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Old Oct 17, 2005 | 07:46 PM
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What's the maximum EGT you should get on a "normal" stage 3 Esc Cos running 3bar, greens and the odd 1.9bar peak pressure.
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Old Oct 17, 2005 | 08:01 PM
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if memory serves........correct burn is about 750 to 800 c

could be wrong though

and one thing that always amazes me about EGT's is that low temps can also(as well as high) indictate a lean burn.....when you would think that low means rich and high means lean

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Old Oct 17, 2005 | 08:25 PM
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That's what I want to know.

Have been seeing temps of upto 870°C lately and want to know if that would be acceptable or not.
Don't want to risk a meltdown now that we have planned to start building our own house next year.
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Old Oct 17, 2005 | 08:34 PM
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i think your temps are ok personnally, however i would drop STU@msd a pm and just get him to confirm as all my experiance really comes from 2strokes and although EGT'S shouldn't be any different, i would just get somebody that maps these engines regularaly to confirm........you can't beat experiance so they say
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Old Oct 17, 2005 | 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Speedy G.
That's what I want to know.

Have been seeing temps of upto 870°C lately and want to know if that would be acceptable or not.
Don't want to risk a meltdown now that we have planned to start building our own house next year.
I was talking to Rod Bell about EGTs and on highly tuned Jap tuned cars they freak if the EGT goes over 850°C.
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Old Oct 17, 2005 | 08:41 PM
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just checked my engine data folders from my pc and my quick engines were peaking 700c

these are however 2 strokes as said before........so yes yours are high!

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Old Oct 18, 2005 | 08:18 PM
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You can't associate EGTs with how rich or lean you are running.

Peak EGT is at 14.7:1 air/fuel ratio, anything leaner or richer will lower the exhaust gas temps. A richer mixture lower's the inlet mixture temperatures, often people confuse exhaust gas temps to that , which is very odd.
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Old Oct 18, 2005 | 08:23 PM
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"High" EGT's are ok as long as it is mapped for it....
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Old Oct 18, 2005 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Anh
You can't associate EGTs with how rich or lean you are running.

Peak EGT is at 14.7:1 air/fuel ratio, anything leaner or richer will lower the exhaust gas temps. A richer mixture lower's the inlet mixture temperatures, often people confuse exhaust gas temps to that , which is very odd.
At TOTB Keith Cowie was getting very high (950+ EGT) due to a faulty fuel pump causing the motor to run lean so that would seem to contradict your statement. Not having a pop just stating what I was told btw.
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Old Oct 18, 2005 | 08:26 PM
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At TOTB Keith Cowie was getting very high (950+ EGT) due to a faulty fuel pump causing the motor to run lean so that would seem to contradict your statement. Not having a pop just stating what I was told btw.
What do you define lean? Lean is anything above 14.7:1, fuel delivery may have pushed the car's a/f nearer to this.

EGTs at 17.1 is less than that of 14.7:1 so simply correlating the temperatures to the fuel mixture is absolutely false.
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Old Oct 18, 2005 | 08:30 PM
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At TOTB Keith Cowie was getting very high (950+ EGT) due to a faulty fuel pump causing the motor to run lean so that would seem to contradict your statement. Not having a pop just stating what I was told btw.
What do you define lean? Lean is anything above 14.7:1, fuel delivery may have pushed the car's a/f nearer to this.

EGTs at 17.1 is less than that of 14.7:1 so simply correlating the temperatures to the fuel mixture is absolutely false.
The 950deg EGT was an indication that something was amiss and it turned out to be the fuel pump or fuel pump relay being faulty causing the motor to run dangerously lean.
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Old Oct 18, 2005 | 08:36 PM
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The 950deg EGT was an indication that something was amiss and it turned out to be the fuel pump or fuel pump relay being faulty causing the motor to run dangerously lean.

I don't think people were trying question the risks of high EGTs, its just some people were mistakingly associating EGTs to fuel mixture, which is wrong.

The fuel pump problem you're on about doesnt sound as severe as you like to make it out to be. The car would have died if there was "pump or pump relay fault" or a misfire at least.
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Old Oct 18, 2005 | 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Anh
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The 950deg EGT was an indication that something was amiss and it turned out to be the fuel pump or fuel pump relay being faulty causing the motor to run dangerously lean.

