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is there a price somewhere? Not that im buying one just wondered how the price compares to some of the 1000bhp + R35s that pop up forsale
It's £55k mate, but the 88 os giken 6 speed sequential box in it is serious money, and if it is a tomei 2.8 motor again mega money built
It's a proper stripped out race car, I've never had one like that, and this one is worth alot of cash in parts aswell theyve gone like the cosworths have on prices now
Last edited by scoooby slayer; 21-12-2019 at 09:05 AM.
It's £55k mate, but the 88 os giken 6 speed sequential box in it is serious money, and if it is a tomei 2.8 motor again mega money built
It's a proper stripped out race car, I've never had one like that, and this one is worth alot of cash in parts aswell theyve gone like the cosworths have on prices now
At 55k that seems a very decent price considering the spec, was expecting one of those cars with the price based on whats been spect on the car - £10
At 55k that seems a very decent price considering the spec, was expecting one of those cars with the price based on whats been spect on the car - £10
you tempted then
Haha yeah there's some of them about, saw a 33 gtr on stock box for £48k lol there in cuckoo land
This one here isn't cheap but definitely not buildable to advertised spec for anywhere bear £55k, I'd guess would be over £100k
I am tempted tbh as it's another itch I've yet to scratch a sequential box and stripped out race car, and them twin top mounts how cool is that, and I do love them old gtrs there bloody brilliant, I'd have to price it up though and work out if it's worth £55k
I've been having a read and apparently the os 88 box is rated to 1500 hp
On nengun the box is £14000, tomei stroker kit £6000, plus theres shipping and taxes to pay
Still on stock cas so that needs junking and says on the list hks mixture controller also as well as f con pro. So for me that needs a ecu and cas upgrade. Mapped a few of these cars and cas has to be junked at that level.
Still on stock cas so that needs junking and says on the list hks mixture controller also as well as f con pro. So for me that needs a ecu and cas upgrade. Mapped a few of these cars and cas has to be junked at that level.
Mark
My old r33 didn't scatter to bad mate on fcon with a good condition cas, was running 710 hp 8500 rpm limiter
I would imagine it would be a fair size bill for new ECU, all associated sensors required, cas delete and new trigger plus mapping.
I assume all that would also make all the other hks stuff redundant, it's got controllers for everything
My old r33 didn't scatter to bad mate on fcon with a good condition cas, was running 710 hp 8500 rpm limiter
I would imagine it would be a fair size bill for new ECU, all associated sensors required, cas delete and new trigger plus mapping.
I assume all that would also make all the other hks stuff redundant, it's got controllers for everything
yea, the ones you'd posted above. 7k starting point is BAD lol
Bloody horrific bud the good thing about that original plot though at least it proves the motor will do 1030 ps, that's gotta be at the hubs aswell as I've never seen a corrected flywheel figure on a dynapack, and high boost map was 2.2 bar I believe, 1030 ps plus 15 for each hub theoretically 1090 crank ps or 1075 hp
just doing the turbos gained over 1000 rpm spool with more modern internals
its still a small band but as a race and drag car with using an 8000 rpm limit it would still have 2250 rpm power band which would be ample especially if it had a geartronics on it for flatshifting
I'm really fancying it so I'd have a proper stripped out race car, so I can go to pod and give it death instead of fannying about like I do with my road cars lol
Last edited by scoooby slayer; 24-12-2019 at 08:28 PM.
Then you'll need to buy a tow car and a trailer lol Not sure if RS6 has towbar options ? certainly has the power
And as Mark says, a new trigger setup and ecu would probably be very worthwhile upgrades vs all that old HKS stuff.
I've got an 06 range rover sport I can use for towing, tdv8, car is road legal but at least I wouldn't have to worry about how I get home lol
I know what you mean on the ECU but if the cas is in good condition and cambelt has no flex I'm hoping scatter won't be to bad, it's got all the goodies for launch control, AWD control etc as it's basically got the full hks catalogue of electronics, I remember when Garth mapped my r33 on the fcon it was bang on to be fair but his advice was 8000 rpm aim to shift with limiter at 8500 iirc
Dunno what to do yet, half wish I hadn't seen it as got a hard on for it now lol
It is great being able to drive, race, and drive home. But also carries risks.
It is also great to have a trailer/spares etc too...but that in itself also opens up other issues. Not so bad if you can simply arrive/drive and return the same day.
Certainly for us over here it's a fuck up as much as it is a help. Generally it means a stay over somewhere, which means a huge parking risk. Last time mates van got broken into and about £3k worth of tools stolen. All things considered that was a lucky escape as the cars werent touched. But in general travelling with a vehicle in tow, is just a hassle.
Except when it breaks lol....then it's great.
Really depends what would be the most fun though. If you start chasing goals or times....sometimes that's where the fun ends, and misery starts.
It is great being able to drive, race, and drive home. But also carries risks.
It is also great to have a trailer/spares etc too...but that in itself also opens up other issues. Not so bad if you can simply arrive/drive and return the same day.
Certainly for us over here it's a fuck up as much as it is a help. Generally it means a stay over somewhere, which means a huge parking risk. Last time mates van got broken into and about £3k worth of tools stolen. All things considered that was a lucky escape as the cars werent touched. But in general travelling with a vehicle in tow, is just a hassle.
