Benn 304R

Actually, exactly the same as this one but in black.
Look at the price, thats why i might not get a Z28
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...&category=6161

RichardPON

Been - you want an IROC Z28?

What are you - an Italian American gangsta wanabee?

Big G

A year/18 months down the line you could have saved some extra ££ instead of buying and modding, so why not say
"well another 12 month and i got £so-much" so if you went off that Pon you really wouldnt get anywhere, Its all too easy to say
"another £500 could get me 'this car" etc

If you regret spending the moolah on your pride and joy then sel up and buy a Picasso, your clearly in the wrong hobby.

Benn 304R

always loved american cars m8, was buying street machine and custom car mags long before max power lol

The only modern car i like now really is the monaro vxr but they are around 35k lol

depends on a few things though, ie cash mainly

RichardPON

I don't regret spending the money, but why sell yourself short!

The money I've spent on mods to cars - I'd have an E46 M3 sat outside.

The point is, you keep throwing money into a car, and the return rapidly diminshes.

There are very few people on this board who can honestly afford to throw money away - I just wonder if that's why boy racers are always stuck in boy racer cars when they're 30+ - maybe because they just can't afford to move on.

Benn 304R

maybe its because there cheaper to buy than todays equvilent?
for example gt3 at least £50k? esc cossie, evo etc £15-20k even with mods.

Big G

Ive probably had about £50k of beer down my throat, What car could i buy with that, instead ive got a packet of Nurofen, a few notches on the bedpost with wrongun's and 2 dozen beer glasses for my acheivments

philc

Do you have aspirations to buy a better car?


yes, of course who would have aspirations to own a shit car surely thats not an aspiration but reality???

not sure whats next. case of suck it and see. be a while yet mind

RichardPON

Point was though Benn, if yuo keep thorwing money into the car with zero return ( normal people aren't gonna break the car), then you're gonna end up with a 4k car that's cost you 20k, sometimes over a very short period of time.

Stavros

Thing is, even when you do go to that sensible posher car, its hard to leave it alone.

One that immediatley springs to mind is someone I know whos recently bought a E46 M3 cabby, one of the most complete cars there is, a car that is awesome as std, in an attempt to not go too mad with the mods like previous cars...

And has already bought a set of 20s, coilovers, and counltess other parts

Modding rarely ever leaves you

Just got to be mildly sensible with it, ie dont spend good car money on a shed that still is a shed by the end of it (you know, expensive 1off carbon bits smaller that could all fit in a shoebox but cost twice what the wanky XR2 they fitted in is worth overall, etc )

RichardPON

Not in the case of this board - loads of RST owners are intent on keeping their cars for years to come, ignorant of the fact that far better cars are out there that cost far less.

know that ignores the loyalty to a particular marque, but I just think that's being blinkered

Benn 304R

@ Steve

RichardPON

Well I didn't want to use that example, but it kind of illustrates what I was talking about

philc

Totally agree rich. In all truth its a case of working with what you already own for most people, rather than looking at it in a rational way and choosing a better car to start with. Brand loyalty is a strange one. In all honesty I very much doubt that most current rst owners would, given the choice buy a new ford at the minute( as a performance choice)

Big G

Take Rod's car, he got summat like 40 odd grand in what basically is a E?? reg 2WD saff, he wouldnt get no where near half as much back if he sold it whole but as a breaker ......

Spadges black 3dr, took bits off it as he knew the parts were worth more away from the car

As said previous about Gus's car


If you sold your car Pon would you sell if as a (whatever it is) Saff or think "Hmmm, ive got a mini mortgage sat here"

Stavros

Time to break out the funny pics



Good job Oranoco's away as he'd have a LOT to say on this thread I reckon.

But when it comes down to it a lot of people are big fans of one type of car and are unbelivably blinkered to other types so hate anything else and dont think its mad to do what they do, even tho the rest of the world thinks they dickheads

Cossies etc have valid reasons to spend a fortune on them as you get good returns (up to a point) with performance youd never get from a std car for the same money spent, and all but Saffs (and even saffs upto a point) are sorta Classic/Famous cars that most people understand they summat a bit spesh.

