BlueSmoke

From the phone calls and things that people on the planes made to loved ones, it's obvious that they knew they were going to die so I too question why all the passengers didn't storm the hijackers. Sure a couple may have died but they would deffo have stopped them as a whole.

I know if I had been there there's nothing I would not have done to stop those bastards.

Less.

Why did the dinosaurs die was it an evil plots by the trees to rule the earth
Are non white humans aliens from other planets send here to spy the white
Was the titantic sunk for an insurance scam

There you go there some stupid fucking theory plots for yyer

Will thinking thes theorys bring back the people that died on the 9/11 no it wont nor will we ever fucking know lets all pray we never have the same shit happen gain

Good fucking night

Rich_w

Hey Its was really Elvis on a comeback mission to nam.


You bunch of schoolkids! IT happened FFS. People died FFS Havent you got anything better to do with your lives than talk shite and make up conspiracy theories!

Ginge !

hey this is interesting if you take ofence then dont read

if all people talk about this then people learn


is popeye really a white man with a sunbed addiction orrrrrrr,,,,,,,,,,,,,,













is he just a old umpalumpa and if ya look at his baby pictures he has green hair and with stress he went grey

James

You say they're all conspricy theories but how'd you know for sure the titanic wasn't sunk for the insurance? I know it sounds fooking daft but is there a 100% deffo reason it wasn't?

I am open to anything and don't discount anything until it can be proved it didn't happen like that.. i.e. Until someone offical can say with proof for sure Diana wasn't killed by the establishment this is what i shall believe! & who can prove Elvis isn't alvie and well for his age living in Manchester

Fastmaul

If I may, thoughts from someone who was "Actually There" and didn't watch it "live" on tv. I did see the first plane hit on TV, I then called Taryn who was in the bathroom to come watch, and to call her mate who works in tower one for Cantor Fitzgerald(No One survived from that company) she was a little worried because we tried calling, but it was busy! she called her mates house mate and the same thing they tried calling and it was busy(little to our knowledge, he was already dead) I live no more than 5 mins from Liberty State Park, it's directly across the WTC. I called my job and told them I would be late(since going to NYC from here was to go through WTC) I'm glad I was running late, cause as far as I'm concerned, I might of not been here with you good folks. I watched the buildings burn and the fighter jets fly overhead, I am nosey so I had my camera with me, and yes I have my own Pictures of the towers (I thought that later in life I would show them and say,"remember when they were hit by planes!!, I was wrong). myself with about 100 other people were watching when all of a sudden we heard this awful sound! the first tower started coming down! Taryn who was Next to me started screaming and crying, the other women fell to the floor and fainted, I was frozen with what was happening in front of me. I was so in shock! after all the people screaming and the police making everybody leave the park, I went a little closer on the other side of where i live, and there i watched the second one fall I then heard on the radio that the Pentagon was attacked! we were wondering WTF is happening!!!!!(didn't say it was a plane at the time) then in an instant the 2 fighter jets that were flying above us turned and left in supersonic speed! They say the passengers fought the terrorist, but I believe that it was shot down . The first couple of weeks it was hard to sleep with the fighter jets flying above. I went down the WTC a couple of days after it happend we (Taryn and I snuck in to get better looks) I wish i hadn't
Everything covered in Ash, and the Rank smell, it last for so long,
The tube is now reopen and we went back to our old routine of going through the WTC to get to work. I see it 5 days a week what those cowards did to the innocent people that day!

Now what do I think about the Pentagon?? it's supposed to of had been hit by a plane, I think it was, but not sure?

Bush and his fooking New World Order makes us Yanks look like complete Twats! I do believe that ALL goverments are Dirty! And some, but not all wars are because of Religion.

so that's it, oh, and BTW, that picture of that dude on top of the Tower as the plane approaches is false, people are so fucked up.

-Erik

This is where we watched the second one fall.

cosworth

Do you also realise that the F1 parade in London yesterday did NOT take place in reality. It was the government who staged it and the cars were really military undercover vehicles!!!

Of course it was a scam and the 250.000 people who watched it are payed by the government to tell the same story and all the media have just doctored all the images!!

Ian2wdsaffcos

just had a quick look at that 911review.org site & I gotta say the collapse of Building No. 7 is a bit weird to say the least! Not had chance to look at the other ones yet but will later.

MWF

Some pointers which tend to put rest to a lot of these theories.

The twin towers were poorly maintained, especially with regards to fire protection. A lot of families are seeking legal action against the towers owners as fire is beleived to be the main cause of their colapse. The pieces are currently being analyised on a small island off Manhatten.

A plane did not directly hit the Pentagon, eye witnesses saw a plane flying just above lampost height towards it but it pitched and hit the ground before impact. The only security camera footage realsed was caught from a security camera used to watch something else (an entry gate I think), hence the obstruction.

