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Old 31-12-2014, 12:21 AM
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Morning Guys,

whats the going rate for these conversion in terms of fabrication of shell and to have it all transferred over etc and built back up? So I would supply a series 1 escort rs turbo and a 4x4 sierra cosworth to the fabricator/builder. I would love to do more myself, but with a young family time is premium unfortunately.

I'm based in west London heathrow area, so who would be closest for the work and anyone got any recommendations for people skilled in this area close to me?

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Morning chap

Fellow West London boy know it like the back of my hand

Shell done properly would be best part of 5k I'd say, and then it's labour to build the car. If it were me I'd reckon on getting through £10k minimum and that's supplying everything needed.

And there's no-one round there I know who'd do it either.
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http://www.rodsnsods.co.uk There are a few west London car fabricators that might be able to help
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Originally Posted by Mr S1
Morning chap

Fellow West London boy know it like the back of my hand

Shell done properly would be best part of 5k I'd say, and then it's labour to build the car. If it were me I'd reckon on getting through £10k minimum and that's supplying everything needed.

And there's no-one round there I know who'd do it either.
i would budget for £20,000 for a average build
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Cheers for the replies guys, I know odd kids jano does them but he still a little far from me. I guess I could put the interior of it back together but would need all running gear side fabrication paint work. I think £2500 to fabricate the shell was advised to me, that sound about right ?
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I've done my own mate, i'm not a mechanic or any thing just a telephone engineer by trade but it's taken me ages (family/work etc) it is a shit load of work and really depends a lot on the state of the shell to begin with and what your end vision of the car is, mine was in really good condition and only needed to change the minor panelling.

Like MrS1 said, 5k, in my eyes that would get you a rolling shell not painted.

I've been asked to do one by a friend of a friend just to a rolling shell state and 5k from 2 cars delivered to me and one rolling out with new panels replaced etc if required is close to what I had in mind.


Mines in the Project section if you want to take a look.


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Originally Posted by GINGExR2 T
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I've done my own mate, i'm not a mechanic or any thing just a telephone engineer by trade but it's taken me ages (family/work etc) it is a shit load of work and really depends a lot on the state of the shell to begin with and what your end vision of the car is, mine was in really good condition and only needed to change the minor panelling.

Like MrS1 said, 5k, in my eyes that would get you a rolling shell not painted.

I've been asked to do one by a friend of a friend just to a rolling shell state and 5k from 2 cars delivered to me and one rolling out with new panels replaced etc if required is close to what I had in mind.


Mines in the Project section if you want to take a look.


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HI MATE
so about 20k finished ready to drive
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Lets say it was 5k for shell conv and 2k for paint 13k to loom it and fit engine? No way
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Originally Posted by smiley
Lets say it was 5k for shell conv and 2k for paint 13k to loom it and fit engine? No way
what about engine, gearbox ,diffs ,custom exhaust ,fuel system ,dash ,pumps ,brakes ,lines ,coil overs ,colum ,wiring ,rad , cooler all custom pipework ,al tanks breather etc etc
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20k imo is cheap.
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Originally Posted by costina
20k imo is cheap.
your right 20k would just get you an average run of the mill car on the road ,if you want to push the boat and build a real nice car,and were paying someone to build it with some nice parts add 10/15 k on that
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Originally Posted by MK MOTORSPORT
HI MATE
so about 20k finished ready to drive
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Yes mate



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Originally Posted by smiley
Lets say it was 5k for shell conv and 2k for paint 13k to loom it and fit engine? No way


What about the other 6k - 9k plus (depending on car spec) just for the donor Saff,


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Originally Posted by GINGExR2 T
What about the other 6k - 9k plus (depending on car spec) just for the donor Saff,


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he said hed supply both cars and was asking for price based on that not inc cars and nobodies mentioned respeccing the engine or nice bits
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Think of it this way how long it takes to do the simple things even at say 35k the hourly rate would be cheap.


10k only equals 400 hours at 25 per hour then there is rates on building electric etc etc it all mounts up.
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Originally Posted by costina
Think of it this way how long it takes to do the simple things even at say 35k the hourly rate would be cheap.


10k only equals 400 hours at 25 per hour then there is rates on building electric etc etc it all mounts up.

