Why don't some engine builders check little ends....
11-05-2005, 09:38 PM
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Why don't some engine builders check little ends....
Had a rebuild from scs in 6k
then it was rebuilt - everything checked apart from pulling the head off and taking the pistons out.
I found that the oil spray bar was blocked and the sump was full of swarf.
Run up on the dyno like this...
So now after 2.3k the little ends knock.....
Either they where never checked and replaced at original build or the run on the dyno has fucked em.
Either way its very poor....
Karl said they should be ok but needs addressing as soon as possible.....
So I paid SCS to rebuild an engine that failed down to a mapping issue caused by someone i paid to map it only to pay to have it rebuild and mapped proffessionally and properly once again...
then it was rebuilt - everything checked apart from pulling the head off and taking the pistons out.
I found that the oil spray bar was blocked and the sump was full of swarf.
Run up on the dyno like this...
So now after 2.3k the little ends knock.....
Either they where never checked and replaced at original build or the run on the dyno has fucked em.
Either way its very poor....
Karl said they should be ok but needs addressing as soon as possible.....
So I paid SCS to rebuild an engine that failed down to a mapping issue caused by someone i paid to map it only to pay to have it rebuild and mapped proffessionally and properly once again...
11-05-2005, 09:44 PM
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Had my cozzy rods re-little ended ! by Farndon
So easy to neglect the bearing surface and "assume" them to be fine !
I had my little ends replaced due to me previous experience's with two-stroke motor bike engines (little end bearings are a major wear item on a two stroke engine)
So easy to neglect the bearing surface and "assume" them to be fine !
I had my little ends replaced due to me previous experience's with two-stroke motor bike engines (little end bearings are a major wear item on a two stroke engine)
11-05-2005, 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by YUM360
Dont get that sort of service at MAD 
Made 406 bhp - mine made 405 on same day......
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11-05-2005, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by dingy
Originally Posted by YUM360
Dont get that sort of service at MAD
11-05-2005, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by dingy
Originally Posted by YUM360
Dont get that sort of service at MAD
Made 406 bhp - mine made 405 on same day......
The only time Mad tony,s or any of my engine where there was when they where being run on the dyno and never at any other time.
Mark
11-05-2005, 09:56 PM
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Mark, you said to me in person in the most arrogant of fashions - cams are secret.
Be a standard exhaust and k2 inlet, i saw the parts and saw the engine.
be the same shite map also, deny all you want but the engine will be this spec
Nick's head - 27mm inlet
K2 inlet
standard zorst
200block - 6 long studs
standard oil pump with uprated spring
blues
t34.63
And i can bet its EXACTLY the same map that was in my engine.
Bullshit aside, but you will deny this, but whne 2 engines are being built then one makes 1 bhp more than the other with exactly the same curves for torque and bhp, its the same engine - can't see it any other way to be honest.
Be a standard exhaust and k2 inlet, i saw the parts and saw the engine.
be the same shite map also, deny all you want but the engine will be this spec
Nick's head - 27mm inlet
K2 inlet
standard zorst
200block - 6 long studs
standard oil pump with uprated spring
blues
t34.63
And i can bet its EXACTLY the same map that was in my engine.
Bullshit aside, but you will deny this, but whne 2 engines are being built then one makes 1 bhp more than the other with exactly the same curves for torque and bhp, its the same engine - can't see it any other way to be honest.
11-05-2005, 10:03 PM
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Not looking for an arguement to be honest - but YUM has to step on the band wagon....
TO be honest mate unless you are there when they build the engine you have no fucking idea what they do or don't do.
Bit like tony mapping nutters air injectors and not changing the map and charging him ? WTF after charging him 5k to fit super 8 and map it.....
Really fed up
TO be honest mate unless you are there when they build the engine you have no fucking idea what they do or don't do.
Bit like tony mapping nutters air injectors and not changing the map and charging him ? WTF after charging him 5k to fit super 8 and map it.....
Really fed up
11-05-2005, 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by dingy
Mark, you said to me in person in the most arrogant of fashions - cams are secret.
