Graham S1

so these guys are "nuts" as well right?


http://washingtontimes.com/upi-break...2755-6408r.htm

A former Bush team member during his first administration is now voicing
serious doubts about the collapse of the World Trade Center on 9-11.
Former chief economist for the Department of Labor during President George W. Bush's first term Morgan Reynolds comments that the official story about the collapse of the WTC is "bogus" and that it is more likely that a controlled demolition destroyed the Twin Towers and adjacent Building No. 7.

Reynolds, who also served as director of the Criminal Justice Center at
the National Center for Policy Analysis in Dallas and is now professor
emeritus at Texas A&M University said, "If demolition destroyed three
steel skyscrapers at the World Trade Center on 9/11, then the case for an 'inside job' and a government attack on America would be compelling."
Reynolds commented from his Texas A&M office, "It is hard to exaggerate
the importance of a scientific debate over the cause of the collapse of
the twin towers and building 7. If the official wisdom on the collapses is wrong, as I believe it is, then policy based on such erroneous engineering analysis is not likely to be correct either.

The government's collapse theory is highly vulnerable on its own terms. Only professional demolition appears to account for the full range of facts associated with the collapse of the three buildings."

The Gravedigger

It was watched on TV live by tens of millions of people, if not more. Whatever, just don't think it's credible given the circumstances that a demolition crew happened to be there so quick with the right instructions and authorisations, and parked up with their explosives and dodged all the falling bodies and police and firemen, and rigged the building.

Sorry but no fucking way IMHO.

Rhys

fook me give it a rest

Keith B

Obsessive compulsive disorder anyone?!

Graham S1

ooh, tough crowd.

EIL132

There's a man works down the chip shop swears............

GTechR

Probably the same lot that Killed Princess Di

St3V3_C

Graham S1, I really would like to know what you hope to achieve with all of this

There must be something more constructive you can do with your time?

I don't know, perhaps you really can topple the US government

PS - I don't think you have the quote in your sig right...

PhilM

Dude, I never did get my DVD Any chance you can send it lol

Simon

simon

rs_daz

My dvd i got stoped half way through was gd to that point

Graham S1

daz, Phil new DVD's on the way.

Since the first lot I sent ut, I've slowed down the burning speed, and a lot less are skipping/freezing.

why all this? to demonstrate how easily the public is lied to by both Governments and media. I don't want you ALL to give up your day jobs, and turn full time anarchists, (thats my job ) , simply, do not accept everything you are told straight off.

Versus_Creations

iTrader: (1)

can i have one of your dvds dude heard loads about it now.

Tabz @ S.M.Auto's

iTrader: (1)

Graham any chance of another dvd as mine froze, I shall pay towards it.
Many thanx

Graham S1

Yes way. There was the first ever "power down" at the towers the weekend before. Plenty of time IMHO.

And who was head of security at the towers? Marvin Bush.

Anonymous

that DVD that Graham S1 sent out is foooking bad. it was a set up big time. even watching other programmes about it dont answer questions. watch the DVD. i have people i know who said shut up Rob about it b4 they watched it. now that dvd has been sent round a lot of people that work for my council and BAA @ Heathrow

trust me watch the DVD and your view will change...BIG TIME

Less.

Theories assumptions
If you dislike the amercians govermanet go live in China and complain about the tianmin (spL) square where they ran the stiudents with tanks.

Or Oh you would be couldnt

rsrob

i work at manchester airport and have passed it about too

great dvd btw

Less.

Oh hang on we all saw it happen it on Tv so that properganda

Oh hang on a min these Dvds are properganda of the thories

Porkie

iTrader: (1)

Mine skips matey and then stops shame coz I was enjoying it as it goes

Can I buy another?

Adrian

Mine just plain refused to work on anything that I tried it on

Any chance?

JoeE30

Less why do you have to go live in china to think that the us government arnt playing by the rules???

They are a slimy bunch or red neck wankers who use money as a reason to kill thousands of people....

America have and always will think they are better then ever other country...