Except when it breaks lol....then it's great.
Really depends what would be the most fun though. If you start chasing goals or times....sometimes that's where the fun ends, and misery starts.
It wouldn't be competitive mate just for fun, I live so close to Santa pod it's only 30 miles away from me.
I could load up night before as parking in my yard is all secure then I'm ready to set off early
Imagine it with flatshifting could potentially shift and be back on the power quicker than my gtr is
I know matt j Hollinger sequential box shifts faster than my r35, I just cant remember the figures il go and try find the thread
Physically impossible unless the DCT has been programmed to be very gentle
A good datalog would show this even as basic as speed vs time, or better showing all the processes going on during a shift
A DCT "shifting"...is simply the clutches swapping. The actual physical gearchange has already happened long before you request it. So automatically saves a lot of time.
A sequential box is power releasing, the actual gearchange in the box needs to happen which alone is going to take around 50ms, then power can re-engage. The entire process takes time.
A DCT change on the other hand, can easily be done in a lot less time. Just depends how aggressive you want that clutch transfer to be etc.
By comparison, my wonderful synchro H pattern.....is probably about 0.5s or more for a shift lol
It's funny, a friend who has a R33 was just saying the other day he wanted a stronger gearbox....and also the auto in his 730 BMW was great. I said he should fit one to the R33 lol.
Or there are those using BMW DCT boxes, or Porsche now. Lots of options for transmission these days, to fir to an R33 would just need a transfer box adapted etc. Well...and all the other fitment issues
It's funny, a friend who has a R33 was just saying the other day he wanted a stronger gearbox....and also the auto in his 730 BMW was great. I said he should fit one to the R33 lol.
Or there are those using BMW DCT boxes, or Porsche now. Lots of options for transmission these days, to fir to an R33 would just need a transfer box adapted etc. Well...and all the other fitment issues
Took me ages but I found it, stock r35 shift time is 120 ms, Matt j flatshift on the Hollinger 50 ms I think he did 154 mph 1/4 mile iirc and in the 9s
I hear ya though on these new gearboxes they are brilliant, the one in my rs6 is a tough old thing, not as quick but still quick and very tough keeps taking over 700 lbft up it's arse lol
But it's the having an os giken 88 sequential in it that draws me to the car, like rods car I used to lust for that spec, and with skylines I wanted a sequential and to flatshift drag racing, and I've never had a twin top mount set up either, so much easier to work on than the low mounts
Took me ages but I found it, stock r35 shift time is 120 ms, Matt j flatshift on the Hollinger 50 ms I think he did 154 mph 1/4 mile iirc and in the 9s
I hear ya though on these new gearboxes they are brilliant, the one in my rs6 is a tough old thing, not as quick but still quick and very tough keeps taking over 700 lbft up it's arse lol
But it's the having an os giken 88 sequential in it that draws me to the car, like rods car I used to lust for that spec, and with skylines I wanted a sequential and to flatshift drag racing, and I've never had a twin top mount set up either, so much easier to work on than the low mounts
The entire shift time will not be 50ms though. Same with a mates sequential....yes the actual movement of the drum might take 50ms, the movement of the shift fork. But in order to achieve that, power must be cut first, and then re-applied. The entire time IS longer.
So saying that "50ms", isnt really telling the true picture. I could easily say my mates Samsonas only takes 40ms in some cases....but the reality is an actual shift takes longer.
With the GTR, it really wouldnt matter if the physical shift time took 50, or even 200ms....because that isnt what's happening when you feel it change gear. The actual gear selection has already taken place much earlier, when it comes to the driver requesting a "shift"....it just transfers clutch from one set of gears to the other. And as soon as that's done, the next physical gear is selected in readiness for your next request some time later.
And as I said to my mate with the R33. Having experienced both dog boxes and sequentials. Not a chance would I ever want one for a road driven car. Some aspects have appeal....many more dont though.
There’s some cleaver people out there. Certainly looks a sleeper
It's becoming quite a popular swap, There are some ecu's that can control them, and there are also now some standalone controllers you can interface with most aftermarket ecu's too.
Interestingly, the ones I've hard of both originate from Sweden. I know there's another crowd in France with a DSG option for the VW boxes. The Swedish one is intended for all types of auto and DCT, although whether they've actually fully functional units tested in all matters, is very early days yet
But the DCT boxes seem to be very good, very strong, and they will become more readily available. Lots of positives really, and very tempted myself.
Another cool company in the UK offering the same sort of thing, more aimed at the mid engined race car stuff, like Ultimas etc. Is Auto Bionics. They do some cool shit, and post some on Facebook. Probably pricey though
At 55k that seems a very decent price considering the spec, was expecting one of those cars with the price based on whats been spect on the car - £10
you tempted then
After a discussion coincidentally the cars bottom line price is the same as my r35 was
I've priced up most of the main parts and it's £60k new, plus theres some stuff I didn't price and also the cost of the shell, then the labour to build it all.
It's certainly worth a good bit in the sum of its parts, not sure what I'm gonna do yet, waiting on some more info on it at this stage
20-12-2019, 05:30 PM
1000 hp r33 gtr