Be a standard exhaust and k2 inlet, i saw the parts and saw the engine.
be the same shite map also, deny all you want but the engine will be this spec
Nick's head - 27mm inlet
K2 inlet
standard zorst
200block - 6 long studs
standard oil pump with uprated spring
blues
t34.63
And i can bet its EXACTLY the same map that was in my engine.
Bullshit aside, but you will deny this, but whne 2 engines are being built then one makes 1 bhp more than the other with exactly the same curves for torque and bhp, its the same engine - can't see it any other way to be honest.
Be a standard exhaust and k2 inlet, i saw the parts and saw the engine.
be the same shite map also, deny all you want but the engine will be this spec
Nick's head - 27mm inlet
K2 inlet
standard zorst
200block - 6 long studs
standard oil pump with uprated spring
blues
t34.63
And i can bet its EXACTLY the same map that was in my engine.
Bullshit aside, but you will deny this, but whne 2 engines are being built then one makes 1 bhp more than the other with exactly the same curves for torque and bhp, its the same engine - can't see it any other way to be honest.
then how come tonys engine is still running ?
11-05-2005, 10:08 PM
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Re: Why don't some engine builders check little ends....
Getting away from the usual 'Bait Dingy with MAD propaganda' course of events!
That sadly doesnt surprise me - it seems that this kind of service is accepted in the tuning world. I'm sure that there ARE exceptions, but it appears that this kind of thing happens a lot.
Dingy - you saying that the little ends were fooked by det?
Neil.
Originally Posted by dingy
So I paid SCS to rebuild an engine that failed down to a mapping issue caused by someone i paid to map it only to pay to have it rebuild and mapped proffessionally and properly once again...
Dingy - you saying that the little ends were fooked by det?
Neil.
11-05-2005, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by YUM360
Originally Posted by dingy
Not looking for an arguement to be honest - but YUM has to step on the band wagon....
Thought we was talking about little ends then you change it to Tonys engine??????
You jump, i defend....simple really......
Passed caring to be honest, jump all you want.....
11-05-2005, 10:11 PM
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Dingy your wrong on just about all the parts, My head spec is not that big, Inlet cam is also very diff, Turbo on that day was also diff, it was a Roller bearing front with a larger comp wheel but this was changed about 1 week after the dyno as it surged like a bastid, if you over laid the boost graph you would see that lower down it would have been using less boost than yours as it was surging,
The Injectors were also flat out and was running 12.6afr at max power,
Ahmed mapped it so the base map would have been the same to start,
Dont you realise by now you were fed so much shit you were swiming in it
You also know now the hard way also I bet you would not want to add it up and you are still paying the price now all those years down the line.
Mark
The Injectors were also flat out and was running 12.6afr at max power,
Ahmed mapped it so the base map would have been the same to start,
Dont you realise by now you were fed so much shit you were swiming in it
You also know now the hard way also I bet you would not want to add it up and you are still paying the price now all those years down the line.Mark
11-05-2005, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by RANJ
Originally Posted by dingy
Mark, you said to me in person in the most arrogant of fashions - cams are secret.
Be a standard exhaust and k2 inlet, i saw the parts and saw the engine.
be the same shite map also, deny all you want but the engine will be this spec
Nick's head - 27mm inlet
K2 inlet
standard zorst
200block - 6 long studs
standard oil pump with uprated spring
blues
t34.63
And i can bet its EXACTLY the same map that was in my engine.
Bullshit aside, but you will deny this, but whne 2 engines are being built then one makes 1 bhp more than the other with exactly the same curves for torque and bhp, its the same engine - can't see it any other way to be honest.
Be a standard exhaust and k2 inlet, i saw the parts and saw the engine.
be the same shite map also, deny all you want but the engine will be this spec
Nick's head - 27mm inlet
K2 inlet
standard zorst
200block - 6 long studs
standard oil pump with uprated spring
blues
t34.63
And i can bet its EXACTLY the same map that was in my engine.
Bullshit aside, but you will deny this, but whne 2 engines are being built then one makes 1 bhp more than the other with exactly the same curves for torque and bhp, its the same engine - can't see it any other way to be honest.
then how come tonys engine is still running ?
A use it
B track it...
