Built not bought?
21-09-2015, 12:49 PM
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Yes mate its your vision your creating it 
21-09-2015, 12:51 PM
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i work in IT so defo dont have the skills to build a car to the spec i want - so what do you do. You find a reputable tradesman to do the work for you.
I do some basic stuff myself so what does that make my cars bought or built?
To be honest, in the grand sceme of things, i dont even care
I do some basic stuff myself so what does that make my cars bought or built?
To be honest, in the grand sceme of things, i dont even care
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22-09-2015, 07:33 AM
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I have done a lot of work on my Sons Subaru Impreza but case in point at the moment there is a part on the gear linkage which you cannot reach without the car being up on a ramp so it has to go to a garage to get done.
I think for some people even if they want to build their own car the lack of a decent garage means they have no choice but to get some of the work done at a professional garage.
Does it make their car any less worthy of being "built not bought" and is it that important?
22-09-2015, 08:17 AM
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I would always have a hand in anything done on my cars but some people are just incapable so would rather do x amount of hours at work and pay someone else to do it. I cant paint or map a car so leave that stuff well alone.
The fact is built or bought you have still put the effort in one way or another
The fact is built or bought you have still put the effort in one way or another
22-09-2015, 02:00 PM
#46
For me being built not bought means similar to costina said. If you've done 70% you've built it. Not everyone can do everything but you can still do a lot. Between me and mates we can do pretty much everything so we class our cars as being built by us.
If you don't know one end of the spanner from the other then you can't claim to have built your car. I appreciate that family/work gets in the way and it becomes much more viable to pay for work done on cars but otherwise I still enjoy working on mine when I get chance.
Not having a garage is no excuse. I changed the gearbox in my golf at the side of the road.
If you don't know one end of the spanner from the other then you can't claim to have built your car. I appreciate that family/work gets in the way and it becomes much more viable to pay for work done on cars but otherwise I still enjoy working on mine when I get chance.
Not having a garage is no excuse. I changed the gearbox in my golf at the side of the road.
22-09-2015, 02:14 PM
#47
I would rather go to work and earn more money and then pay a garage to do the work (mostly what i cant do or usually cant be bothered to do) at least that way i know the work has been done a good standard and will be done in a shorter time frame than what i could do.
22-09-2015, 02:17 PM
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For me being built not bought means similar to costina said. If you've done 70% you've built it. Not everyone can do everything but you can still do a lot. Between me and mates we can do pretty much everything so we class our cars as being built by us.
If you don't know one end of the spanner from the other then you can't claim to have built your car. I appreciate that family/work gets in the way and it becomes much more viable to pay for work done on cars but otherwise I still enjoy working on mine when I get chance.
Not having a garage is no excuse. I changed the gearbox in my golf at the side of the road.
If you don't know one end of the spanner from the other then you can't claim to have built your car. I appreciate that family/work gets in the way and it becomes much more viable to pay for work done on cars but otherwise I still enjoy working on mine when I get chance.
Not having a garage is no excuse. I changed the gearbox in my golf at the side of the road.
22-09-2015, 02:42 PM
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I agree with r4n ss. If you can earn more in the time it takes that itll cost to pay a garage then you'd be silly to do it yourself and with the garage trade having no sense of real time scale someone on minimum wage could often earn more in the hugely underestimated time they take!
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22-09-2015, 06:05 PM
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Built not bought?
In the grand scheme of things I'm not sure it matters. If one guy doesn't know one end of a spanner from the other but say loves cossies for example and wants a powerful one then he's gonna get it booked into a Cossie specialist. I can guarantee that Cossie will be better than mine, I'm a mechanic and it's a typical mechanics car with a to do list as long as your arm lol. I think it's the bell ends who go round saying they've done this that and the other when in reality they haven't and I've seen a few get caught out in a conversation and its embarrassing to say the least, I know a few guys in the Rs club only trust there car to the Cossie specialist in Portsmouth I think it is and there cars are head and shoulders above mine cause they've got the money, mines done at work as and when I can use the ramp for a few hours. As long as the persons honest about who done the work then who cares. We all love cars either way
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22-09-2015, 06:21 PM
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I think dojj deserves a big pat on the back AGAIN for starting a pointless thread 
Does anyone really care who,what,why ? as long as you get the end product who gives a shit.