Thing is with S2 RSTs for example, you dont, maybe more straight line speed, but nothing else, so thats where its most bizzare to me.

RichardPON

No, cos mine is a track car, and would obviously break for a lot more in bits - carbon seats, etc etc

I said earlier about excusing one offs and track cars, and Rod's is definitely a one off.

I was referring more to your run of the mill money........

Big G

He said himself he wanted something he could use everyday, and he can/does/could *delete as appropriate Rod*

SPADGE

I always try to do as much to my Cossies as i want but always (with one exception) make sure i don't go into negative equity(s?)
Sometimes feel like giving it all up and buying a 'sensible' fast car but cossies are a drug for me and i think it would be easier to quit smoking than stop playing with the old sheds lol

philc

the thing is whats run of the mill money to one is a fortune/pittance to someone else.

for instance 40k for a 200mph+ car (ie rods!) looks a bargain on paper, and probably is. however most people would choose something else once they were told its an almost 20 year old sierra.

RichardPON

Well I'm not getting into a discussion about Rod's car, as that's taking away from the point of this post, but yes, he does use it everyday, but it's still a one off - how many other 200mph road going saffs have you seen recently?

philc

but 40k would buy anyone a 200mph sapphire. surely that to some is an aspiration? and buy default a better car.

philc

i think it all boils down to what you qualify a better car as? faster, newer, more prestige etc.

RichardPON

Yes Phil, but what 3k RST owner is gonna genuinely aspire to own a 200mph Saff? That's a dream, not a reality.

philc

to some rst owners 200bhp maybe a dream, (and to most it probably is given some of the shit thats around )

i aspire to own an rs6, but if i dont get one then it just becomes a dream no?

SPADGE

Pon did you fulfil your dream when you bought that 'hairdressers car' if not what do you aspire too?????

Escy

with my car i tend to buy 2nd hand aftermarket parts so it limits the damage to re-sale value. i've probably spent 5k but i'd be doubtful i'd get >3k for it as it stands. i priced up all the parts and its about 4k's worth.

i now know i'm in the situation where if i put another few k into it i won't see any money back and its value won't rise much/at all.

the problem i now have though is i have nothing to aspire to in the short term (Escort Cosworth is the long term dream), i wouldn't find anything insurable that will touch mine for similar money.

my plan now (and has been with alot of the parts) is to buy 2nd hand parts that are easy to fit, therfore easy to remove when i sell. eg. a 2nd hand strut brace is worth £40 when you buy it and worth £40 6 months later if i decide to sell the car i can take it back off.

Rich, one thing i don't think you are considering is depreciation of newer cars. spending 2k in a year on an old RST can be seen as wasted money if instead you bought yourself a nice new shiney scooby, but you'd have wasted the same 2k on that in depreciation. i think we can all agree that its more fun loosing 2k by buying bits that it just dissaperaing over time.

Mike Rainbird

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I want a GT3RS in the garage. Most complete car out there at moment that suits my needs, small problem is that they need to come down in price by quite a substantial amount first . If only it had a third seat, and I could then convince Jen that we need to chop in the Scooby as well .

RichardPON

Spadge - the vidal sasoon car was only bought as a temporary stop gap.

In all honesty, I want an E46 M3 in the garage, and a Caterham R500 for trackdays. That's whjat I aspire to own by the time I'm 30.

Escy - I'm not ignoring depreciation, as I never said that you had to aspire to own a brand new car.

Mike -that's far too cool a car for ya - driving it, you'd just look like someone going through a mid-life crisis

DaveEscos

mike cool choice of car..

order two!


group buy!!???