One thing, If the USA and GB think it is their job to keep an eye on other people stock pilling WMD whos job is it to watch over the US and GB, cos we are still building WMD and so are the yanks......

MWF

The problem with the theory Reynolds supports is that is bears non of its findings on facts but pure opinion. The theory argues that the fires in the towers didn't burn hot enough because they "didn't look that hot" when in fact people like Thomas Eagar (professor of materials engineering and engineering systems at MIT), and many many other fire and material experts from all over the world have agreed that they were.

I found a theory the other day that 767's never hit the towers and in fact 3d generated planes were superimposed onto the live video feeds on news channels.

Controlled demolition - My aching ass

Graham S1

Your going to have a mighty sore ass then How else are you going to prove that it wasn't controlled demolition, what else would contribute to the FACT (and we have plenty of evidence of this), that both towers fell at near enough (within seconds) the same speed that they would have done in freefall in a vacuum.

Try telling that to the lady pictured in the opening where the plane went in shortly before they collapsed.

and thats exactly what it is at the moment. theory. think about it, we have the computer and FX power to pull off such a thing. so it remains a possibility. but just that at the moment.

Les.. moving to China... doesn't sound like a bad idea actually. Better than sticking round in this country much longer. As John Simpson (BBC reporter) quoted in one of his books (I'd love my country, I would die for my country, I'm just not keen on living there )

Keith, Ryhs et al... the offer is still open if you want a dvd. Can't see how you can argue about something you haven't seen. You are not trying to disprove any of the things I'm saying, without using insults. Pretty childish really.

Rhys

This is like a broken record!


Havent you got other subject to discus mate, or u just a one topic wonder?

Anonymous

I agree with that

Graham S1

nope

https://passionford.com/forum/search...thor=Graham+S1

MWF

As mentioned it's just speculation and opinion and remains ignorant to the facts that are obvious.

1. A 767 loaded with fuel hit each tower at high speed
2. A larger number of floors in each tower caught fire
3. Both buildings suffered structural failure around the point of impact and colapsed
4. An overwhelming number of experts said they saw nothing unusual

Now you, and others, can keep convincing yourself that there is a deeper mystery to it all but you'll just have to accept that thousands of people died in a brutal and crude conspiracy by terrorists.

You have to remember you are supporting a elaborate theory by a government that couldn't cover up a break in at a cheesy hotel.

Next you'll be telling me Lee Harvey Oswald couldn't have fired the number of shots he did when he assasinated JFK.

Rich_w

What you fail to realise. Is that. Its only 1 persons "Opinion" a former advisor of Bush's. This guy has said something and The Washington Times paper has reported it.

Doesnt mean jack shit really. Its like Bob Geldof saying "Destroy eBay" and The Sun reporting he said "Destroy eBay" Its not based on fact and its not a story the newspaper agrees with



Fooking Nut Bags who think we care on this website anyway. But you keep going as you amuse me

Anonymous

ImaRacing 700

I watched the DVD and can i say if it was a demolition who the fuck they get to kamikaze the planes? Or did they offer them a warm welcome by God with a half price drinks voucher!

EIL132

Can you amagine how many people would have to be involved in this conspiracy? Could you honestly imagine them all agreeing to do this and keep there mouths shut for ever more and nobody notice the ring of detonators wrapped around the buildings it would take to down them? My boss was in charge of downing the flats in Oxgangs that was on National Geographic a couple of months ago and they are minature in comparisson and you couldn't miss the explosions that brought them down. Could you imagine the size of the explosion and how many witnesses, i.e. film crews there would be? Do you know how much explosives they use to do this and it ain't a case of planting a huge bomb at the bottom Is Bin Laden in on it aswell or is that George Bush sitting in the cave now some people

Ratty

iTrader: (1)

Graham S1 have you every seen charges going off in a controlled demolition

With 911 there was no explosive dust cloud, no explosive noise, no outward blast face

Its complete bollox

Graham S1

err, both are FACT actually. you can time the fall of the towers yourself, and look up the speed of freefall in a vacuum. heres the photo of the person in the towers before collapse.



