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Old 28-12-2015 | 08:09 AM
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You will never lose money on a sapphire if you buy it now and hold on to it. would love to see this thread in 5-10 years and say to ourselves , as if we didny buy that car for 10-15k because in 10 years cossies will be 25k+

ive bought all my cars when they were rock bottom.

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looking out for a escort cosworth but none have come up cheap enough yet.
i paid just under 20k for all of them above, ive had most of them some years apart from focus which was my newly purchase.

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Good on you mate that is some garage for 20k
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Lucky mate. If i had the money i would buy loads of fords too.

I would also love a escos.
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Originally Posted by Roosie
You will never lose money on a sapphire if you buy it now and hold on to it. would love to see this thread in 5-10 years and say to ourselves , as if we didny buy that car for 10-15k because in 10 years cossies will be 25k+

ive bought all my cars when they were rock bottom.

i have
2wd Magenta Cossie
4wd Smokestone Cossie
Mk2 Escort Harrier
Focus RS


looking out for a escort cosworth but none have come up cheap enough yet.
i paid just under 20k for all of them above, ive had most of them some years apart from focus which was my newly purchase.
Nice retirement fund there
Old 28-12-2015 | 10:54 AM
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Did have 3dr as well but sold it to buy a better one but as I sold mine , the other got sold same day . Also got a original AX gti and saxo vts , all cars that are going up in value . Anything in 80s 90s are rising in value not just Ford's
Old 28-12-2015 | 11:14 AM
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Ebay cars seam to sit there , it's the auctions where there prices are strong and actually selling , I've been to the last few at Kings Lynn and they are making good money as long as Mileage and owners are on the sensible side ... Cystal blue which did not start done best part of 9k ... A moonstone been restored was clean but not original made 12k and was then put straight back up on the net for 16'995 and sold ! And a really nice smoke stone with 40k on the clock done just under 20k ! Even a 80k d reg xr2 done 7600 !!! . It's where people are putting there money but they got to be proper cars ��

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It's mental how the prices of these cars have gone up. If only I kept my mint S1 RS turbo, 3dr cossie and my escort cossie which only done 30k at the time. I think I sold it for 18k back in 2010, I hate to think what's it worth now.
Old 30-12-2015 | 12:15 AM
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Anything remotely interesting/ old/ rare-ish is going through the roof at the moment... How long will it last? There is a huge bubble growing imho & as soon as the interest rates go back up I think we will see a huge correction. There are some crazy prices being paid for some very average cars IMHO, across all the brands. 911 GT2s (996 model) were fetching 35-50k two years ago, now they are seeing asking prices of 120k +, Escort Cosworths going for 40k+, not to mention 500s!

The music will stop eventually, whoever is holding the cars then had better like them, a lot!
Just my 2p
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Originally Posted by RWD_cossie_wil
Anything remotely interesting/ old/ rare-ish is going through the roof at the moment... How long will it last? There is a huge bubble growing imho & as soon as the interest rates go back up I think we will see a huge correction. There are some crazy prices being paid for some very average cars IMHO, across all the brands. 911 GT2s (996 model) were fetching 35-50k two years ago, now they are seeing asking prices of 120k +, Escort Cosworths going for 40k+, not to mention 500s!

The music will stop eventually, whoever is holding the cars then had better like them, a lot!
Just my 2p
I agree, the bubble has to burst its just not feasible for cars to continue like this. Dealers have had a massive impact by putting them up for sale so overpriced and then everyone just follows suit.

Then low interest rates are allowing people to get mortgage top ups etc and spunk the money on an old car that they think will just non stop continue to rise and pay off the mortgage top up and more when sold.

