When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission. Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network.
General Car Related Discussion.To discuss anything that is related to cars and automotive technology that doesnt naturally fit into another forum catagory.
Hi guys , iv been offered a sierra sapphire rs cosworth ,white,4door for £4250. I know the blokes had it for 16yr sand it's been sat for the last 6yrs. It does need work doing tho. Needs attention to archs etc and there's bits of surface rust hear n there. The brake pipes need changing and seats ripped.the bumpers have dropped too.i know there's gonna be ALOT more that needs doing but my plan is to drop the engine(with my dad)
Rebuild what's needed while paint,polishing etc. Send car off to be fully respray once body works preped.
My question is does this sound a reasonable price. The engine sounds sweet with full history etc.
All comments are appreciated and nice to meet you all😊
fair price i would say, i paid £4500 for mine last month, rear arches are shot and its got a few holes in the sills and front floors but is a low owner and original car, ive got a full leather interior inc door cards and all other little bits thatll be up for sale once its stripped
Cheers for the reply. I could be interested in the interior when it's ready😉as I said it's not in great condition but I can't see me losing money on it . My plans to keep it tho and enjoy it
As above great price ,but the way there priced at the moment id be making sure its a real one and has some decent history . or you may as well go buy one at 10k and save yourself a huge headache and some cash if it needs that much work . How many miles does the car have ?? Has the Engine been rebuilt ??
£6000 for a decent engine build
£2000 decent respray
£500 decent arch work
And the list will go on
Sorry I don't want to sound negative but way up the cost of what this car will owe you when finished . Sure it will be great but browsing ebay there's some really nice ones between 10-12k
It's a neighbour who owns it so we know him well,it's defo a real one.
He wouldn't sell it me if I broke it lol he wanted it restored. My dad used to own car garages so knows theses cars and engines inside out so I'm lucky there. We planning on most the work our self but the archs and paint can be given to a pro. Iv not even looked at insurance. 😯I'm 30 next month ,class 1 driver ,no points etc
Be sure its a real one - chassis numbers are easy to check
Silly question how do u guys check. Is there a data base etc just the norm hpi etc.iv just hpi it and it says rs cosworth 2.0L. Vin number is correct with what's on the car as I have pics too
Rear inner and outta arches , ceils will also need doing . The loom will be crusty and need replacing
Check the boot floor , front inner wings also around the sunroof . Engine bay needs a complete over haul
Nice to see a few pictures but if it was my money I would put it towards one that's ready to go .
My view on these cars as people are getting way carried away with prices ,
A 10k+ Saff would need to be straight , original with a folder load of history . Never welded and not messed around with to much . A £4250 car will end up being a £14250 hole in the pocket car .
The one above would make a good parts car . just my opinion .
Insurance will be less than £200 fc on a classic policy
It sounds a reasonable price but rust is the biggest potential problem. Have you checked it underneath, inside the boot etc?
You have to weigh up what its going to cost to rebuild it compared to the cost of buying a good one.It could become a money pit if you are not careful.
Remember finding new parts now is getting hard and prices for them are rocketing.
Your Insurance cost will not be very high, the days of stupid prices are thankfully long gone.
Good luck.
Thats a good price ..if you buy it and sell it on as it is you will make money on it..can guarantee that.. but if you buy it,strip it right down and stat again with it then i can tell you now that it will need alot of money throwing at it because it will have alot of rust in places that at the moment you cant see.. lift the interior carpet up inside car and check all the floor for rot..sills..inner arches.. boot floor ..bet you will find some rust..chassis rails..give it a good going over.. engine bay needs a good clean which wouldnt worry me.. doing the mechanical work is easy as its a old ford ..but buying the parts for them now aint cheap.. personally i would buy the car,tidy it up.. and see how much you want it..and then if you want to keepit then do it up.. but if you then decide its not for you and too much hassle,then sell it and make some money on it as they are worth good money if presentable.
Buy it,break it and make some money then put that Towards a better 1 as that car even as cheap as it is will be a money pit in parts and at the end it will have cost more than its worth to fix.
Jim Robson iirc has a thread on here,pulled a similar saph off a drive and spent a while welding it up,painting it,engine rebuild etc,think his last update was he was breaking it as he was fed up of it.
From experience finding good parts will be the hardest part,add on postage prices,time and fuel driving about collecting parts (wasted time too).
If it's something you want to do go for it but it's looking like an expensive project already and the car looks pretty tired to start with.
Good luck
Get it bought. Its only money. Think of the satisfaction you will get when its restored.
Most cossie owners,including myself have spent a small fortune on them. Its our hobbies at the end of the day. Some people spend a 100 quid on a Saturday night getting pissed. Thats what they enjoy doing so be it.
Silly question how do u guys check. Is there a data base etc just the norm hpi etc.iv just hpi it and it says rs cosworth 2.0L. Vin number is correct with what's on the car as I have pics too
Yes, but that only tells you the registration, it could have been re-shelled or a ringer. Check the VIN under the flap by the drivers seat, not only that it is correct, but also for signs that it's been tampered with. In addition, the last seven characters should match the engine number (assuming it is the original).
Originally Posted by Harris.
