Alan s1

As above got a m8 thats looking to go the Autronic Route on his 4x4 Cossie powered mk2 escort Basicly he's after info on it and the cost of the Autronic it self

His SPEC on the mk2 escos is so far is ;

T4 Turbo
Big intorcoller
1000cc injectors (i belive ?)
Very good spec Cossie engine looking to push 500 bph

Anonymous

Depends on which autronic, and wether you DIY the loom etc.

Phone Mark and MAD is your best bet mate.

total ballpark figure though = couple of grand all in including mapping etc

Alan s1

CheeRS chip I'll dig Marks number out i've got it some where
Anyone that has Autronic can you put up your spec of you motors and whot its running ect i know Nigel b's S1 is bloody rapped

Specs needed for my m8

Anonymous

TBh for a "conventional" T4 500bhp YB i cant really see the justifcation in Autronic as a road car.

Anonymous

MAD 07768-356204.

Alan s1

I forgot to say its a track car but road regisared (sp )
Its a mk2 escort rs2000 using saph 4x4 cossie running gear / coilovers ect

I'll get a link to the other post but i cant seem to get it to come up

Anonymous

Surely no one is stupid or blinkered enough to be running that Spec Chip, its rather like a Abba record its from a bygone era.
Autronics is today & will benifit any Spec.

rapidcossie

why spend a bomb on a new big spec engine only to run it with a 15 year old wiring loom and ancient management system??

advances in modern management means the cars drive better, make more power and are much safer....
autronic looks a great bit of kit

Alan s1

CheeRS Rod and Dave

Ps dave i take it Mark did yours

Physio

Im running autronic, installed & mapped by a top bloke who really knows what he's doing - Mark Shead @ MADevelopments.

Anonymous

IMHO if you are in the UK and have autronic its utterly stupidity to take it to anyone other than Mark.

No point having one of the most knowledgeable chaps on the planet available and then going to someone who knows far less instead.

Alan s1

Well it looks like i'll have to give Mark a call to get some info on prices ect
As for the wiring i dont think my m8 will be "bogging " it all in
It will be all CHECK and Double CHECKED and most of the wiring will be renewed Out with the OLD and in with the NEW

Matt

drive better yes but make more power how exactly?

top bit of kit yes

Physio

Alan s1

Chip this post is to find out more about Autronic and who has it and who's fitted it Reason why i asked Dave if Mark did his I heard Mark is the best person to speck to and rather then calling him with loads of silly Questions fourt i'd get some info first on here And as Mark is farly local

Physio

Alan - Mark's a top bloke & he's the ONLY tuner that i know of that actually takes time out to talk to you & answer any questions you may have.
I was calling him about twice a day for about a week before i booked mine in with him & i thought he might have been getting abit pissed off but he assured me that i could call him anytime if i had any sort of question's whatsoever!
Top bloke imo & probably the only tuner i would ever use again

Anonymous

You obviously dont know Karl (NMS) or Stu@MSD then, because both of them also go the extra mile with helping customers out.

In fact not just customers either, ive had useful help from both Stu and Karl and have never bought anything from either of them.

Really cant sing enough the praises of either of them, just the same as people do about Mark, but Mark has more autronics knowledge than anyone else in the UK, so for autronics he is the only sensible choice.

We're completely spoiled for good tuners in the world of cossies!

Karl

It wont actually drive better than using an OE ecu such as L8 or P8. Modern ecus have far more features and faster processors so are superior, but you will not get a better drive than a properly mapped L8!!! FACT!

The main downfall of all aftermarket ecu's is the transient fueling something which only a few people will understand what I'm talking about. I have yet to come across ANY ecu that can match the drivability of a properly mapped L8 car!

Mike Rainbird

iTrader: (3)

A properly mapped P8 .

Physio

Chip - agreed mate, though i dont know & have never spoken to karl so i cant comment about him although im sure hs's a top tuner too.
Stu @ MSD on the other hand has given me plenty of advice & help in the past without me ever buying anything off him - he's a top man & i've got alot of respect for him

Alan s1

AJ i've spoke to Mark in the pasted as i was going to get my cossie set up as it was running like sh!t but i had to pull out due to having to bed the brakes and things in and i realy needed to trailer it there which was a bit of a problem as mark did'nt hae room for a trailer ect (As it was it turned out to be the cambelt was a tooth out )

