Jim Galbally

ok, who knows the differences with Bog Std 2WD vs Cosworth 2WD?

now ive fitte my cossie hubs/TCAs/ARB/Brakes the wheels toe out big time

i know the bolt size for the inner TCA is different for one (M10 on cos M12 on boggo)

aret he lengths of the TCAs different pushing the wheels out further?

also who's got a 2WD cos crossmember?

Ginge !

if ya mean the lower cross member ill find out for ya, the front is the same and its fooking pricey for what it is but there the same

ill print out the picy of both and see if ya can spot the difference

Jim Galbally

byegons be byegons?

Ginge !

nope, just being civil

Matt

will you please just buy a fucking cosworth jim

whats the crack with the byegons/bal thing?

Ginge !

nothing, just a thing we was discussing a while ago, nothing to do with this place

btw at this rate he will have one, hes got all the rest so far

Matt

.....apart from the wanky thumper donkey turd in the engine bay

markk

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they are both the same, but the arbs are differant between sierra variants

DOO

As said above all saff x members are the same only 1 part number listed

Jim Galbally

ok well how's this... my 2wd DOHC crossmember has M12 bolt hole in it

my 2wd TCAs have M10 bolt hole in them

wierd?

markk

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ok , there is a slight differance, i thought you had mentioned that above , ref the bolt holes, the cosworth does have an m12 hole but the widths etc are the same

DOO

Ford deffo only list 1 x member.
But they do list 2 diffrent size bolts to bolt the up anitroll bar ??

10mm x 35mm
12mm x 35mm



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Jim Galbally

ok, so the hole is a different size but its in the same location... thats good news means nothing is in thw wrong place.

still doesnt explain why ive not go enough adjustment on my steering arms / track rod ends to bring the wheels in. They are ZOO "uprated" steering arms so maybe they dont fit 2WD cossie properly?

i mean ive heard of having a "bit of toe in" but this was just silly!

CozzyBrom

jim before you slag me off you are not the best mechanic in the world
they do fit and are made to corect length
there are diffent types of xmber asell
there the older type square one which take 2 bolt engine mounts
and the the cozzy type with a single engine mount bolt
as you have fitted tcas which have 10mm these could well be granny ones
cozzy ones only came with 12mm inner bolts

Jim Galbally

thats not slagging you off is it now, they fitted the car i ordered them for fine i was just poiting out that i had non-"standard" steering arms :P ps are they identical length (n thread) to normal ones?

Brom, re the bolt size, i might have got it the wrong way round (it wasnt me working on the car im just going on that im told) infact now i think about it, it MUST have a 10mm Xmember n 12mm TCA as he's gonna drill the Xmember and that wouldnt make sense otherwise

the TCAs are DEFFO 2wd cossie, coz i bought everyhing complete (hubs, tcas, Xmember, rack, arb, brakes etc. etc. (i just threw the rest away n kept arb, tca, hubs... d'oh!)

i MUST have 2 bolt engine mounts, as (ie 1 in middle, 2 at the side) but i thought they were all like this?

also with these Xmembers, are the mounting locations of the TCA different? as i wanna be sure the TCA isnt sitting too far in/out

i know my steering RACK is different, because on a cossie they have less turns to lock (well, the wheels just dont move as far, its no quicker )

CozzyBrom

just fit ajustable tcas and you will not belave the difance in handling
y dont you fit a cozzy rack there cost nothing nowdays tim or spadgadoo should have one or 2 laying around
may be no cozzy racks are londer on the rack
than a cozzy one
i dont no about other racks only cozzy ones

foreigneRS

are you sure it's the x-member to tca inner bolts that are different? 35mm is not long enough to be those. i think you're talking about the rear anti roll bar mounts that are a different size.

Doh

surely the proplem is to do with your rack if its affecting the toe? the TCA's would effect the camber angles?

i'm running 2wd cossie hubs tca's and roll bar on mine with the standard 4i crossmember. I had to drill the crossmember for the 12mm 2wd tca's although the bolt size is actualy driven by the bush and not the TCA, you could fit 10mm bushes to save drilling the cross member.

The geometry is completely different on the cossie stuff, i used to have massive arch clearance problems with my 17's on the standard 4i swtup, i have zero probs with the cossie stuff and i'm also running a 5mm spacer !!

i did have to "shorten" my rack by screwing the track rod ends further up the rack to sort out the toe if you can't do this i would suggest sourcing a different rack..

Jim Galbally

doh, thats whats been done... have modified the steering arms n track rods so they will come in closer the tracking was done by eye, but im gonna wait till the weekend to get it tracked, as he ride heights are currently all wrong (changed 1 shock/spring (different poundage) and not the other (yet), its all over the place... wanna get the suspension level before tracking it properly... dont wanna waste 20quid

re camber/toe... it all affects each other... but it looked like it had loads of positive camber before we "modified" it all to fit

if we're happy that the Xmember/TCA setup is ok, then ill leave it all as it is (but will drill the bolt holes out obviously... lol) easier to do that than replace the bushes!

brom, i think youre right, it must be that the rack is shorter on a cossie (would make sense, becasue you cant put a cossie on as much lock) which is cocking it all up... didnt matter on old setup coz the track rods are futher out, but on the cossie stuff you cant screw it in far enough

broadmoor

Jim,
If you get stuck i've got a 3 door cross member that you can have for Feck all..and i'm not to far away for Dartford tunnel..

Mr C

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Why cant you get as much lock on a cossie as a std Sierra? When i had a std bottom arm put on my cosworth it gave the front too much camber, but the cosworth item was shorter and pulled the bottom of the wheel back in, I thought my suspo had collapsed when I got the car back. Im after more angle of steering lock on my 2wd sapphire as std the degrees are poo, how can I do this then, what rack would fit and work or can I have teeth cut in my reconned rack or is there something available as in the Jap market that changes where the rack levers on the upright??

Jim Galbally

from what ive been told (and it could be chineese whispers)

the XR and Cossie racks are the same "speed" as the bogg racks, but have less movement in them.

this was becasue the wheels would foul the bodywork / bodykits with the std racks.

rather than do anything major, they just reduced the ammount of lock on the car.

hence why cossies have sh*t turning circles.


oh and there is method to the madness, and my car (boggo rack) hates being on full lock!

Mr C

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AH crap!! cossies suck!! The rack will limit my sideways ability then cos I was goin 18"s up front, this will only make clearance issues worse?? Let us know when you sort yours

Mr C

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I can see why the Jap motors are used so much for drift, they have great angle with 17-18"s no worries, wanted to do it Ford though. Shit heaps, always a lot of effort aint they looks like little steel wheels, flared arches and funny offset wheels then FORDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jim Galbally

speak to Steve N (itsmeagain) as he looked into this i think (re sierra drift car) and worked out about the rubbish lock to lock on a sierra

markk

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i have plenty of lock , even with 17" wheels on - well needed for rallying