A plane yes. A 767. Not been sufficiently proven yet. At the moment looks like the 400, which AA didn't have.

Agreed. Same happened to the Windsor building in Spain.

And had nothing to do with the explosions coming out of the building on the lower floors which are visible as the towers go down?

Experts also say there is something wrong. There are many engineers all over the owrld discussing this. Even more so in recent months. What they say depends on who pays their wages really. Popular Mechanics, recently tried to debunk all the 911 evidence. The repurcussions of that is more attention being drawn to it, and more questions being asked. Popular Mechanics is owned by the Hearst Coporation. There's your lead...

Don't need to convince my self. I know. If that was true, then yes I would have to accept it. But as I know something wrong is going on, I don't accept the fact that it is right for 3000 people should die in order to make an elite few so much richer and more powerful.

Isn't this proving that theory wrong right now? If they did it right, we wouldn't even be having this discussion?

Pass. I haven't been looking into JFK as much. Seen the film a while back. You'll have to ask someone else on that.

Glad to be of service You will care when you realise how much money is siphoned out of your pocket, from your car to the taxman.

Same people they get to do suicide bombing missions? Upon promises of virgins in heaven.

Not a lot really. Just a few people in the right places. Anyone speaks out, they suddenly fimd them selves in an accident. Or suicided. Happened quite a lot recently. Hunter S Thompson was supposedly writing about the child sex and gay sex rings high up in Washington.

No ring needed. Simply blow the core out. Do you think all the firefighters that reported explosions are nuts?



Right, I'm off to play with my car for a bit.

MWF

Basically Graham S1 people like you -WANT- to believe there is a conspiracy, you want to think you know more than the common person and there will be nothing to ever stop you believing in what you choose to believe. Every bit of fact or evidence that ever comes you way, no matter how dubious or speculative that you think helps your case you will jump behind and support as much as you can, every piece of evidence proving otherwise you will invent reasons against it.

How long is it now since this happened? It was the most widely screened terrorist attack in history, thousands watched in person and millions watching live via TV. If there was there had been anything slightly dubious about what happened there would have been a wave of reports saying this straight afterwards.

Yet after all this time the only evidence conspiracy theorists have is still based on squinting at crummy compressed web videos, speculating critical factors based on circumstantial evidence and making up their own facts.

A picture of a woman standing on the opening of the hole in the towers does not prove the fires were not hot enough to warp steel. How about the people throwing themselves out the windows?

Comparing the damage to the Windsor building in Spain does not prove the towers shouldn't have colapsed, the Windsor building wasn't hit by a 767.

Basing theories on "Well somebody heard someone say they heard a bomb" when thousands others didn't also proves nothing.

I'm afraid the real conspiracy is the people who make this stuff up and try to get others to believe. Conspiracy theories have always been plauged by people who report facts that simply aren't true, they ploy niave people like yourself with what they claim to be evidence and dupe you with sensation into joining their cause. You are being conned into believing something so people can sell books and DVD's and get their names in the paper I'm afraid. This is the irony of Conspiracy Thories really, it's the believers who are often being lied to by the people they trust.

Rhys

Mate have you come to these conclusions your self? or just of TV programes who want to make it look like this to get TV ratings?


For fuck sake there was to massive planes that hit them!! DO you honestly thing most buildings would stand to it? If i had the money i would build a big building for you and you can fly a plane into it!

SimonT

Very interesting pic.

Its not a photoshop but a computer enhanced image. I have the original somewhere. Its less clear cut unfortunatly

SimonT

Also some good structual info here:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/trusstheory.html

Going off subject a bit - but remember the Anthrax scares? That was short lived wasn;t it!

SimonT

Also you might wanna check this out:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/cutter.html

Kept very quiet that one

Rich_w

Id like a moderator to BAN Graham S1,

Its just random shite. That has Fuck all to do with cars. Plus he can then go moaning to his co-conspirators about how "the man" gagged him.

We ALL win.



Oh and what MWF said