Rear inner and outta arches , ceils will also need doing . The loom will be crusty and need replacing
Check the boot floor , front inner wings also around the sunroof . Engine bay needs a complete over haul
Nice to see a few pictures but if it was my money I would put it towards one that's ready to go .
My view on these cars as people are getting way carried away with prices ,
A 10k+ Saff would need to be straight , original with a folder load of history . Never welded and not messed around with to much . A £4250 car will end up being a £14250 hole in the pocket car .
The one above would make a good parts car . just my opinion .
Insurance will be less than £200 fc on a classic policy
This used to be the case, prices have sky rocketed now (hence I have increased my valuation) My premium is a lot more than that and that is with restrictions.
Great buy at that money your not loose out. And if it needs a little work who cares if you can do bits yourself. Engines are easy to work on and only get really expensive if you start going for big power.
Paint and body work is very costly and peoples views on a good job vary massively. Wear I'm from if you strip it and drop it off your get a good job for the 2 grand mark
Yes, but that only tells you the registration, it could have been re-shelled or a ringer. Check the VIN under the flap by the drivers seat, not only that it is correct, but also for signs that it's been tampered with. In addition, the last seven characters should match the engine number (assuming it is the original).
This used to be the case, prices have sky rocketed now (hence I have increased my valuation) My premium is a lot more than that and that is with restrictions.
Martin
Mine was the same price for nearly 10 years so It will be less than £200
I insure my RS4 fc for £288 and only have 2years NCB now
I think a lot of it is down to if you are going to do the work yourself (as labour costs will make this financially unviable) and if you are doing it for the love of the car or to make a few quid.
Doubt you'd make a profit from it but if you want to save the car then great as I hate seeing these cars broken up and it is always nice to see another cossie being saved
Hi and welcome.
If you need any help with insurance at all then please feel free to drop me a line. I'd be only too pleased to try and help out.
Regards,
Dan.
£2,000 would be a budget paint job i'd say. I had a proper strip down, back to metal paint job on an XR3i I owned a decade ago and that was £2,500.... Off course i lost the car on black ice and hit a kerb a couple of months later so scrapped the car. Money was cannon fodder back then.
3 years ago I had a paint job on one of my RS' £850 in material and £600 in labour... Needless to say it was pretty shocking after a few weeks cracks appeared in the paint.
Personally i'd budget upto £5,000 for a proper paintjob.
£2,000 would be a budget paint job i'd say. I had a proper strip down, back to metal paint job on an XR3i I owned a decade ago and that was £2,500.... Off course i lost the car on black ice and hit a kerb a couple of months later so scrapped the car. Money was cannon fodder back then.
3 years ago I had a paint job on one of my RS' £850 in material and £600 in labour... Needless to say it was pretty shocking after a few weeks cracks appeared in the paint.
Personally i'd budget upto £5,000 for a proper paintjob.
I stripped mine down dropped it off supplied a new rear panel then once done picked it up and put it all back together. 1500 cash. It's not concourse or anything but a dam sight better than a lot I've seen lol
Looks like it's fairly standard and not messed with, if that was listed on eBay as a barn find it would fetch 10k at the min, I'd have that for 4K no worries as even buying one for 14k it could be a crock of shit underneath all the shiney paint, at least it's a good base to build a car to your own spec with.
Buy it,break it and make some money then put that Towards a better 1 as that car even as cheap as it is will be a money pit in parts and at the end it will have cost more than its worth to fix.
Jim Robson iirc has a thread on here,pulled a similar saph off a drive and spent a while welding it up,painting it,engine rebuild etc,think his last update was he was breaking it as he was fed up of it.
From experience finding good parts will be the hardest part,add on postage prices,time and fuel driving about collecting parts (wasted time too).
If it's something you want to do go for it but it's looking like an expensive project already and the car looks pretty tired to start with.
Good luck
I did indeed do a similar thing, spent a lot of time doing that car and once the second engine fucked up I'd had enough, I'm now building it into a 3dr.
That white saph is cheap enough, but as said I'd either sell it on and make a bit or break it and put the profit towards a nicer one.
Mine was the same price for nearly 10 years so It will be less than £200
I insure my RS4 fc for £288 and only have 2years NCB now
Who u insured with? I'm 47 full NCB never had claim, clean licence, been driving 30 yrs and my insurance is £400 n that's cheapest quote. Cheapest respray I can get is 5grand n I've had quotes for 10 n 12 grand
If you don't mind me asking, how old are you? I had my car a long time, full NCB and it's a lot more than that.
Martin
I got the 3 door when I was 25 . 0 ncb as I've always had classic car policy's sold it when I was 35 . Unlimited miles ,all mods declaired 350bhp , shocks wheels etc . I insured it with peter James . £188 a year , it was also garaged as most are now .
I'd buy it and if it turns out to be a nightmare and can't be saved you can strip and get some money back from the parts then put it done to experience and buy a better one. As has been said, always better to see one saved than stripped and killed.
Who u insured with? I'm 47 full NCB never had claim, clean licence, been driving 30 yrs and my insurance is £400 n that's cheapest quote. Cheapest respray I can get is 5grand n I've had quotes for 10 n 12 grand
I pay more than that, but then I am a lot younger than you both, I suspect it's because he has classic insurance.
15-07-2016, 08:53 PM
Just joined and buying first cosworth!