Mike Rainbird

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PON,
The 60 year old guy at Brunters the other day on the Dom Palmer driving course still looked cool in it (which is just as well, as I imagine that's how old I will be before I am allowed one ) . In fact even YOU would look cool in a GT3RS (or am I stretching the realms of reality now? ?).

The 997 GT3RS has a big rep to live up to .

Dave,
Shame you haven't got taste, as in standard form, the GT3 is just too soft .

Mike C

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I've spent near enuff £25k on an Escort GTi.

In 2 years time when (hopefully) I've finished with it, that figure will have almost doubled

once u start, u can't stop

but I see cars everyday that I wanna buy and u can't buy 'em all

RichardPON

That's what I mean!

Of course you can stop - sell it now, recoup as much of your losses as possible, and buy an Escort Cosworth - why would you not?

benporter

iTrader: (1)

£25k on an Escort GTi

Mike C

iTrader: (1)

I won't recoup anything cos it's in bits atm, lol

as for buying an Escort Cosworth. I would and I may next year or I may buy something else, but not at the sacrifice of the GTi

Cossie is gonna need some deep pocket spending anyway. For me, it would HAVE to be imperial blue, I'd like to keep it on standard wheels, but in the end would give into some HUGE brakes, which would mean 18's

I'd want it at a "useable" 330BHP state of tune, no more, no less, and the engine would probably need a total rebuild etc etc at some point cos I'm just too fussy

I almost bought a Saff a few months back, but it seemed "too cheap" for the spec it supposedly was and also I didn't believe the claimed 380BHP when it was running on greens.

I'm fussy and everything has to be spot on and I'd spend money by the shedload on ANY Ford tbh, and I while I look at a few non-fords that'd cost me less in the long run, my heart wudnt be in it after a lifetime of being a blue oval fanatic and nothing would be bring me the same amount of pleasure (or pain )

and yeah, it is a classic example of heart ruling head, but I hate my head ruling my heart and I know 25k (and rising) on an Escort GTi is excessive (and the 2 previous owners musta spent more than that on it ), but it's what I want, I like it and that's what counts to me. Don't care about "market values" and all that when I don't plan on selling

B19-TRB

If I would of done this instead of building the escort then I could b sat in a much much better car now!

But @ that time I didnt have the cash to do so! i.e. escort took years to get to the state it was in.


Also insurance! @ 19 years of age there is no way I oculd of got insurance on a evo, scoob, esc cos etc.
I'd quite like a s2000 in the next few years!

I dont intend to do much to the 200sx that i currently got! i liek havin a nice looking reliable car with a lil bit of poke to it!

Mike C

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and it was the Best RS Turbo ever IMO, takes guts (and insanity) to break the mould IMO

that RST musta had serious cash thrown at it (cossie money u may say)

and then you can look at it again, some people's cossies (the best fettled on ones, like that swedish one etc) musta had 6 figures sums spent on them. You could say that's excessive, but u can't deny the wow factor. You could have bought an Aston/Ferrari/Lambo with that money. If everyone went down the road of buying a more expensive car out of the box, we'd never see these machines

and that silver Cossie'd MK1 Escort, that Vaux engined yellow MK1 Escort too, classic ford readers will know, that had a 6-figure sum spent on it and I can remember the days u could pick up fully working ones for £250, wish u could now

B19-TRB

Thanx m8!

It had serious cash thrown @ it! But I dont regret dopin it! even though I owuld probably have my own house now if i didnt build it!

As if i wouldnt of built it i wouldnt have experienced so many things! would have not have met loads of ppl i know think of as m8s! had as many good piss ups!

JoeE30

Richard, this is the exact reason i now onw a 328ci se E46.

No it isnt an M3 or CSL but thank the flockin lord i aint got a rattling, squeaky,rottin,unreliable, annoying, silly RST anymore.

I know when i go to my car and turn the key it will start pretty much 99.5% of the time, the heaters work all the time, the exhaust dont knock on the gear selector and the sunroof dont cover me in rust everytime i want it open cos its hot....