zetec 16v wont go in mk4 bay help plz urgent
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i have been trying since 11am to now to try and get this engine in
the problem im having is i can get it to line up to the box but the bolts go tight and wont do up anymore and theres still a gap
now im using zetec clutch and my original release bearing as the zetec one is bigger than the input shaft
also the water pump pulley rests against the inner wing
i want to know is
what clutch and bearing do i use
and do i modify the chassis leg for the water pully
any help please as car is stranded round my mates with engine half in still on hoist
and ned the car by tuesday
thanks rich
i have been trying since 11am to now to try and get this engine in
the problem im having is i can get it to line up to the box but the bolts go tight and wont do up anymore and theres still a gap
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now im using zetec clutch and my original release bearing as the zetec one is bigger than the input shaft
also the water pump pulley rests against the inner wing
i want to know is
what clutch and bearing do i use
and do i modify the chassis leg for the water pully
any help please as car is stranded round my mates with engine half in still on hoist
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and ned the car by tuesday
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thanks rich
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clutch lines up ok
but engine wont pull up to gearbox by about 1cm
im thinking its something to do with release bearing
but need someone who has done this conversion so i know what to use
also if anyone has a pic of drivers side inner wing showing engine fitted with water pump pulley on
can you please post it up
thanks
but engine wont pull up to gearbox by about 1cm
im thinking its something to do with release bearing
but need someone who has done this conversion so i know what to use
also if anyone has a pic of drivers side inner wing showing engine fitted with water pump pulley on
can you please post it up
thanks
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we used a 1.8L Zetec flywheel and clutch and original Escort g/box, release arm and bearing. This was on a Mk3 S1, but can't see there would be much difference?
here's a view of the fitted clearance in the MK3 :
here's a view of the fitted clearance in the MK3 :
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Originally Posted by xr4x4rs
yes thats a bit of clearence there
i havnt even got quarter that i dont think
i havnt even got quarter that i dont think
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When you sort out the clutch/flywheel issues and the engine will move more to the left leaving more room for the waterpump on the right.
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right engine is in and fires up
had to use my mk4 engine loom and lenghten a few wires
then it would fire but wouldnt tick over so put zetec ecu and iy purs
question is now
ive fitted all the brackets and alternator but what fan belt do i use?
and what water pipes as the zetec has a very large outlet from the pump
ive had to cut and shut a lot of pipes and move my rad right over so the bottom hose isnt kinked
looks a rite mess in there but its the best i can do with what ive got
any suggestions
had to use my mk4 engine loom and lenghten a few wires
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then it would fire but wouldnt tick over so put zetec ecu and iy purs
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question is now
ive fitted all the brackets and alternator but what fan belt do i use?
and what water pipes as the zetec has a very large outlet from the pump
ive had to cut and shut a lot of pipes and move my rad right over so the bottom hose isnt kinked
looks a rite mess in there but its the best i can do with what ive got
any suggestions
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Originally Posted by xr4x4rs
yes it is mate
what sort of belt is that
any name off a car or the length of it
what sort of belt is that
any name off a car or the length of it
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In principle it should be for a Escort Zetec WITHOUT power assisted steering. We didn't bother back-referencing the number to an application...
