ARMOURER

Looking at e-bay and other sites the prices are crazy. I'm wondering if anyone has sold one recently and what the true prices are? For example what would a standard one in 'good' condition with around 75k miles go for in the real world?

Glenn_

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I would say about 30k easy.

bigdel

As with all of these things, it's all very subjective.

my car with 54k on the clock, never restored,welded or painted is valued at £35k, but if I ever sold it I'd stick it in for more than that , say £40k

at a guess I'd say yours with 75k would be in the region of £30k, so a sale figure of £35k would not be unreasonable. As to whether you'd actually achieve that, who knows?

ARMOURER

Interesting! Basically mine was nicked earlier this year and i'm in dispute with the insurance as they reckon that their in-house engineers are valuing it at £16500. I'm struggling to produce evidence that the car is worth a whole load more at the mo though.

155lee

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They obviously don't use eBay as a valuation guide due to the amount of dreamers on there.
You couldn't buy any roadworthy 3 door for 16500 but what they are "worth" is another debate altogether!

gcfcos

My mate had a similar problem when his car got stolen. The insurance company said after he refused the amount they offered to go and do his own research and get proof and send it to them. It worked and he got decent money in the end. They have to give u the money of what it would cost to buy another one and u can also claim for travelling expenses for viewing potential purchases

ajamesc

the ones you see for sale for big money don't seem to sell or go away then come back on the market lol do any of them really sell for what people seem to think there worth now

gjh

TBH maybe sounding harsh but I'd find it very hard to value a 3 door at over 30k, even as a die hard cossie fan there are better cars and investments to be had.

Cos500

Does anyone know of someone paying 30+k for a 3door?
I've seen the same cars advertised on eBay for ages and they are still there so can't be taken as a true representation, only dreamers advertise on eBay and we would never know what they actually sell for.
I would probably pay 16.5k for a good one at a stretch but would I turn down a new focus Rs to buy an old Sierra?
They need to be independently valued for insurance, not by the rsoc but a credible valuer.

R4N SS

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I had to do this with my BMW 330d AC Schnitzer as there was none for sale in the country and was in dispute with the insurance company. Got what i wanted in the end

It's Czech Mate

That's not what he's asking, he's asking for the going market rate, not what you think it should be worth

It's Czech Mate

Ive been there before myself

Just take copies of all the adverts you can find for 3-dr's for sale, if they're worth more than £16.5k then the adverts will reflect it

gjh

True, but how many genuinely sell at over 30k, the ones on ebay, pistonheads etc have been on there for months and months, don't think they sell as well as some would like to believe, yes they've gained value, but I think people need to be realistic too.

ARMOURER

Thanks for the replies. I've contacted the RSOC to see if they can be of assistance. At the end of the day i'd like to replace the vehicle but from what i'm seeing online I won't be able to do it with the insurance company's current offer.

bigdel

You'd need to produce credible evidence of the condition of your car, and that's not easy as anyone can produce photos of 'a 3dr' but how do you prove that it's 'your' 3dr? That's what you have to convince the insurer of.
It doesn't really matter what people are paying for them though, if you have to go and replace yours, then you need to pay the asking price for whatever is out there. Better to gather evidence of examples from all the price brackets, from the real pigs, the acceptable, the excellent and the exceptional ranges. Hopefully a value can be agreed on using all those yardsticks as a guide.
Ideally you'd have it valued (with 20/20 hindsight) and an agreed valuation policy put in place. Then there can be no argument over a payout.
Contact Paul Bury (scar) at the RSOC. He's the 3dr Registrar (and Chairman now), he may be able to help you with some evidence to support your argument.

stoner

These 3 doors are worth twice as much as the Sapphires. What are the objective differences that make it worth that much more?

Cos500

Get pictures together of your car, receipts if you have them, pull up as many comparisons as you can and prove to the insurance company what it will take to replace, if your not happy speak with the ombudsman and see how you go, you'll defo get a better offer than 16.5 with what's available, really feel for you having it stolen.

Cos500

Well if you go by eBay there's a sapph at 70k, sapphs are supposed to be rarer now but the original Cosworth like the original Rs turbo, rs2000 etc have become collectors pieces so values increase for original examples

Adam-M

Hope the twats sort out the claim mate, how was it stolen and where abouts? Have you looked online to see if any of your parts have surfaced?

ARMOURER

Got loads of pics and have already supplied the insurance company with them.

