fuzzy

would it be 50 on a single carriageway as per bigger transit sized vans ? its a mid size van between car derived and transit.i don't know if its payloaded weight is above the 2 ton limit?
no ive not been caught....im just checking....

R4N SS

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arent vans supposed to be flat out - especially if they are white

Psycho Warren

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Its not a car-derived van so should be van NSL speed limits not car.

Thrush

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Which Combo? The first gen is car derived (on the first gen Corsa) but even though the 2nd gen looks like a Corsa, it's not the same under chassis, so counts as a van-van and not a car-van.

fuzzy

its the latest I expect....a 63 plate combo ive got. its not as simple as car derived....the general rule seems to be when they look like cars from outside as per astravan etc but not always. theres a 2 ton maximum loaded weight limit for car derived van so it is over that is the lower speed limit.
I don't know what a combos maximum payload is or if it would be over the 2 ton fully loaded limit when loaded....?
I expect it would be over 2 tones loaded . its a bigger van than I thought.

Glenn_

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The same as the fiat done but with vauxhall badges.

Psycho Warren

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The road traffic act is actually very clear.

“car-derived van” means a goods vehicle which is constructed or adapted as a derivative of a passenger vehicle and which has a maximum laden weight not exceeding 2 tonnes;

Thrush

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As Warren says - car derived means it's derived from an existing car. So for example, an Astra van is an Astra estate with different paneling, but it has an Astra chassis. A Combo is a unique chassis, and thus it's a van

nevsrevs

My 15 plate combo

stevieturbo

What year Combo ?

RichieST

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We had a couple of bippers at work, I don't think we ever got a firm answer, as they were available as a van and a car.


Was the van a car derived van, or was the car a van derived car?


I heard in this instance what would sway it is weather it had a glass back window or not. Ones with a glass back window were car derived, no back window and it was 100% van.


Not sure about weather that bit is true or not though.

stevieturbo

Combo C ( ie Corsa C ) is 100% a car chassis and car derived, and all models have a GVW of 1995kgs or less.

stevieturbo

Look at what it says on the V5.

nevsrevs

not according to what has been printed on my van, as above.

stevieturbo

That's because a 15 plate ? ...ie 2015 ? Is Not a Combo C.

So I wouldnt expect it to apply to that model.

Yours will be the Fiat Doblo version, whatever they cant to call it as a Combo which is 100% a van and subject to the idiotic reduced speed limits

cossynut2

Are you hiring this van ? If so the hire company should be able to give you all the information you need so you dont overload it or drive it at the wrong speed.You will be responsible for keeping it at the right speeds, load weights etc so make sure you have all the info before you start using it.
Best of luck.

fuzzy

as r4n ss said away back at the start its a white van....itll be doing 90.

Psycho Warren

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until some mongtard in europe makes speed limiters compulsory Then you'll be stuck at an EU convenient 56mph despite the UK law saying 60mph. Like all the lorries.

fuzzy

Speed limiters can be removed just like the compulsory 56 mph limiter in trucks...

ajamesc

who told you that then everything from 1/8/92 I think over 7500kg is limited to 56mph or 90kph or you will not pass an mot

Psycho Warren

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The point is the speed limit for vehicles over 7500kg is 60mph not 56mph hence the total pointlessness of it. following EU burocratic nonsense that clearly isnt fit for the UK as we dont use KPH speeds we use MPH speeds.

ajamesc

It's a gray area and I'm not going down that road again lol. Yes the law says it can do 60 mph but the law also says its limited to 56 mph. It's one of them funny cases where one rule contradicts the other. Would a copper care most likely not. But vosa on a road side stop can have you for tacho infringements and going over 56 mph logs a stored fault In the tacho head that vosa and the police can read them roadside.

Psycho Warren

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But they cant do you for speeding. Thats a specific offence under the road traffic act where the limit is clearly 60mph not 56mph.

A tacho enfringement is entirely seperate.

cossynut2

Just be sensible and keep your eyes open for speed cameras and Police cars, same as when driving any other vehicle.With the horrendous traffic on the roads it is not going to alter your driving time much if you are doing 60 or 56 mph.

fuzzy

Removed was the wrong word. Bypassed and reinstated when required is more appropriate .

ajamesc

Older trucks yeah you could pull fuses and shit like that not so easy when ecu controlled on a truck. As the speed signal is sent to the ecu via the tacho. And now they have a second speed signal via the ebs brake system to stop the magnet trick lol
And the problem you have with bigger stuff is only dealer diagnostics can program limiters it stores your log in as well so they know who set it. Plus the tacho will record you speeding

Carlos-Titx

You can still be done for speeding and receive points.

Psycho Warren

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For doing 57mph in a 60 limit?

Id like to see the legislation that backs that up carlos. The speed limit is quite clear at 60mph in the road traffic act.

Carlos-Titx

European law and legislation overrides ours.

It would come under construction and use legislation.

DVSA apply common sense to it though or every HGV driver would be banned by now for repeated speeding down hills etc.

But if something went wrong and someone died then it would be used.

dojj

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If it's under 2 tons right?

And the he's posted a pic of the weight being 2385 kgs

So it's a van end of

stevieturbo

2 different users, but both are the Doblo Combo and yes idiotic van rules apply.

James @ M Developments.

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ohh yes you will.
They only fail the test IF the limiter operates at an incorrect speed,

If it doesn't operate at all, you just have to assume the kit you are using to test it doesn't work, so pass it anyway


Don't even ask I had so many arguments about this its unreal, I mean I could fail one that the governed speed was 57mph, but if the truck had no limiter at all and could go as fast as its gearing would let it, I had to pass it

ajamesc

we have had a fail well prs for no sticker! It depends on who tests it some use common sense. Plus they can check your chart or do a print out vmax diagram to see if it's limited un less the driver is real carful. With the 1324 style tacho they can hold the pedal down and do something with the head to make sure it's working.
Iver way it says in the mot book it must have a working limiter

James @ M Developments.

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The sticker etc is testable and the k factor has to match, but the manual states a reason for failure is "operating at an incorrect speed"


Not working at all isn't a fail at a testing station, as said we were told to just assume our machine didn't work. We used to pop the seal and plug into it with a handheld tester, and can simulate speed, the throttle will kick when the governed speed is reached. If that speed was wrong it was a fail, if it didn't stop at all, its a pass


TBH its far easier on the new tachos, to test them, but most of the older ones never worked at all. But then you get drivers arriving with no cards in them


Road side would have you by looking at tacho data etc though

Psycho Warren

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wouldnt be speeding though would it as speeding is a specific offence.

Surely it would be overiding a limiter or some other BS which is currently non-endorsable and doesnt come under the construction and use part of the RTA in terms of endorsable offences as tacho offences arent covered by the "CU60" offence code.

And again as its a speed limit of 60 what could they charge you if they consider you doing 60 contributed to the accident over doing 56?? I doubt it could come under death by careless or dangerous as 60mph is under the speed limit.

Would take a conviction prescedant to say that 56mph was the speed limit and not 60mph.