Does anyone really care who,what,why ? as long as you get the end product who gives a shit.
22-09-2015, 07:53 PM
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To be fair it's not rocket science and if you can say you've done the majority of the work yourself you can say you've built it. It's more people who say they have when they have just paid to have it done. People who spend hours grafting away to change an engine deserve much more respect than those who pick up a pen.
23-09-2015, 01:46 AM
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However, watching some of the top fuel dragsters that are pulling 300Mph in 4/5 second passes down the 1/4 mile? FUCK THAT
Some other soft cunt can drive! Facebook Post
I'd say that takes a bit of talent to build & drive!
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23-09-2015, 05:59 AM
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Built or bought?
Who cares, as soon as they are mag featured they get sold straight after pmsl
Who cares, as soon as they are mag featured they get sold straight after pmsl
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23-09-2015, 06:41 AM
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To be honest I fix aircraft for a living & sign to say that 291 people can climb aboard & fly at 500mph/42,000 feet. I often fly on aircraft I have fixed myself
However, watching some of the top fuel dragsters that are pulling 300Mph in 4/5 second passes down the 1/4 mile? FUCK THAT Some other soft cunt can drive!
https://www.facebook.com/SpeedSociet...4834086533891/
I'd say that takes a bit of talent to build & drive!
However, watching some of the top fuel dragsters that are pulling 300Mph in 4/5 second passes down the 1/4 mile? FUCK THAT
Some other soft cunt can drive! https://www.facebook.com/SpeedSociet...4834086533891/
I'd say that takes a bit of talent to build & drive!
and 99% of all of it lol
23-09-2015, 11:37 AM
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Don't think anyone is knocking you rod, my main point was that if someone like Martin or Harvey have built their cars, do they could as having been built or bought?
If you were a builder and built your house rather than had someone build a house for you or you simply went out and bought what you liked, where is the line drawn that you've done it yourself?
Too many people out the sticker on because they've put in a stereo or changed the wheels, so what is actually "built"?
Think you've been a bit harsh on Steve in that post mate, even though I get the sentiment
If you were a builder and built your house rather than had someone build a house for you or you simply went out and bought what you liked, where is the line drawn that you've done it yourself?
Too many people out the sticker on because they've put in a stereo or changed the wheels, so what is actually "built"?
Think you've been a bit harsh on Steve in that post mate, even though I get the sentiment
I think if they built it, then it would class as built, if they bought it already built, then its a bought car. I prefer to see a built car as apposed to bought, but I understand that the owner/builder of the car is unlikely to be able to do everything themselves (huge respect if they can though!). I class Rods car as built, as its under his ownership that the car has been transformed, even though its Mark that has built the engine, if he bought it already capable of 200mph, then it I would class it as a bought car.
23-09-2015, 06:27 PM
#62
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Meanings aside I've never looked at sombodies car that way I either like it or not I don't get why people would look that far into it and why they'd be bothered by it?
23-09-2015, 06:51 PM
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Chequebook cars are like Focus RS mk2s that people buy then hand over the credit card and a box of mountune/bolt ons and lets the tuner do it, then map it, and then they dont even service their cars, they just take it to someone else.
As long as you work on your car yourself, its all good IMO.
As long as you work on your car yourself, its all good IMO.
23-09-2015, 08:43 PM
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Chequebook cars are like Focus RS mk2s that people buy then hand over the credit card and a box of mountune/bolt ons and lets the tuner do it, then map it, and then they dont even service their cars, they just take it to someone else.
As long as you work on your car yourself, its all good IMO.