I don't think people were trying question the risks of high EGTs, its just some people were mistakingly associating EGTs to fuel mixture, which is wrong.

The fuel pump problem you're on about doesnt sound as severe as you like to make it out to be. The car would have died if there was "pump or pump relay fault" or a misfire at least.
It is when the motor pumps out 1000hp+ and is fed by 5 fuel pumps (2 lift pumps and 3 main pumps) like Keiths.
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Old Oct 18, 2005 | 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Anh
You can't associate EGTs with how rich or lean you are running.
of course you can !..........if you know what the CHT is and correlate the pair that will give a good indication of your fuel air mixture or have all 2stroke tuners for the last 30 years been doing it wrong???????


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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 08:08 AM
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taken from http://www.sdsefi.com/techegt.htm

Peak EGT generally occurs at an AFR of around 14.7- 15.0 to 1 on gasoline. This is far too lean for maximum power and is dangerous under continuous WOT conditions. Many people think that the leaner you go, the higher the EGT gets. This is also incorrect. Peak EGT occurs at stoichiometry- about 15 to 1 for our purposes. If you go richer than 15 to 1, EGT will drop and if you go leaner than 15 to 1 EGT will ALSO drop. It is VERY important to know which side of peak EGT you are on before making adjustments. It is safe to say that peak power will occur at an EGT somewhat colder than peak EGT.
pugodon't forget that things are going to be different with a turbo engine that has a restriction in the exhaust
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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 08:55 AM
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I regularly see 870° - 900°C (flat out in fifth), but as long as the car has been det checked you shouldn't be worrying too much.
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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 08:56 AM
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Geert, ive seen the same on mine lately although ive got the tiny 0.48 housing on my T34. Its a bit odd though is ive never seen temps above 820. Then I took it on track and suddenly it peaked at 898 and 901.

Could I really blame this increase in temp on the fact it was on track or should I seek for other explanations? Think I will invest in a wideband device to check how its running.
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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 09:02 AM
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Andreas,
That is what you should expect on track .
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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 09:10 AM
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Anything below 900 as a peak value on track doesnt sound too horrific to me, you wouldnt want it sat like that when cruising on the motorway though.
So its largely down to what its being used for.
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Andreas,
That is what you should expect on track .
Ok, I freaked when saw 901 on the display so didnt drive anymore that day. Think I will get a widebander anyway as im a gadget freak.
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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Andreas
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Andreas,
That is what you should expect on track .
Ok, I freaked when saw 901 on the display so didnt drive anymore that day. Think I will get a widebander anyway as im a gadget freak.
No one with a modified turbo car should ever drive it hard without a wideband in my opinion.

Cheap insurance.
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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 09:15 AM
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depends greatly on where you are measuring it from pre turbo or post turbo
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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Turbosystems
depends greatly on where you are measuring it from pre turbo or post turbo
Good point, i was making my comments on the assumption it was manifold temps
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Im talking after turbo temps. I know its better to measure in the manifold, atleast as long as the probe stays in one piece.
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A good read here
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925- 950 is tops b4 turbo.

875-890 is the most you want 1 inch from turbo.

these temps are on ex mani, turbo and down pipe with out heat wrap, if you wrap it all your likly to see 50+ oC on same car.

also gt turbos wont last with temps over 980-1000 oC @ turbo temps.
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
Originally Posted by Andreas
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Andreas,
That is what you should expect on track .
Ok, I freaked when saw 901 on the display so didnt drive anymore that day. Think I will get a widebander anyway as im a gadget freak.
No one with a modified turbo car should ever drive it hard without a wideband in my opinion.

Cheap insurance.
woulndnt last 2 mins in my car at full chat ......pop bang bang bang pop
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Originally Posted by markk
Originally Posted by chip-3door
Originally Posted by Andreas
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Andreas,
That is what you should expect on track .
Ok, I freaked when saw 901 on the display so didnt drive anymore that day. Think I will get a widebander anyway as im a gadget freak.
No one with a modified turbo car should ever drive it hard without a wideband in my opinion.

Cheap insurance.
woulndnt last 2 mins in my car at full chat ......pop bang bang bang pop
Are wideband lambda sensor meant to cope with flames in the down pipe!?

Flame grilled lambda...
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