Do need to contact him for my self to have a chat about my cossie as it needs setting up as i've got stg3 bits on it now BUT its down on compression and cant affored to rebuild the engine untill it goes Bang then i'll have to do some thime

I must agree with Chip tho i have spoken to Stu and had parts off him great bloke and as helpfull as Mark is I have'nt used or spoken to Kaul but have heard good works about his work ect

Anonymous

Karl, the way i see it, standard ECU's are a solution to the problem of managing an engine requirements smoothly and reliabley under situations like changing throttle position etc, aftermarket ECU's are always geared more towards out and out power and what happens under WOT so i'm sure you are correct that the standard ECU is hard to touch on that basis, especially given the amount of development hours that goes into creating the algorythms and data tables etc in the first place with exactly that in mind, where as aftermarket mapping is normally about what happends on the ragged edge.

Lamda sensors help though in that respect i would imagine, it means that you can just let half the transient fuelling requirements get taken care of without you lifting a finger surely?

Karl

Mike whilst I highly rate P8 I do find it very slightly more "shunty" on the transient control where as L8 can be as smooth as a babys arse!!! I have also never mapped a P8 on 1000cc injectors so cannot comment where as I have mapped ten's of cars on L8 and 1000cc.

Karl

Chip you clearly don't understand about mapping transients then as that is exactly the problem, closed loop control does not help transient situations. AS said though OE ecus tend to be well developed for transient setup, and the joy of L8 is that it lends itself so well to 1000cc injectors that unless you need the features of a more modern ecu the drivability is untouchable!!!

rapidcossie

becoming a good topic....

Jamz

......until someone disagree's with Karl

rapidcossie

Karl

LOL disagree away, I'd love to see what people understand about transient fueling anyway, and then after that I'll start to discuss cold start and boost control mapping!!!

MikeR

It is threads like this that make great reading, people learn

Cheers mike

Anonymous

Karl without a doubt, im utterly positive that i dont know anything about transient mapping that i could teach to you mate
To me the term transient mapping refers to the way in which the ecu responds to changes in the environment, so for example if you are at 3000rpm at 42% throttle for a period of time, thats not transient fuelling, thats just a load site (or interpolation between two load sites), if you then press the throttle down to 60%, then for that small amount of time that you move the throttle and just after, thats transient, and relies on more than just looking up a value in a table from the TPS and RPM or whatever, as taht doesnt allow for change, when you then continue to set at 60% throttle its then not transient anymore as things arent changing as much.

Thats (a very cutdown) version of my take on what transient fuelling is all about, and i understand the problem with lambda is that its very much reactionary technology, ie it only allows the ECU to alter the fuelling to be correct AFTER its already got it wrong in the first place and that problem has been spotted by the lamda sensor, obviously the time taken for that to happen means that if things are still changing then the data will be out of date by the time the ECU gets it, and therefore of far less use to transient situations, but obvioulsy the quicker the ECU is and the faster reacting the sensor is the closer it gets.

With regards to cold starts, dont even get me started on that one, i will be 100% on your side with that, people REALLY dont realise just how much fucking effort it takes to get an engine to cold start in totally different circumstances every day, and its NOT something that a couple of days on the rollers can sort out, it takes so much development from manufacturers to get it right in the first place that you really cant hope to just bolt on an aftermarket ECU and get close.
Thats why its SO much of advantage to go to someone like Mark for autronic that someone who doesnt have years of experience knowing how to set it up for such situations.

Alan s1

Well its safe to say im totally lost on the mapping side


Thanks for all the info ect

James-W

Anonymous

Says the man that maps & creates the Torqueless wonders we see on this Frum. Get real Karl you aint got a clue.

RichardPON

Dear oh dear

Anonymous

In Karls defence the chip he GAVE me to run my beast which will be ressurected for the Escos,the chip ran 3% CO @ idle on L8 and 1000cc injectors,so i will disagree with you Rod...he does know his stuff and i will be returning to L8!!!!

...on a road car i dont need autronic when my L8 cost 150 and that was ALL the managment cost including chip but then i have mates in high places ROFL!

James-W

and expensive suspension.

Anonymous

...my new brakes aint cheap either

James-W

everybody hates it when you say stuff about your suspension but i think its piss funny. But your not the only one on here running ohlins.

Porkie

iTrader: (1)

I don't hate it! I'm just jealous he got such quality kit so cheap!!!!

mind you its as useless because he won't pay the money to get it all properly serviced and set up!

Rod, that comment about Karl was not only wrong but totally uncalled for.