Nicked from my lockup in Kent. Had it over 13 years so beyond gutted. Me and my mate are scanning e-bay etc. for parts but nothing has turned up yet.

Adam-M

I can imagine you being gutted, I've read of more being stolen in Kent than anywhere else put together I think.

jim_robson

Of course there are better cars and investments to to be had than a 3dr Cossie, not everyone buys a Cossie because it's going up in money.

This is is the argument that always pisses me off, if someone posts up asking about buying a Cossie you always get the people saying 'oh you can get a far better car than a Cossie for that money' yea you probably can but if you want a Cossie then nothing else will do. I wanted a 3dr since I was about 10 I bought mine 5 years ago for 7k, yea I could have got something faster or 'better' but I wanted a 3dr and nothing else would do.

I buy and sell a lot of sierras and I know a fair few people who are mega money into these cars and have also given mega money for them. There are plenty of people who will pay an awful lot for the right car in the right condition, mileage, history etc. At the end of the day 30k isn't a lot these days, most people pay that for brand new daily that will be worth next to nothing in 10 years time.

Vincereese

Tell them you want it replaced same mileage same condition for that money and see if they can find one for that money there offering you. Jokers

gjh

There are less of them and they have possibly a better competition history, plus they are the original cossie.

gjh

Alright calm down! You don't have to agree with me, I love 3 doors and would really want one, but IMO (guess my opinion would be different if I was wealthy) I'd find it very hard to give a large (to me) figure for them.

Adam-M

What would be your preferred choice for 30k?

gjh

Of any car? Probably the best skyline gtr I could get, probably wont get an r34 for that any more but a very good r33 or 32.


Saying that I could be tempted by a V8 vantage, running costs would probably cripple me, no point though i'll never have 30k in the bank.


Something like this:
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifie...rs-car/6579663

t230

This ones at 20k 9 days left


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-SIERR...YAAOSw44BYUv~h

costina

iTrader: (1)

Well someone on here wants 12.5k for a replica.

gjh

Think someone got one quite cheap (escort not 3 door though)






http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/escort-cos...p2047675.l2557

Vincereese

It sold with in 20 mins very cheap car

gjh

Ye, maybe too cheap (I'm always fearful of scams)?? I was half way through reading the description and it went before I got to the end.

costina

iTrader: (1)

You are wrong there are less 2wd saffs than 3drs. Hence why a good 2wd saff is making strong money now.
I would not be surprised if a good 2wd saff will be on par price with a 3dr within 5 years.

JasonPD

I did think that it was the 2wd saff that was the rarest one now.

Do you really think the prices will catch up with the 3rd? I've never really thought about this before..

costina

iTrader: (1)

Yes its like any make of car if its rare then it will be worth more.
I work on a lot of lancias and to be honest they are utter shite and rotted badly hence whats left is worth a fortune and once the collectors know this and start buying them the price goes up.
Any car which is a special edition or rare will be worth big money.
Who would have thought that a S1 would fetch 60k 5 years ago.

gjh

rarest now but in terms of build numbers I believe there were fewer 3 doors.

ajamesc

I think if prices continue to climb as collectors continue to won't good examples 2wd saffs will over take 3drs. Seems the norm now a good 2wd saff is as much as 15 grand. I bet in the real world not the eBay world 3drs don't sell for much more. There's a lot of 3drs out there not very many good 2wd saffs

cossynut2

I do feel sorry for ARMOURER who had his 3 door stolen and hope his Insurance Company sort him out with a decent amount to get another one.
I would be gutted if my 2wd Saff got nicked and that is why I have always had an agreed value on it. No ifs and buts , it gets nicked or written off they pay me £23k to get another one. Although the way prices are going up I think it would cost me all of that to get another one in the same condition and with all the modifications like mine.

ajamesc

Definitely it's heart breaking I'd be gutted if mine got stolen some real low life's out there!
But even with your agreed value problem is now with 2wd's there just not for sale so un less you got lucky you would not be able to replace it

jason_nike

Agree with many of the posts above.
I always wanted a Cosworth and was able to afford them when prices were reasonable, but looking at prices these days I wouldn't buy one.
Unfortunately its supply and demand and collectors are buying them as investments, putting them out of reach of genuine enthusiasts.
Prices are great if you own one but replacing them will be a tough job.
Good luck to OP with claim, hope gets sorted