Dry sump pumps, looking for a small one, anyone help?
16-06-2005, 11:39 AM
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Dry sump pumps, looking for a small one, anyone help?
I need the smallest possible dry sump pump i can find thats still up to the job of feeding a 2 litre engine + turbo (ie lots of flow needed for squirters etc)
Anyone got any recomendations on pumps that are small?
Anyone got any recomendations on pumps that are small?
16-06-2005, 12:30 PM
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Yeah it is mate, SBD do a very compact one (well pace actaully make it):
http://www.paceproducts.co.uk/dss/pics/16v1.jpg
Thats probably what i will go with
Just wondered if there was something even smaller that is up to the job?
Also, any advice on a TINY alternator, im SO cramped for space its unreal!
http://www.paceproducts.co.uk/dss/pics/16v1.jpg
Thats probably what i will go with
Just wondered if there was something even smaller that is up to the job?
Also, any advice on a TINY alternator, im SO cramped for space its unreal!
16-06-2005, 12:33 PM
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chip can u save space wiht some form of electical water pump!? dunno how much room the stanadrd water pump takes up! but u can fit the elctical 1 in the car!
16-06-2005, 12:40 PM
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No mate ive got loads and loads of space in the rwd nova, its for the mini im building with a vauxhall engine.
Problem is that the alteranator wont fit at the back of the engine cause the bulkhead is in the way.
If i cant get a dry sump pump and alternator to both fit then i wont be able to rev much past 8000rpm
Problem is that the alteranator wont fit at the back of the engine cause the bulkhead is in the way.
If i cant get a dry sump pump and alternator to both fit then i wont be able to rev much past 8000rpm
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16-06-2005, 12:42 PM
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No mate ive got loads and loads of space in the rwd nova
Kool though mini with vaux turb lump!
go like stink! R there any alternatives to a ltenator u can use!? like a fook of big capictor!?
could u not make up something to move the altenaotr & run it off a driove shaft or somehtin ranodm like that!?
16-06-2005, 12:46 PM
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Lol @ capacitor, how is that going to generate electricity? its basically just a battery that disharges quickly.
running something off a driveshaft isnt really possibe as they move up and down with the suspension, and if you got the alternator to move it with then it would be more unsprung wieght which isnt good of course, although it might be possible off an inner cv joint i guess, but there isnt any space near them either
running something off a driveshaft isnt really possibe as they move up and down with the suspension, and if you got the alternator to move it with then it would be more unsprung wieght which isnt good of course, although it might be possible off an inner cv joint i guess, but there isnt any space near them either
16-06-2005, 01:02 PM
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Standard gearing for the box im using is 187mph at 6700rpm limiter IIRC.
Im going to be (if i can sort the dry sump etc out!) running a limiter of about 8700rpm
My wheels are approx 15% smaller rolling radius than standard though.
So gearing should be for 159@standard 6700rpm limiter
and about 206mph at 8700rpm
I will never ever under any circumstances even consider doing over 200mph in a mini though, fook that for a game of soldiers, and even somewhere with a lot of space like brunters it wouldnt have the power to get there quick enough i suspect (if at all they arent very aerodynamic!)
Im going to be (if i can sort the dry sump etc out!) running a limiter of about 8700rpm
My wheels are approx 15% smaller rolling radius than standard though.
So gearing should be for 159@standard 6700rpm limiter
and about 206mph at 8700rpm
I will never ever under any circumstances even consider doing over 200mph in a mini though, fook that for a game of soldiers, and even somewhere with a lot of space like brunters it wouldnt have the power to get there quick enough i suspect (if at all they arent very aerodynamic!)
16-06-2005, 01:04 PM
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No mate not seen that one before, looks good (other than the welds on the manifold, lol)
Thats basically the same sort of thing that im doing, only obviously mine will have a lot more power than that one does.
Thats basically the same sort of thing that im doing, only obviously mine will have a lot more power than that one does.