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Originally Posted by xr4x4rs
ok mate ill sort that out tomorrow
also who put the bolt in on the alternator of that pic
as its the wrong way round lol
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also who put the bolt in on the alternator of that pic
as its the wrong way round lol
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ah.. LOL sorry, see what you mean.. getting that bolt out was the least of the problems if stuff needed getting out of there ![Big Grin](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif)
we used a Zetec water pump hose - was a tight squeeze to get it to go from the pump to the rad, and needed to be trimmed a little short on the pump end to get it to fit half handy. This hose also has a T-stub moulded in that goes into the cross-tube that runs along the slam panel. (goes to the thermostat housing from memory)
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we used a Zetec water pump hose - was a tight squeeze to get it to go from the pump to the rad, and needed to be trimmed a little short on the pump end to get it to fit half handy. This hose also has a T-stub moulded in that goes into the cross-tube that runs along the slam panel. (goes to the thermostat housing from memory)
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what ive done is
used the zetec water pipe and moved my rad right over so theres no kinks in the pipe
now the original cvh had a pipe that went upo drivers side inner wing which im not using now ive turned the matrix pipe round and the two matrix pipes go to the stat housing now
and that pipe that runs a long th eslam panel is the same except goes to my header tank and the one that goes to the heater pipe is blocked off
does that make sense
used the zetec water pipe and moved my rad right over so theres no kinks in the pipe
now the original cvh had a pipe that went upo drivers side inner wing which im not using now ive turned the matrix pipe round and the two matrix pipes go to the stat housing now
and that pipe that runs a long th eslam panel is the same except goes to my header tank and the one that goes to the heater pipe is blocked off
does that make sense
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im still struggling on a fan belt
ive tried 10 on today and there all to small or to big
the problem im having is no one stocks gates belts so im using qh
does anyone have a part number for qh of the belt i need
its the lawst bit thats need to finish the transplant
thanks
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ive tried 10 on today and there all to small or to big
the problem im having is no one stocks gates belts so im using qh
does anyone have a part number for qh of the belt i need
its the lawst bit thats need to finish the transplant
thanks
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get a piece of string round the pulleys, mark it where its as tight as it gets, then mark it again when its right open, then get the smallest belt possible in that range as they stratch after a few hundred miles
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not yet mate but will do soon
it looks a bit bodge in there at the minute as im mixing and matching things on the water sides so doesnt look pretty
just finished it all in the thunderstorms just now
went to turn the key and it went pop and the cambelt snapped
so hopefully havnt done any damage will see tomorrow when i fit a cambelt
it looks a bit bodge in there at the minute as im mixing and matching things on the water sides so doesnt look pretty
just finished it all in the thunderstorms just now
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so hopefully havnt done any damage will see tomorrow when i fit a cambelt
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ive used the zetec one as it was there and finding a mk3 fiesta in a scrppy with that on is gona be a nitemare round here
the only problem im really confused on is the water system
i mean what do i use in rad terms and where do he pipes go and where they join to
like i say ive bodges it at the minute and have somehow managed to bodge a zetec rad in there but looks a mess and want it proper
any one shed some lite on the water side ofr me thanks explain what goes where
the only problem im really confused on is the water system
i mean what do i use in rad terms and where do he pipes go and where they join to
like i say ive bodges it at the minute and have somehow managed to bodge a zetec rad in there but looks a mess and want it proper
any one shed some lite on the water side ofr me thanks explain what goes where
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hi mate tonyturbo reccomends using a mk4 rad as it will fit better in the slot provided, im not sure about the coolant pipe side of things though, just use whateva fits, trial and error, good luck with it all dude
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right having sum unlucky probs at the minute
done the cambelt and i was lucky nothing bent
just had all the exhaust done so i could fire it up and the alternators gon now
now when it was running i used the zetec ecu now it would missfire and overfuel
put the cvh ecu and it wouldnt tickover, but disconnected map sensor and ticksover
now the rev counter sticks at 2k and hardly moves?
and theres just pure fuel coming out of the exhaust
i swapped the two outer wires on the tps and that stopped the fuelling issue but then came a flat spot and 2k issue with the counter
do i need to use cvh coilpack instead of zetec to solve this
water issues im going to sort as i need to modify a rad to allow the header tank pipe in
any move advice from the gds who do zetec cus im buggered if i know
thanks
done the cambelt and i was lucky nothing bent
just had all the exhaust done so i could fire it up and the alternators gon now
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now when it was running i used the zetec ecu now it would missfire and overfuel
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put the cvh ecu and it wouldnt tickover, but disconnected map sensor and ticksover
now the rev counter sticks at 2k and hardly moves?
and theres just pure fuel coming out of the exhaust
i swapped the two outer wires on the tps and that stopped the fuelling issue but then came a flat spot and 2k issue with the counter
do i need to use cvh coilpack instead of zetec to solve this
water issues im going to sort as i need to modify a rad to allow the header tank pipe in
any move advice from the gds who do zetec cus im buggered if i know
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thanks
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