Better to get your mortgage paid if you have one in my opinion
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The best cars will always hold their money,the prices of average cars hanging onto the coat tails of the mint cars can't keep rising.
The other day I seen a wanted ad for a s1,the guy had 10-12k to spend and was hoping to get 1 that had done less than 100'000 miles,I have seen 1 s1 that had done over 100k and there was nothing left of it,nowadays 10k gets you a lot of welding wire and filler if you're looking for an s1.
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Originally Posted by ajamesc
Them cars you list above are best of bread. The saff that did 35 was a bonkers mallard green one was it not? That's a rare car in an auction that would of have collectors there. A run of the mill 4x4 sold to jo public is not realistically going to sell for over 10 is it. And if it dose I bet it will take a very very long time to sell
I know a 4wd one that has changed has recently for Ł18k and it wasn't perfect by no means.....I've been offered Ł15k before mine was finished and I've knocked back Ł15k, Ł18k, Ł18k and Ł18.5k

Prices are on the up
Old 01-01-2016 | 08:52 PM
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I'd be asking why an auntie wants a dump valve and stainless exhaust if I was the buyer
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Originally Posted by saphcosmike
I know a 4wd one that has changed has recently for Ł18k and it wasn't perfect by no means.....I've been offered Ł15k before mine was finished and I've knocked back Ł15k, Ł18k, Ł18k and Ł18.5k

Prices are on the up
Guessing yours is 4wd??
Got and good pics of the underside of yours??
Needing something to reference for mine and yours looks spot on from your sig.
Old 01-01-2016 | 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 155lee
Guessing yours is 4wd??
Got and good pics of the underside of yours??
Needing something to reference for mine and yours looks spot on from your sig.
Mikes is very nice and good for reference also search my posts as i done a mates 2wd saff Which you might have seen on the concourse curcuit.
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Mikes is mint Lee. Ive seen it at the rs show at croft. Its stunning and he uses it too.
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Originally Posted by 155lee
Guessing yours is 4wd??
Got and good pics of the underside of yours??
Needing something to reference for mine and yours looks spot on from your sig.




Mine has been restored underside and engine bay, the body has had no paint. They are always worth more unrestored if they are nice.

From what I hear with no pics is take a punt at Ł15k, especially with the L plate
















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Old 02-01-2016 | 11:53 AM
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Just seen this one on ebay.


Looks like its had a bit of money spent on it
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Sierr...3D141866232009
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Originally Posted by Glenn_
Just seen this one on ebay.


Looks like its had a bit of money spent on it
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Sierr...3D141866232009
Saw it the other day, I'm sure it's a jewel in somebody's eye...
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That is a fucking mess 17k for 122k car thats been thru halfords and ripspeed...
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Originally Posted by Glenn_
Just seen this one on ebay.


Looks like its had a bit of money spent on it
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Sierr...3D141866232009
He is living in a dream world. No way to everybody's taste not worth 18 grand. Plus you can't say 600bhp ready with the list of up grades he has listed
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Originally Posted by Glenn_
Just seen this one on ebay.


Looks like its had a bit of money spent on it
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Sierr...3D141866232009
Only for sale due to impending electricity bill.
That's a well shod/half finished cosworth.
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sorry 18k

25k spent in last 12 months ..???

On what?
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Pics updated further up as promised
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Originally Posted by saphcosmike
Pics updated further up as promised
That's what I hope mine will turn out like,where did you get the diff,beam,driveshaft stickers from??

Looks great,it's unreal how much time and equipment you need to do work like this,not to mention friends to do favours for you.
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Originally Posted by saphcosmike
Mine has been restored underside and engine bay, the body has had no paint. They are always worth more unrestored if they are nice.

From what I hear with no pics is take a punt at Ł15k, especially with the L plate















Cars like this are the ones worth 15+ unless special cars like extreamly low mileage and 100% out the box original or rare colours. But most for sale are no wear like this. Problem is people see ones like this sell and think shit my slightly modded high mileage one with 4 owners must also be worth over 15 grand lol
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Originally Posted by ajamesc
Cars like this are the ones worth 15+ unless special cars like extreamly low mileage and 100% out the box original or rare colours. But most for sale are no wear like this. Problem is people see ones like this sell and think shit my slightly modded high mileage one with 4 owners must also be worth over 15 grand lol
I'd say to buy a saph worth doing this kind of work to you're needing to spend 15k buying it then another 5 plus doing the underside,no point doing the underside if the top half isn't mint to start with.
I agree that there are Saphs not worth half their asking price but the cars that are well above average shouldn't be dragged down in value by the below average cars advertised for top money.
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Did you see that link Lee?
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KGF classic cars have to posted up on facebook, the arrival of a 4x4 smokestone sapphire, soon to be up forsale, they always have decent examples, it seems
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Originally Posted by 155lee
That's what I hope mine will turn out like,where did you get the diff,beam,driveshaft stickers from??