At the time of the attacks there were only 3 fighter jets in action protecting all of North America as it was considered unlikely an air attack could ever take place. These were given the command to shoot down any civilian passenger planes after the millitary went onto DEFCON 2. A jet was only about 10mins from intercepting the plane bound for Washington before it crashed.

The military were contacted by terrorists who left a message regarding the highly secret codename for AirForce 1 so president Bush was escorted by fighters, some of which wern't actually armed and ready to kamakasi into hi-jacked jets.

The Doomsday planes were launched which effectively meant America was prepared for war.

cosworth

And there was a good programme on Discovery that showed how the buildings were constructed and that this contributed to the buildings collapsing.

That is just part of the conspiracy of course so don`t believe it

I just can`t believe how easy it is to make up a conspiracy and have people believe it

This is what really happened:

Edited because of Fastmauls comments

MWF

I am a bit of a conspiracy freak, not that I like conspiracies themselves but the stuff people will invent fascinates me. One of my favourite 911 conspiracies involves remote control planes

Apparently it's all natural tho, we take stuff on the net as gospel and don't care about the credentials of the author and we love to think we know something more than your average person.

cosworth

As posted in my previous post....

Edited because of Fastmauls comments

BlackSaff

This is the biggest load of bollocks i've ever read!

You've heard from a man who was there???

It happened, people lost relatives, friends and colleauges FOR NO REASON yet you lot are insinuating it was staged or Setup.

All those who beleive the above, What a Joke. You lot make me sick!

GET A LIFE

cosworth

Hear, hear

AGAR-COSWORTH

Well i have to say, i did always wonder why there was never ever footage of plane wreckage that i could see about the pentagon building, but then again with it being such a highly important building i certainly wouldn't allow camera's to see everything.

As for the twin towers, once they were on fire there was no way they would keep standing, the metal framework supporting the whole building gave way due to fatique due to the high temps.

MWF

There are pics of plane debri by the Pentagon, infact there's one of a plane seat floating about the net and one of the jet engine that passed through the entire building.

EscortWRC

Maybe I should have taken some pictures when I drove by there and they were taking bits out and putting up the scaffolding to repair the parts where the plane hit.

It is true that the plane hit the ground by the building, but it also went partly into the building at the Pentagon.

Been there, seen it....

MWF

Yeah I didn't want to imply it didn't hit it, but a lot of these "Pentagon Conspiracy" stories come from the fact there was only a small hole in the side of the Pentagon when people don't appreciate it got hit by a plane that had effectively already crashed, which was fortunate to a lot of people in there.

EscortWRC

It didn't get 'center punched' like the towers, but it did get hit.

BTW, the towers did exactly what they were designed to do. The heat from all the burning fuel was not accounted for in the design (why would it be....??) and that is what ultimately led to their collapse.

Fastmaul

I have to say those pictures of the sugar gliders on the WTC if fucking stupid, and your an ass for putting it up there, I don't see what's funny about that?

MWF

Apparently that's not strictly true, Channel Four did a special titled "Why The Towers Fell" which documented the investigation that's taking place into if the towers were adequately prepared for such an event. The documentary explained that while the design was adequate the actual maintenance of things such as the fireproofing spray which should be applied to walls was aleged to be well below standard. The pictures from a recent report on the towers safety certainly supported the accusations by the families demanding the invistigation.

The documentary concluded that while you could never safeguard complete structual integrity of such a building in such an extreme circumstance there were a lot of questions that need to be asked. And if these allegations are prooven then it will beg the question how much longer people would got to get out before they colapsed.

EscortWRC

Well, then the Discovery Channel should get together with your Channel 4 and decide who has their facts straight.

I'm more inclined to believe reports from structural engineers who actually worked on the project.

YMMV

MWF

I aren't -inclinded- to believe anybody hence why I will be reserving any personal opinion until the investigation is concluded. I am meerly reporting the information that seems credible. If you analyise my wording you'll see I am careful in what I write. I am in no way implying the towers shouldn't have fallen or vice versa.

plynchy

I don't imagine you could actually design a building to withstand the impact of a passenger jet AND the kind of explosion caused by that much fuel. I watched the ch4 program as well. I'm not sure how effective fire cladding is against huge explosions...

Reading what Fastmaul wrote gave me goosepimples,absolutely fucking horrible.

MWF

It isn't effective at all as far as I am aware but the opinion I have read from most structual engineers is that it was the heat from the fires which spread after the impact that contributed most to the colapse of the buildings. A point covered in the Channel 4 documentary. I aren't sure what the actual engineers who deisgned them have said as I haven't seen the Discovery program mentioned.

