with the CA18 running 9s in Japan
It has almost no interchangable parts with an S12 silvia either
(different engine too).I thin k the correct forum term is
Back to the point tho- IMO no point getting it checked as cant change the fueling. IMO if seems to be overfueling at idle due to the dumpvalve, the AFM isnt liking it, and any slight air leak after the AFM will cause overfueling off throttle.
And AFPMSL at Ginge spazzing out
Don't think the
was actually earned there Steve because they are basicly the same engine in those early 200's as was in the Sylvia. Obviously they can be tuned and modded but as far as i can gather Big Wigs hasn't been and thus won't feel quick as he pointed out it doesn't The S13 has a 1.8 16v with a bigger turbo, intercooler, and generally more modern all round.
The only thing the engine has in common is its capacity and cyls.
You sid itd never give you neck snapping accel, you never said it wont at mo.
And mild tuning gives well over 200bhp, so Gregs wont be far off, not exactly slow.
Face it Spadge, you very wrong
17-11-2005, 10:07 PM
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dont know if it even has a lamda tbh,im not a oracle on these things!i thought a set up would solve any fuelling issues?dammit! oh well,back to the drawing board i spose,stg1 see whats up after that!
17-11-2005, 10:09 PM
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well thats like saying a cossie engine and a pinto are the same! in essence they are,but 16v as opposed to 8v is a bit of a difference!lol! but they both have pop up lights! mine is running 14 psi with a filter and exhaust so im guessing at circa 190-200bhp really!its enough when youve been driving a 1litre yaris for a year!sails past 120mph,very nice!still,stg1 will be good,stg2 even better!
17-11-2005, 10:10 PM
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if it has a cat it has a lambda sensor (as overfuling kills cats!) and if its a K plate (as it looks from your sig!) then it has a cat (as its 92>).
wont take two seconds to check (just unplug the multi plug to it)
wont take two seconds to check (just unplug the multi plug to it)
17-11-2005, 10:10 PM
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mine hasnt got a lambda sensor, i know that much. but as yours is a later model it might, i dunno, and nissans deffo do need it, GTRs run similar to how you describe when the lambdas are unplugged.
wont be easy to miss, have a look, plenty of room on that bit of engine bay.
actually maybe not, mines got room as my ABS is removed, you still got that ABS module thats the size of a 3bedroom semi, but still should be able to see it if not get to it.
wont be easy to miss, have a look, plenty of room on that bit of engine bay.
actually maybe not, mines got room as my ABS is removed, you still got that ABS module thats the size of a 3bedroom semi, but still should be able to see it if not get to it.