As long as you work on your car yourself, its all good IMO.
23-09-2015, 09:10 PM
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I like to mess about so rather struggle on and learn how to do it along the way. The engine was assembled by someone else with a clean environment and access to the equipment to clean the parts. But with a lot of advice i spec'd the motor and learnt along the way.
Everyone's different through, DIY i don't tackle as i'd rather pay someone else.
Everyone's different through, DIY i don't tackle as i'd rather pay someone else.
24-09-2015, 01:35 AM
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Chequebook cars are like Focus RS mk2s that people buy then hand over the credit card and a box of mountune/bolt ons and lets the tuner do it, then map it, and then they dont even service their cars, they just take it to someone else.
As long as you work on your car yourself, its all good IMO.
As long as you work on your car yourself, its all good IMO.
If you are ill, do you go to the doctors, or Make up a cocktail of random drugs & chemicals, or bust out the drill & hacksaw & just have a go yourself?
Mainly it boils down to the green eyed monster I'm afraid!
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24-09-2015, 01:50 AM
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The thread is about 'built not bought'. Nothing to do with how people can afford cars or jealousy or denying people the right to enjoy their cars.
If you have 0 input into the process apart from paying and driving away and dont even know how to top up your oil then you are just a regular person, not an enthusiast.
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24-09-2015, 07:09 AM
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The thread is about 'built not bought'. Nothing to do with how people can afford cars or jealousy or denying people the right to enjoy their cars.
If you have 0 input into the process apart from paying and driving away and dont even know how to top up your oil then you are just a regular person, not an enthusiast.
If you have 0 input into the process apart from paying and driving away and dont even know how to top up your oil then you are just a regular person, not an enthusiast.
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24-09-2015, 08:31 AM
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The thread is about 'built not bought'. Nothing to do with how people can afford cars or jealousy or denying people the right to enjoy their cars.
If you have 0 input into the process apart from paying and driving away and dont even know how to top up your oil then you are just a regular person, not an enthusiast.
If you have 0 input into the process apart from paying and driving away and dont even know how to top up your oil then you are just a regular person, not an enthusiast.
With us owners of the older Fords its different, a lot of people will do work themselves if they can but even then there are some jobs that are best left to a specialist.
To have the facilities and skill to be able to do every single thing yourself on your car is not very likely but you are still a true Ford enthusiast in my opinion if you pay an expert to do some things which you cant tackle yourself.
When I go to a Ford car show and look at a well sorted new or old school car the question of who did the work on it to make it so good never crosses my mind, I am just admiring it for what it is.
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24-09-2015, 08:41 AM
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Thing is, if your skills are not being a good mechanic, why would you risk fucking your car up instead of taking it to the pros who do it for a living? Ok if you can do it yourself & enjoy it then great, but if not what's wrong with enjoying your car that you have worked & paid for?
If you are ill, do you go to the doctors, or Make up a cocktail of random drugs & chemicals, or bust out the drill & hacksaw & just have a go yourself?
Mainly it boils down to the green eyed monster I'm afraid!
If you are ill, do you go to the doctors, or Make up a cocktail of random drugs & chemicals, or bust out the drill & hacksaw & just have a go yourself?
Mainly it boils down to the green eyed monster I'm afraid!
you are bang on the money mate imo, literally lol
that is a very good point, just to be an enthusiast and enjoy something doesn't mean we have to know all the ins and outs of it
24-09-2015, 03:36 PM
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You have to give it to Dojj his threads get lots of comments even a little aggro.
In the right corner the 'Builders' linedup behind there patron saint Steve & in the left corner the dreaded 'Cheque Book Charlies'.
Must admit reading through made me Chuckle & I thought of two guys lets say my age wanting to go Cosworth in there old age.