Looks great,it's unreal how much time and equipment you need to do work like this,not to mention friends to do favours for you.
Dave at dmb graphics done the decals and others, his work is awesome and never too troubled to help you out

And I'm a bus driver, I done it all myself with no favours from anyone
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If its any help, yes it is true that many people don't realise how many more three doors are on the road compared to saffs. Here are some figures that often shock owners!!

https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/?utf8=...phire+cosworth

Best offer I turned down just over a year back for my saff was Ł15K. Its a mint 2wd but does have 59K on the clock. I've owned it since 1992.

I guess I could be offered more now so hope that's a help?

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Really nice saff Andy good on you for holding onto it for so long, I take it you'll never sell it?
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Originally Posted by ajamesc
Cars like this are the ones worth 15+ unless special cars like extreamly low mileage and 100% out the box original or rare colours. But most for sale are no wear like this. Problem is people see ones like this sell and think shit my slightly modded high mileage one with 4 owners must also be worth over 15 grand lol
Aye and they say never been welded but don't say that slight pressure with a flat screw driver on chassis legs, sills and seat mounts would result in Swiss cheese lol

Saphcosmike bloody well done that looks superb, I wouldn't use it after that I'd just buy two post lifters and stare at it all day lol. Did you do it all off axle stands?
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Aye and they say never been welded but don't say that slight pressure with a flat screw driver on chassis legs, sills and seat mounts would result in Swiss cheese lol

Saphcosmike bloody well done that looks superb, I wouldn't use it after that I'd just buy two post lifters and stare at it all day lol. Did you do it all off axle stands?
there all rusty lol I bet if you put a bore scope up the rear chassis leg of 85% of them there be rust. But will still look and feel solid
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Saphcosmike bloody well done that looks superb, I wouldn't use it after that I'd just buy two post lifters and stare at it all day lol. Did you do it all off axle stands?
Thanks, it did turn out better than I hoped for and yes axle stands in a single garage
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Originally Posted by saphcosmike
Dave at dmb graphics done the decals and others, his work is awesome and never too troubled to help you out

And I'm a bus driver, I done it all myself with no favours from anyone
That's pretty impressive,my pal is a painter for bmw so he's painting the underside in my pals unit as he has a 2 post ramp,I also have been using the press at work for the bearings,solid bushes,my other pals bench grinder for cleaning up parts for plating and another pal has done all my plating cheap as a fill in job.
It would be great having all the gear but no space for it all.
I'll give Dave a shout this week.
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Originally Posted by ajamesc
there all rusty lol I bet if you put a bore scope up the rear chassis leg of 85% of them there be rust. But will still look and feel solid
I dont know why people want a rust free car surely welding a old ford and keeping it on the road is good enough.
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Originally Posted by ajamesc
there all rusty lol I bet if you put a bore scope up the rear chassis leg of 85% of them there be rust. But will still look and feel solid
I dont know why people want a rust free car surely welding a old ford and keeping it on the road is good enough.

I was shocked at mine when it was in the bodyshop and the middle section of the sill was rotton. How would anyone know theres is mint without cutting the outer sill off and havea look.
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Originally Posted by saphcosmike
Thanks, it did turn out better than I hoped for and yes axle stands in a single garage
Hats off to you, I'm constantly complaining to my Mrs that our single garage is too small so kinda found a solution I'm going to rent a unit and go halfers with my mate so we can get a two post lifter ect I can't wait.
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Originally Posted by Glenn_
I dont know why people want a rust free car surely welding a old ford and keeping it on the road is good enough.

I was shocked at mine when it was in the bodyshop and the middle section of the sill was rotton. How would anyone know theres is mint without cutting the outer sill off and havea look.
You can't it's invisible until it bubbles on the outside only way you can possibly see is if you lift the carpet and bore scope down all the little holes and vents
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Exactly James. Imo this will make the car even weaker than they are.


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