Thats 1 slow ass mechanic lol
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Originally Posted by smiley
Thats 1 slow ass mechanic lol

lol I work in the restoration game and I takes more than 400 hours just for the metal work sometimes close to a 1000 hours and beyond. but this is on car worth a lot of money. But that said man hours is still similar whatever car you work on even a old escort. Jigging takes time,fabrication takes time and coverting to rear drive equals time.


Ever spent time removing years of underseal and shit only to find rough repairs.


It really isn't a easy job to do on a budget unless your doing it yourself.


400 plus hours is a proper prep and paint job.


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I see what your saying paul i will be attacking the underseal on mine the tunnel and turrets all thats used from the saff grinder and wire brush attachment i supose aswell with an s1 your looking at a resto befor you start
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We can do all the stuff for ourselves but those who cant its and expensive game.






Next time your out in the garage or shed take note of how much is done in a hour.
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Originally Posted by costina
We can do all the stuff for ourselves but those who cant its and expensive game.






Next time your out in the garage or shed take note of how much is done in a hour.
Im an animal mate last time i got hold of the grinder with wire brush i imerged 12 hours later looking like fuckin pin head off hellraiser lol i thought i wore the brush out but they were just stuck to me
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Originally Posted by smiley
I see what your saying paul i will be attacking the underseal on mine the tunnel and turrets all thats used from the saff grinder and wire brush attachment i supose aswell with an s1 your looking at a resto befor you start
what car you building
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Originally Posted by MK MOTORSPORT
what car you building
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one that costs less than 20k
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Originally Posted by smiley
one that costs less than 20k
are you doing all work yourself
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No mate
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Originally Posted by smiley
No mate
wish you luck but i cant see you building a car fully painted running on the road to a nice spec for under 20k
what car is it your building
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Oh thats inc donors which one is already good spec
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I'm build a 550hp 4x4 mk3 fiesta that wont cost me anything like 20k but I am doing all the work myself
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Originally Posted by crazycage
I'm build a 550hp 4x4 mk3 fiesta that wont cost me anything like 20k but I am doing all the work myself

Bet you would be close to 12k just for parts alone tho if not more.
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I think this has aot to do with how well you do on the donor and what goodies come with as a 500+ engine with box and diffs to take it new ypur looking 15k thier?
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this is something i really really want to do


and was chatting to a couple of mates today about it and they collectivly laughed and said i will still be talking about it in 5 years,and i probably wont have the saff finished by then
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My car is on the cover of Fast Ford this month (January)

All in it cost me £21k and i already had a saff to start with.

That was with a mate of mine fabricating the shell and a mates rate paint job.

If I was paying someone to do all the work +VAT then only god knows what it would of set me back
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can you give a roughish breakdown of costs billy?
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Originally Posted by james kiely
can you give a roughish breakdown of costs billy?
yeah that will be very interesting
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Originally Posted by james kiely
can you give a roughish breakdown of costs billy?
Not really mate, as with most builds it was only suppose to be a toy, but I got over excited and was ploughing money into the car left right and Chelsea.

If you wanted to and I mean really wanted to, you could build one for much less than what I spent, but obviously you probably can imagine what the finished car would be like..... Pretty standard looking with a standard YB.

Which is a bit rubbish
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Originally Posted by Billy_RS
Not really mate, as with most builds it was only suppose to be a toy, but I got over excited and was ploughing money into the car left right and Chelsea.

If you wanted to and I mean really wanted to, you could build one for much less than what I spent, but obviously you probably can imagine what the finished car would be like..... Pretty standard looking with a standard YB.

Which is a bit rubbish
Thought you said 21k and with mates rates this n that? Now you dont know?
Spill dem beans bwoy lol
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The important thing to remember now is the day of a cheap saph has gone a year ago you could pick one up for just over 5 that had alot more spent on it hard to find now
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Originally Posted by costina
Bet you would be close to 12k just for parts alone tho if not more.
No not at all but I'm not using anything ford
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Originally Posted by crazycage
No not at all but I'm not using anything ford
Sounds a beast i have heard of a 5 pot audi with skyline box conv for cheap 600+

The cossie tax does show up massivly when looking at these builds and options

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Originally Posted by costina
Bet you would be close to 12k just for parts alone tho if not more.
No not at all but I'm not using anything ford


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