Tony was sound, not getting me to disrespect him or his car so please...
If would have asked mark to do it at the same time as harvey i would have paid 6k instead of 4.3k for the same engine which was my point.
11-05-2005, 10:15 PM
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Re: Why don't some engine builders check little ends....
Originally Posted by Neil S
Dingy - you saying that the little ends were fooked by det?
Neil.
Mark, sorry but I don't believe you or scs so it makes no odds.....i know what i saw at scs.....i know it made the same power, surely it would be different if the spec was different ?
Am past caring to be fair....wash my hands of ever listening to advice off a BBS LOL....
11-05-2005, 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by RANJ
maybe if u paid the 6k, u wudnt be posting this drivel again
So if you hadn't fucking replied then maybe it would have been dead and buried allready.
11-05-2005, 10:20 PM
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dingle, tony drive his car like a foookin animal, probably the most aggressive driver i know, he should go on track i think he would be pertty damn good.
Shite news about the engine
Went out with Tony on Saturday night, and had a awesome night
Shite news about the engine
Went out with Tony on Saturday night, and had a awesome night
11-05-2005, 10:21 PM
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Dingy remember you saw what he showed you but was it actuly Tony's graph,
Also You have seen how my engines have performed over the years and they have always been complety diff than his, So you are telling me that he is making my engines better than his
Maybe in the future you will come to see all that you were told was just as it looks bullshit, This is not having a go at you only your belives at what you shit you have been feed.
Mark
Also You have seen how my engines have performed over the years and they have always been complety diff than his, So you are telling me that he is making my engines better than his
Maybe in the future you will come to see all that you were told was just as it looks bullshit, This is not having a go at you only your belives at what you shit you have been feed.
Mark
11-05-2005, 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by RANJ
does it matter, its used hard, all u care and bang on about is track, some peeps use there cars for other purposes
30 mins on any track is more than 100 lauch's in the street mate.....
No offense to Yum or mark but mad tony's car mapped by ahmed with 406 bhp is faster 0-60 0-100 and 1/4 than yums mapped by mark....
Mark, are you saying it didn't make 406.....if i could possibly trust you then i would send you my map as it was on the dyno then you could compare, if its the same ahmed map it will be identical - BUT this will never happen.
11-05-2005, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by dingy
Either way my little ends are fucked :'(
New rods ordered btw.......time to get a professional to build the engine
New rods ordered btw.......time to get a professional to build the engine
07768 356204
is a good place to start
11-05-2005, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by dingy
Originally Posted by RANJ
does it matter, its used hard, all u care and bang on about is track, some peeps use there cars for other purposes
No offense to Yum or mark but mad tony's car mapped by ahmed with 406 bhp is faster 0-60 0-100 and 1/4 than yums mapped by mark.
But once l get the uprated box l will smash my times set at brunters
11-05-2005, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by dingy
Originally Posted by RANJ
yes but no but yes, would your old setup last 100 launches tho
u really dont get it either do ya,
11-05-2005, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by RANJ
Originally Posted by dingy
Either way my little ends are fucked :'(
New rods ordered btw.......time to get a professional to build the engine
New rods ordered btw.......time to get a professional to build the engine
07768 356204
is a good place to start
What are marks professional qualifications, then i will compare to my choice.
Not a piss take...
And if some fucker says he hit 200mph at brunters then i am defo not using him cause i don't want that with my car so its irrelevant.
11-05-2005, 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by YUM360
Originally Posted by dingy
Originally Posted by RANJ
does it matter, its used hard, all u care and bang on about is track, some peeps use there cars for other purposes
No offense to Yum or mark but mad tony's car mapped by ahmed with 406 bhp is faster 0-60 0-100 and 1/4 than yums mapped by mark.
But once l get the uprated box l will smash my times set at brunters
11-05-2005, 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by RANJ
Originally Posted by dingy
Originally Posted by RANJ
yes but no but yes, would your old setup last 100 launches tho
u really dont get it either do ya,
How many track days ?
How many lauch's ?
How long you driven it ?
I have done probably 40-50 track days
Done 1000's of launch's
Done about 80,000 miles in mine
