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Old 25-08-2018 | 09:28 PM
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I have a 1987 Sierra XR6 from South Africa which has the Essex V6 engine as standard, the engine has been stage three modified so plenty of power. I have just fitted a T5 Cosworth Gearbox and prop shaft but my Diff has come from a Sierra Ghia. I have little power at the bottom end (ie I need lots of reeves to get started), so I’m convinced I have the wrong Diff. I want to fit a Cosworth diff but I’m not sure what ratios I need? Any help or guidance would be appreciated David

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You would need a diff from a 2.9 v6 sierra. They are a 7inch viscous lsd.

Think it's 3.62:1 ratio but cannot be sure.
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Thanks very much for coming back to me, am I right in thinking the Sierra Cosworth was 3.62:1 ratio, if so that should definitely work as the rest of my runnning gear is Cosworth?

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Yes the cossie one is 3.62:1
Will try to find out for deffo.
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Thanks for that, would that be 7” ?
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So 2.8 and 2.9 V6 are 3.6 and 2.0 are 3.9

Think it is a 7" as 7.5" are only found in a 2wd cossie and Granada cossie.
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My XR6 is 2wd, sorry for the bone questions it as you can guess I’m new at this game.

so would I need the 7 or 7.5

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My XR6 is 2wd, sorry for the bone questions it as you can guess I’m new at this game.

so would I need the 7 or 7.5

You will need to measure where the long bolt goes through the diff.
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�� will do many thanks
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The difference between the 7" and 7.5" can obviously be seen on the size, but that can be difficult when you don't have them next to each other. An other thing to look for is that the 7" diff has 2 long bolts (one at the bottom, other at the top) going through the diff to mount it in the beam. The 7.5" diff has only one 1 long bolt at the bottom and uses 2 short bolts from both sides for the top mounting point.
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Also disc brakes on the rear use bolt on shafts and drums have splines shafts.

Hope this helps
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Yes very helpful cheers
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I would first check what ratio you have now. There should be a tag on the back of the diff that has something like 362 in it. That number is the ratio of the diff, 362 means 3.62:1.
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btw it was Marc who wrote the bit I copied
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Might be worth looking for a 2 litre XR4x4 diff as it's a 3.9:1 and has a lsd.

http://www.super7thheaven.co.uk/comp..._differential/
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Hi, am I wrong or would it make sense that because the rest of my drive train is Cosworth ( 2wd) I should be fitting a 2wd Cosworth Diff?

appologise if this nonsense but I only have limited knowledge and I’m getting on a bit.

the diff currently fitted cam from a Sierra Ghia
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Cosworth 2WD diff is wider than the one you have fitted and will not fit your beam without modifications.

Have a look at the tag on the diff you have now and use the link I posted to find out what the ratio is, if you're struggling with low end torque you'll need a lower ratio diff to help pull away.

There's not much point changing it if you end up with a similar ratio, I'm surprised even a tuned Essex V6 has a lack of low down torque though!

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Thanks for that, I’ll have a look to see what I can find on the diff.
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This is what I have on the diff fitted!
Not easy to see but I’m hoping someone can tell me what all this means in terms of ratio?


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That's just casting numbers. Can you take pics of shafts and diff ?
Might help to narrow it down.
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It seems like the tag on the diff is gone. It should have been on the upper left rear corner of the diff. Another option is to remove the rear diff cover. The ratio is written on the crown wheel in white.
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Originally Posted by Mark V8
Cosworth 2WD diff is wider than the one you have fitted and will not fit your beam without modifications.
There are also normal Sierras that had a 7.5” diff, although there weren’t that many.
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Originally Posted by Mark V8
Cosworth 2WD diff is wider than the one you have fitted and will not fit your beam without modifications.

Have a look at the tag on the diff you have now and use the link I posted to find out what the ratio is, if you're struggling with low end torque you'll need a lower ratio diff to help pull away.

There's not much point changing it if you end up with a similar ratio, I'm surprised even a tuned Essex V6 has a lack of low down torque though!
I have had 2 Essex V6 engined cars, a Uren 1600e Savage and a Mk1 Capri with 180bhp and both had loads of low down torque.I don't understand why he is having this problem unless the diff is a really high ratio for top end speed not initial acceleration.
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Originally Posted by cossynut2
I have had 2 Essex V6 engined cars, a Uren 1600e Savage and a Mk1 Capri with 180bhp and both had loads of low down torque.I don't understand why he is having this problem unless the diff is a really high ratio for top end speed not initial acceleration.
Probably worth getting the car set up on a rolling road before changing the diff, the 3.0 Capri had a 3:1 ratio and they never struggled to pull it...
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Agreed but I hav3 the T5 box and propshaft, my engine is pushing plus of 300 bhp and my type 9 was struggling!
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What T5 do you have? Ford falcon and mustang use a T5 but possibly have different ratios?

was it a problem with the type 9?
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As you can see the first gear ratios are very different from type9 to T5

Maybe this is the problem?
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Hi, I have a T5 that was re-built by CTS back to standard, the gearing was not right when I had the type 9 fitted. The diff I have fitted was from a Sierra Ghia ether 2 or 2.3 ltr I think. My Essex V6 is pushing our well over 300 bhp at the wheels so I wanted something fitted that can handle that!

Im no going back to the old running gear therefore I need to solve this Diff issue, to a layman like me with little knowledge it made sense to fit a diff from a 2wd Cosworth. Can somebody confirm if the Sierra Diff was the same fitted to the Scorpio Cosworth?

what was the 2wd Diff, 7 or 7.5?

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David first I'd like to see some pics of the engine.

and then some pics of the diff and shafts.
Are you still running drums on the rear?
Most diffs should have the tag on the back to tell ya.
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Can see any pics.
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Nice is it on triple Webbers ?

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Yes triple Webber conversion plus more done by Rick Wood Racing

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Looks very well done mate

To get anywhere near that power at the wheels out of the Essex V6 it must be very highly strung!
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Yea had lots of work done to it by Rick Wood Racing, this is why I’ve fitted a Cosworth drive train but to complete it I need a 2wd Cosworth box with LSD,

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Imo if you still running drums on the rear you will have a std type diff.
So you will need a complete rear end from a 2wd cosworth which includes lsd with correct shafts disc brakes and the arms with special spherical bushes in them.
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And the propshaft if not already changed.



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