The Sludge

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cosworth

It was not meant to be funny. It was meant as a sarcastic remark to all the conspiracy theorists who thinks the whole thing was just a staged performance....

I really don`t see that a doctored pic is any worse than some of the bizarre theories/claims that other people have written in this topic...

If I was a relative of someone affected by the 9/11 incident I would have been really hurt by some of the things written here.

Anyway, I have now edited that pic out of my posts.

The Sludge

Anyway, I have now edited that pic out of my posts.
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good man

i understand the comments thing but isnt it sometimed good to talk about things and air our views instead of just walking around like zombies doing the usual shite like work, eat, sleep, repeat, repeat, repeat etc. Its an honest interesting topic that if it offends peeps they shudnt read it in the first place. i dont mean that to be rude by the way either.

cosworth

And this is not a "sad" statement towards all the people who lost their lives in the 9/11 incident then???

And you really don`t think that pics can`t be "doctored" to make your story true(easier to doctor a pic. than having all the eye witnesses on the government payroll I think...):

Double standards????

The Sludge

edited out of respect for cosworth

cosworth

So posting a statement and then apologising for it makes it OK then...

If I just had remembered to apologize for putting up the pic. then it would have been OK to still have the pic up then...and no one would have commented on it because I had allready apologised for putting it up in the first place..... ???

Isn`t THAT double standards.....

mattbibs

enough with the conspiracy theories! there seems to be loads at the moment!

havent read the whole post but thought it was interesting to read erik's first hand experience of the events. one bit of reporting that may well be 100% accurate - the press always put some slant on it in their choice of words!

The Sludge

editted out of respect for cosworth

The Sludge

i agree- this thread is about the pentagon not the twin towers. thats the story.

Lee Reynolds

Hmmmm ok saying that here but until it happens to you then you cant comment can ya. You say you would do owt, but with them pointing a gun to your face you probabaly wouldn't get chance to do owt as youd have drown in your own piss and shit first.

Cant beleive people questioning the action of those poor sods that had to go through that ordeal...cant even imagine what it was like

Fastmaul

Thanks for removing the Pictures I didn't understand the sarcastic remarks regarding the furry animals???
Either way, It happend and no matter what the "theories" are, Lot's of People died, and that is a Fact.

My fellow mates that were Killed.
Brook Rosenbaum
Eve Ziminski (wife of one of our club's founding member)
My Boss had lots of Mates that worked there, one of the girls that worked for me, her cousin a firefighter was also killed.

I'm kind of glad though that this thread hasn't become an "America Deserved it" thread. Even though I'm sure there's lot's of people who believe that. You guys are all welcome to come to NYC and I'll be happy show you guys around when I can, or tell you where to go

Anonymous

Does anyone really belive that a fully laden plane crashing into a *insert number of storeys here* storey skyscraper at FULL SPEED was included in the design brief of the Twin Towers..
I am sure that accidents were considered but hindsight is a wonderful thing
No one could have predicted that someone would have deliberately flew a passenger jet into a skyscraper
As for taking over a hijacked plane, put yourself in the position of the passengers....would YOU personally have done it if you had been on one of those flights..?
Answer.....probably NO, as it was never anticipated that fanaticism would extend to extremists quite happily flying a fully laden plane into a tall building

The goalposts have been moved for ever And not for the better...
This event will be the "terrorist event to beat" for many fanatical groups for many years to come IMO
Sad but true...

cosworth

I`m going to hit you in the stomach with a sledgehammer, for that I sincerely apologise....

Do you listen to what youre saying In your view it`s OK to do something bad as long as you just apologise for it..

And I thought this post WAS about the twin towers as well?

Have you read the first post on this topic???

The FIRST post on this thread:

And what`s this about??
So this thread is only for those who goes along with your conspiracy views then

I happen to believe what the eyewitnesses say. That it indeed did happen. And I agree with what has been said about the people in the plane that didn`t fight the terrorists. Do you realise what pain youre putting the relatives through by saying/blaming that the passengers on the plane didn`t do anything.
If it was like that do you also think that the jews that were killed in the gas chamber during WW2 did that voluntarily.... They were so many jews, surely they must have been able to overcome the german SS soldiers...

At least I took away the pics since people reacted negatively on them...

You on the other hand wont even consider that youve written something ditastefull.

Double standards??

Fastmaul

Ok, I think everyone pretty much aired thier views and ideas..
let's just end it.

Ps, Cosworth... do you have Polarbears in the streets??

The Sludge

So this thread is only for those who goes along with your conspiracy views then

No not all matey. Sorry if i offended you. Its just that when a thread like this comes up it always always leads to peeps falling out. I will delete all my comments out of respect.

Also accept my apologies as well.

Ok, I think everyone pretty much aired thier views and ideas..
let's just end it

ok