16-06-2005, 01:06 PM
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PS
do you have any contact details for the guy, would love to talk to him about the inlet manifold he is using, looks spot on
If not dont worry i will be able to find out who it is via my mini website.
do you have any contact details for the guy, would love to talk to him about the inlet manifold he is using, looks spot on
If not dont worry i will be able to find out who it is via my mini website.
16-06-2005, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by B19-TRB
Looks like the front end has been extended!
206mph at 8700rpm
Thats why im using the square front on mine instead.
16-06-2005, 01:09 PM
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chip-3door, no i have no contacts, them pictures are about a year old i guess, i knew i had them on my PC, so thought id post them
good luck with your proect, have you any pictures, i own a mini myself and collect them , PM if you dont want them on here
good luck with your proect, have you any pictures, i own a mini myself and collect them , PM if you dont want them on here
16-06-2005, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Freddy_mercury_magic
chip-3door, no i have no contacts, them pictures are about a year old i guess, i knew i had them on my PC, so thought id post them
good luck with your proect, have you any pictures, i own a mini myself and collect them , PM if you dont want them on here
good luck with your proect, have you any pictures, i own a mini myself and collect them , PM if you dont want them on here
Can probably arrange a testdrive for you though in about 2 years when ive finally finished it.
Although TBH probably wont let you use the nitrous, lol
16-06-2005, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Freddy_mercury_magic
Originally Posted by B19-TRB
That inlet looks like a swedish style cossie jobbie!
no it dont
He wasnt actaully saying it WAS one just that it was LIKE one.
16-06-2005, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
Originally Posted by Freddy_mercury_magic
Originally Posted by B19-TRB
That inlet looks like a swedish style cossie jobbie!
no it dont
He wasnt actaully saying it WAS one just that it was LIKE one.
i was winding stretch up
A test drive would be good lol, in 2 years tho, sounds like my S2
16-06-2005, 01:23 PM
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Chip.....as for the alternator idea - could you not mount it say at the other side of the engine where there maybe a little more room for the actual unit but keep the pulley where the belts are - & link the pulley & actual unit via some sort of a rod with maybe a UJ on it if necessary.....if you see what i mean???
16-06-2005, 01:29 PM
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Lee.
thats not a bad idea.
You mean something like drive a bar off the engine that runs along the top of it over the turbo and manifold etc and then have the alternator mounted right in the right hand side of the engine up above the gearbox where there is room?
not a bad plan at all that
Ideally would prefer not to though obviously as if anything got caught on the that driveshaft it could cause a cambelt failure (not what you want when the head is worth best part of 3 grand and the bottom end even more)
thats not a bad idea.
You mean something like drive a bar off the engine that runs along the top of it over the turbo and manifold etc and then have the alternator mounted right in the right hand side of the engine up above the gearbox where there is room?
not a bad plan at all that
Ideally would prefer not to though obviously as if anything got caught on the that driveshaft it could cause a cambelt failure (not what you want when the head is worth best part of 3 grand and the bottom end even more)
16-06-2005, 01:37 PM
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Yup you got it.....except I was thinking on the bulkhead side - more protection from anything getting caught on it I imagine too. Nothing stopping you making a protective cowl for it to protect it - even a slightly larger pipe to sleeve the actual driveshaft!!!
Or....idea number two - I take it its the same engine you're using that is in that mini in the pic - whats stopping you making some sort of adaptor pulley inbetween the drive for the dizzy off the back of the camshaft so you can mount it that side of the engine again where theres more room????
Or....idea number two - I take it its the same engine you're using that is in that mini in the pic - whats stopping you making some sort of adaptor pulley inbetween the drive for the dizzy off the back of the camshaft so you can mount it that side of the engine again where theres more room????
16-06-2005, 01:53 PM
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Dizzy one is a better idea than you could possibly realise mate
Im using distributorless ignition on mine, so that bit isnt used at all on mine, so would be pretty easy to get drive from there for the alternator, cracking idea
Im using distributorless ignition on mine, so that bit isnt used at all on mine, so would be pretty easy to get drive from there for the alternator, cracking idea
16-06-2005, 01:59 PM
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