rs-tuner

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As above I need an MOT on my track car it has been off the road for 2 years and the only problem I can see will be the airbag light which is always on.

Will it fail on the airbag light even though they can see its a stripped car with no airbags fitted?

Cheers in advance.

Glenn_

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Has the rule come in yet that they can't be no warning lights on the dash yet.

They cant fail anything that isnt there. When my mate tested my cossie just after I got it back from the bodyshop he just put a note on the mot certificate saying no seats fitted at time of test.

russ rs

What about taking bulb out?

Madgit

Rewire it into the oil light

3i Jim

If the car has airbags/pretensionors fitted from factory then they should be present and the warning light must cancel out. That's why old cars are so much better to mod

studabear

I would remove the fuse for the air bag or bulb from the cluster, common sense should prevail, sure there was a special notice about things like track cars etc, I can check tomorrow if need be.

rs-tuner

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I would do but it's a seat leon with led not bulbs I could solder a wire from the oil light but if I can remove it all together that would be better.

I just keep reading different story's on what's required.

I mean how would a car that's converted to a rally car go on?

Madgit

Often resistors are used to bridge the wiring, to fool the ECU etc. Could be worth checking on a Seat forum for what they do to track cars.

studabear

I will check the manual and special notices for you tomorrow when I'm at work.

shalon

ive covered the led with sillicone and then broke the wall to the warning light next to it if its a suitable one

rs-tuner

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Tried that and it didn't work if I can't get round I'm just going to break the thing.

rs-tuner

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I would appreciate it thanks.

T3ORA

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Just break the head off the bulb job done

T3ORA

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Was there still seat belts fitted Glenn

The Underdog

i had mine mot'd a couple of weeks back. iv removed passenger airbags, seats and all sensors and airbag ecu.steering wheel is still standard for now with bag in. but the light was stuck on so i took it out. i asked at mot station what the rule was and they said if no light comes on at all even on start up then its an advisory which i had but if the light is on its a fail. my light was a soldered led so just broke it out.

Matt Baxter

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Wouldn't matter if they were as if the seats aren't there they are no longer seat belts they are just bits of webbing and not tested!!

They were wrong mate the light must come on and go off as per the info on the testers sheet!!


Anyway to the op

Just remove/tape over the led if you've removed all the other parts of the airbag set up, there was a special notice about track cars, but it off work this week or I'd have checked for you!

stevieturbo

What year is the car ?

Straight_4_N/a

As of this time last year all mot test stations were emailed new guidelines regarding modified cars, say in particular thay can not fail a car on the grounds on airbag light if the system has been removed because aftermarket steering wheel and bucket seats have been fitted. Ect...

now the is a very fine line you cant just fit an aftermaket steering wheel and think you will still pass because you wont! The car has to be modified enough to to make the airbag system dangerous. Ie min spec bucket seats harnesses and after market steering wheel and you have to remove all airbags.

Straight_4_N/a

I only know because all my local mot test stations all do rallying lol and need there cars for road rallys as well as off the road.

rs-tuner

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X reg year 2000

rs-tuner

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Which is what I have done. I might just take it and see if it fails.

stevieturbo

Our test here is stricter in a few ways.

But there was a note issued, that as not all vehicles pre 2001 had SRS/Airbag warning systems fitted, if there is no warning lamp it cannot be deemed a fail.

If there is a lamp and it does not follow manufacturers procedure, then it would constitute a fail.

In otherwords...remove the bulb prior to the test and it cannot fail on that warning lamp not working.


After that there is the issue that if there was SRS/Airbag fitted from the factory then it is supposed to remain there, although that one is still a bit of a grey area. But that is a completely different aspect than the warning light itself

Psycho Warren

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remove the whole system, break off the led (some dashes are clever enough to light the LED on its own if the airbag module is not detected). Job done.

As said its a track car/modified car so as long as you remove it all properly youll have no issues.

Glenn_

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Rear seat belts were fitted the nsf was half fitted lol. The nsf belt wasnt bolted to the sill.

SiZT

This is where my favourite advisory comes in to play

"Car is Modified for Competition Use"

studabear

From mot inspection guide..

Where a vehicle has been extesively modified or converted, certain reasons for rejection such as for components 'missing where fitted as standard' should not be applied, for example..

A car converted for rally use (ie rear seats removed and fitted with a roll cage and full harness seatbelts etc) may have been converted so as not to require a brake servo, power steering or airbags.

T3ORA

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Still belts fitted so should be still tested
Half fitted or not

Matt Baxter

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nope, no seat so they aren't "seat belts" anymore

JOHNDQ

Never has never been nothing about track cars, the book done say about rally cars i did ask about it on my refresher a while ago the guy said if the cars not MSA log booked etc for competition then its a normal road car. Also if you have 3 point harness etc it has to be in date

stevieturbo

Quite correct.

Psycho Warren

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to be fair you dont need it if your MoT man interprets the "reasons for rejection" literally.

The airbag reason for rejection is:

"An airbag obviously missing or defective. "

My MoT man was in agreement that an airbag system completely removed is not "obviously missing or defective".

He was of the belief that "obviously missing" would be eg an airbag steering wheel with no airbag, a hole in the dash where passenger airbag was etc.


So if you take the wording literally, a track car should be passable.

Madgit

Road legal race cars don't need to be MSA logboked yet, only rally cars so far.

JOHNDQ

its a mine field i think tbh, on the system it says "as far as practicable check that ALL airbags fitted as original equipment are present and not obviously defective" and in fail section "a seat belt pretensioner obviously missing where fitted as original equipment" its could really go either way

JOHNDQ

maybe but even in sprints, trackday trophy etc bottom end motorsport the cars still has to meet MSA etc requirements you cant just take few bits off and go racing

Jay,

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He should he is a tester

Psycho Warren

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but its the reason for rejection that takes prescedant surely?? if its not in the reason for rejection, they cant fail on that point.

hence the play on words of:
"An airbag obviously missing or defective. "

JOHNDQ

but doesn't it say ALL AIRBAGS FITTED AS STANDARD so any part missing which isn't there is missing no. Don't get me wrong i have 3 track cars so im with you but im a tester so ain't to much of a problem lol

rs-tuner

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We'll I blocked the airbag light up and it passed but does need a NSF wheel bearing. I do think its crap how there is no definitive answear.

stevieturbo

In terms of the light there is though. Pre 2001 it is not testable if the light does not illuminate.

But same with most parts of the test, it will always come down to some discretion by the tester

The Underdog

iv come to the conclusion that no one really know the answer not even mot testers as different ones say different things. even this thread is full of conflicting opinions just like every other discussion iv read online.