Mr Builder is 70 just retired after 50 years as a Butcher so he can carve a fair joint. Of course hes a Cossie expert been on PF for 10 years & has bought the last 5 editions of Performance Ford. Hes picked up the fact that the fastest Cossies on the planet are the 400bhp brigade & hes picked up a few buzz words like 't4' ports the size of Jordons breasts & 6.8 : 1. Hes a bit concerned cos his Halfords tool kit is missing a few parts & the bulb in the garage is only 40w & he cant afford an upgrade. Hes playing it safe because if he gets under the car hes not sure if he will get out so a cup of Horlicks on the hour will ensure that hes still alive. Hes well on his way to building his dream machine a 1989 version of a gutless, laggy pile of poo.
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Meanwhile Charlie is counting his cash hes retired on a final salary pension after 50 years in the Aero space industry. He also has his dream a 1000bhp road going Cosworth. He finds the Tuner that has created other Top cars & together they discuss the problems of such a build will bring. He offers to get his Charlie out to fund solving those problems with solutions found during his working life. Not cheap & never done before but solutions. He then goes off on Holiday whilst the Tuner builds his car.
Hes missed out on his hourly Horlicks but he not unhappy at that.
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Cant we just agree that some people have money to spend on a fast Cossie & others don't have a pot to piss in but still desire a Cossie. Most will be in between & to me we all make up the Cossie tuning world. It just erks when Steve starts knocking people with a bit of cash to spend. Ive earned my money Steve never cheated anyone but please remember I was not on any Forum until I was 60 & about to retire.
In the right corner the 'Builders' linedup behind there patron saint Steve & in the left corner the dreaded 'Cheque Book Charlies'.
Must admit reading through made me Chuckle & I thought of two guys lets say my age wanting to go Cosworth in there old age.
Mr Builder is 70 just retired after 50 years as a Butcher so he can carve a fair joint. Of course hes a Cossie expert been on PF for 10 years & has bought the last 5 editions of Performance Ford. Hes picked up the fact that the fastest Cossies on the planet are the 400bhp brigade & hes picked up a few buzz words like 't4' ports the size of Jordons breasts & 6.8 : 1. Hes a bit concerned cos his Halfords tool kit is missing a few parts & the bulb in the garage is only 40w & he cant afford an upgrade. Hes playing it safe because if he gets under the car hes not sure if he will get out so a cup of Horlicks on the hour will ensure that hes still alive. Hes well on his way to building his dream machine a 1989 version of a gutless, laggy pile of poo.
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Meanwhile Charlie is counting his cash hes retired on a final salary pension after 50 years in the Aero space industry. He also has his dream a 1000bhp road going Cosworth. He finds the Tuner that has created other Top cars & together they discuss the problems of such a build will bring. He offers to get his Charlie out to fund solving those problems with solutions found during his working life. Not cheap & never done before but solutions. He then goes off on Holiday whilst the Tuner builds his car.
Hes missed out on his hourly Horlicks but he not unhappy at that.
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Cant we just agree that some people have money to spend on a fast Cossie & others don't have a pot to piss in but still desire a Cossie. Most will be in between & to me we all make up the Cossie tuning world. It just erks when Steve starts knocking people with a bit of cash to spend. Ive earned my money Steve never cheated anyone but please remember I was not on any Forum until I was 60 & about to retire.
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24-09-2015, 04:22 PM
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It's not about whether you can afford to pay for it or not. It's simple if you did the work you built it. If you never picked up a spanner you didnt. If all you've done is pay people to do the work and then you just drive it you can't claim you built it.
24-09-2015, 04:41 PM
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This clip sprang to mind Stanley,or should I say rod
Considerably Richer Than You - Harry Enfield and Chums - BBC - YouTube
Considerably Richer Than You - Harry Enfield and Chums - BBC - YouTube
lmao that clip takes me back a few
24-09-2015, 10:13 PM
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You have really set things off with this Dojj. Ecclestone is making the drivers build there own cars next year. Apparently Hamilton is allergic to oil & Vettel useless with aerodynamics . McClaren are happy because Button could not possibly build a slower car than this years.
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24-09-2015, 11:01 PM
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