Right... ive got a guy who is really interested in buying clive, but his main concern is that because she has had her cats removed, he will have to replace them every time she goes for an MoT.

She passed her last MoT without the cats.... how do you guys get round this?

 

ANYONE???

 

You need a tester that understands these cars that will overlook it.



Or a fit woman to drive it to the test. Oh, wait,

Get him to ask on here for someone in his area

 

As above you need an mot tester who is willing to pass it without the cat in.

 

cheeky sod!

So is there no way legally then that she should be able to pass her MoT without her cat?

bugger... looks like ive just lost a sale!

 

the mot is changing and all the data will go to the dvla so your car will have to have its cats on in the future to pass its mot,if the mot station fiddle it they will be shafted from a great height if found out,you may still get the odd 1 doing it for a friend but it dodgy,
cheeRS gary
AKA shrek

 

so what will happen to all these people that have had there dodaas welded then? ( sorry cant remember the word... itll come to me in a minute! )

 

Clive has a Pre cat requirement engine in her, big turbo conversion etc. As such she does not requier a cat test.

Test according to which is older, engine or vehicle.
e.g. A 1995 car fitted with a 1991 engine (of whatever make), test to 1991 standards for emission purposes.

Note: The onus is on the vehicle presenter

Taken from http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_730.htm

Print that off for the guy Maria or forward it to him.

 

Just had a fantastic phone call!

because the block pre dates the cat requirement ( ie its pre '94 ) it means that the cat doesnt have to be on the car to pass the MoT!

woohoo


i hope that made sense!

 

Now you owe me a beer!

 

Youre a superstar!

If the sale goes ahead.. a beer will be yours! lol

 

Maria, all irrelevant now, but you could always tell him to get one of stu's lambda conversions, it would probably do better than with a cat

Good luck with the sale.

 

cheers frog!

ive pasted him a link to this thread so that he can see what everyones replys are so he knows im not bullshitting him!

And cheers for the luck!

 

dont mean to dampen the moment but the cat tests started in 1992, so unless you can prove the engine is pre-1992 then it needs a cat test

 

ALL Escort Cosworths required a cat to pass the test and they ALL had a couple as standard.

 

I agree with stu.

Dave

 

my 1992 rs2000 on a k plate had a cat as standard but was removed and is ok through the mot because the cut of date is august 1992,so cars before august 1992 can legally remove the cat.
cheeRS gary
AKA shrek

 

Has anyone got a list of the engine codes and when the engines were built, ??

Mine was registeted in Sept 93 but built in Sept 92 - Have I just missed out ????

Is it cars built or registered before Aug 1992 that don't require the cat test ??

How do you prove it - Letter from Ford ??

 

Tru, but unless it has a sapph engine fitted, then it does not.

It's also a bit vague with cars between K and M reg.



The book states you must have an EXACT MATCH on the data in thier book. There will not be an exact match for Clive.

we are talking about just this one car don't forget.

I beleive Clive has a 205 block and earlier management fitted, so now it's down to >3.5%

Modern cars can't fail on 'no cat fitted' as long as they can meet the required exhaust test.

Maria, if the guy wants a better explanation, get him to give me a call at work, 0118 9894115, rather than have him try and make sense of everyones opinion.

 

like i said, its up to the owner to prove that the engine fitted is from a pre 08-92 car or it has to be cat tested, the management doesnt come into the test, it sthe engine that counts

but still if its a production car after 1992 it requires a cat test, unless the car has excemplary discression from teh ministry, the k plate rover metros spring to mind, non cat version on a k plate or cat and carb version just for one

 

not all garages have emissions testers do they? Im sure my car never had an emissions test at the garage I went to this year for MOT and the data is all up to date on the licensing website saying emissions N/A

 

205 blocks were pre 90

200 blocks came after.

Anyone with decent word program and printer can fake a letter fron a manufacurer to say the engine is too early for a test.

not that I would suggest such a thing...........

 

great suggestion

 

ALL MOT stations have emissions testers, whether they be for petrol/ diesel

 

I've done loads of research around this. If the car is 'First used' (basically means registered) after Aug 1992 and it had a CAT fitted then it will need an advanced emissions test. It does not need to have a CAT present but realistically it will not pass the advanced emissions test without one.

However, if either the car or the engine is pre Aug 1992 then it can have the basic test. But, as previously stated this is for the owner to prove.

Ie a J reg (1991 or early 1992) car with a 1995 engine only needs a basic test.

Likewise a 1995 car with a 1991 engine only requires a basic test.

As presviously stated the new computer system will tell the tester which emissions test is required so it will be a lot harder to get round it.

 

at last someone who knows what there on about ! - other than me !

 

I'll give up my day job then......

 

I was just thinking that craig

 

its a really bummer to working for vosa

 

simple way round it tbh

Have done this in the past on rst's and cossie's

Take it somewhere before the mot and ask if they will test the emmissions for you.

See what it's running, if it's too rich, pull a vacumn hose off (somewhere descrite) and see if that helps

If not just adjust it on the ecu, remembering where it was set at before (obviously this is on a cossie).

Then take for the mot (remember not to boot it or take it too far away), get it throught the emissions, then go back to the other garage and readjust ya mixture to where it was before.

 

you won't get it through a post-92 test without the Cat fitted and working

 

My understanding is :

Aslong as the emissions are within limits it doesn't matter if a cat is fitted or not.

 

as rich says without the cat it wont pass the post '92 emissions regs on all three counts, fast idle, catalyst stabilisation and idle speed emissions

 

cossie1 - correct, but what i'm getting at and Mark is saying is that it won't be within limits without the cats functioning properly

 

How do you know that ??

Every car is differnt and if the car is warmed up propperly and driven enthusiasticly before it goes in for the MOT / emissions test, it is very possible for it to pass the "post '92 emissions regs on all three counts, fast idle, catalyst stabilisation and idle speed emissions"

 

trust me it wont - other wise - why do we fit catalysts ?

ive been involved in emissions testing for over 14 years now in one way or another, and even the latest euro spec wont pass without cat on all 3 tests , some will pass some of the test without but its that one part they fail on - simply is a fail

 

'fraid not... I'm with Mark.. I've also been involved with emmissions testing, including design and manufacture of 4-gas infra-red absorption Emmissions testing gas analysers..

 

Cheers for all your help guys!!!

 

the only legal way to get it through is to fit a cat ,i cansupply a down pipe with a high flow cat that dosent sap much power
i own a mot staion and all cars after 94 need cats the car whould fail unless the tester is willing to over look it
and the sugestion of pulling a vacuum pipe off whould make it fail as this whould send the lamda up and fail
thanks jc

 

Ahh.. what do we know Eh John?
We all do it for a living but we are all wrong