Auto Specialists Inlet manifold
18-06-2013, 05:59 AM
#41
I have also got a group A spec cylinder head, BD10 AND BD12 cams, Lightenened flywheel,wasted spark ignition,RS 500 intercooler, pre turbo cooler, big core alloy radiator, low comp, 200 block with balaced bottom end and a Bosch 044 fuel pump. I will let you know what it makes after Thursday.
18-06-2013, 05:55 PM
#43
When you design something and sale it your product automatically gets I P Rights which are a little bit open in what and how they cover the item but they can bit coping company's in the arse which is what the hart item has and these I p r,s is why the man behind the hart item was looking into bumming the A S people , but I am not sure how he is/has got on.
I found out about the in,s and outs of I p r,s when a company said I made a item that did not exist and there is a lot involved and they can intitle you to take everything ( money/patterns/produce so on) from the person that has copied you.
If you patend something it can still be copied as long as it is 10% different , hence the more parts of your item you protect the harder it is to copy .
Also this protection on a item is not for ever and in some cases may only last 10 years
If a item has been on the market for many years then no one gives a monkeys about someone copying but the hart item was new to the market that's what was wrong about A S coping it .
I found out about the in,s and outs of I p r,s when a company said I made a item that did not exist and there is a lot involved and they can intitle you to take everything ( money/patterns/produce so on) from the person that has copied you.
If you patend something it can still be copied as long as it is 10% different , hence the more parts of your item you protect the harder it is to copy .
Also this protection on a item is not for ever and in some cases may only last 10 years
If a item has been on the market for many years then no one gives a monkeys about someone copying but the hart item was new to the market that's what was wrong about A S coping it .
These things will always happen though and it's good for us but bad for the guy who came up with the idea
19-06-2013, 01:25 PM
#47
Too many posts.. I need a life!!
You cannot take out a patent on anything. Your idea or product has to be a non-obvious improvement on something that already exists, or something that does not previously exist.
In the case of an inlet plenum, these already exist in many different forms.
In fact the Hart intake essentially copies some fundamental design improvements made by others:
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To say companies making a "copy" of a Hart inlet is wrong is hypocritical. Hart also made a copy of someone else's hard work and dyno development time and effort. The first picture is an Audi motorsports inlet with the tapered side inlet.
In the case of an inlet plenum, these already exist in many different forms.
In fact the Hart intake essentially copies some fundamental design improvements made by others:
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[/URLTo say companies making a "copy" of a Hart inlet is wrong is hypocritical. Hart also made a copy of someone else's hard work and dyno development time and effort. The first picture is an Audi motorsports inlet with the tapered side inlet.
19-06-2013, 02:25 PM
#48
Wrong, they might have copied the idea of a tapered side inlet but they havent copied the audi inlet because it simply wouldnt work on a cossie.
What they have copied is the actual shape and size of the inlet that Hart spent loads of time and effort researching.
In comparison your arguement about the audi inlet is like saying sony could sue samsung because they make a laptop with the screen above the keyboard
The generic shape cannot be copyrighted or patented but specifics can.
eg ford threatened to take the manufacturer of a rs200 replica to court in the early 90's unless they changed the dimensions of their replica. - general shape they were fine and couldnt do anything about - exact dimensions they could.
What they have copied is the actual shape and size of the inlet that Hart spent loads of time and effort researching.
In comparison your arguement about the audi inlet is like saying sony could sue samsung because they make a laptop with the screen above the keyboard
The generic shape cannot be copyrighted or patented but specifics can.
eg ford threatened to take the manufacturer of a rs200 replica to court in the early 90's unless they changed the dimensions of their replica. - general shape they were fine and couldnt do anything about - exact dimensions they could.
19-06-2013, 05:07 PM
#52
Too many posts.. I need a life!!
Wrong, they might have copied the idea of a tapered side inlet but they havent copied the audi inlet because it simply wouldnt work on a cossie.
What they have copied is the actual shape and size of the inlet that Hart spent loads of time and effort researching.
In comparison your arguement about the audi inlet is like saying sony could sue samsung because they make a laptop with the screen above the keyboard
The generic shape cannot be copyrighted or patented but specifics can.
eg ford threatened to take the manufacturer of a rs200 replica to court in the early 90's unless they changed the dimensions of their replica. - general shape they were fine and couldnt do anything about - exact dimensions they could.
What they have copied is the actual shape and size of the inlet that Hart spent loads of time and effort researching.
In comparison your arguement about the audi inlet is like saying sony could sue samsung because they make a laptop with the screen above the keyboard
The generic shape cannot be copyrighted or patented but specifics can.
eg ford threatened to take the manufacturer of a rs200 replica to court in the early 90's unless they changed the dimensions of their replica. - general shape they were fine and couldnt do anything about - exact dimensions they could.
The side inlet type manifold (which Hart shamelessly copied) is the important concept of the inlet design. Of course plenum volume and sizing will be different for different engine displacements and rpm operating range etc...
If someone now makes a close copy to the Hart inlet - great!!
The consumer will decide which one to purchase.
Same goes with camshaft design. How many consumers use copied BD14, BD15 etc cams?
Was there a big uprising because someone dared to copy a Cosworth designed (and tested) camshaft profile? I suggest most were happy lower cost camshafts became available.
22-06-2013, 08:15 PM
#56
Hasn't this has been covered before 
Passion police use the fucking search option
https://passionford.com/forum/genera...-manifold.html
Passion police use the fucking search option
https://passionford.com/forum/genera...-manifold.html
22-06-2013, 09:10 PM
#58
Hasn't this has been covered before
Passion police use the fucking search option
https://passionford.com/forum/genera...-manifold.html
Passion police use the fucking search option
https://passionford.com/forum/genera...-manifold.html
24-06-2013, 10:02 PM
#65
cant remember if it was 4 or 5 hart that we had to helicoil out of 6 but i do remember having 2 skimmed on the surface but 3 of the copies just fitted and on there way
or did you mean primary designs ! well they look very pretty
or did you mean primary designs ! well they look very pretty
Last edited by Jay,; 24-06-2013 at 10:04 PM.
25-06-2013, 12:52 PM
#67
so neither manufacturer nor engine builder sorted the issue.I'd buy an AS inlet over the Hart any day of the week
25-06-2013, 02:40 PM
#68
Makes me laugh when i read some replies on this board, my inlet that came off an M.A.D motor and every single thread had gone and each bolt was actually siliconed in, plus the surface wasn't flat so neither manufacturer nor engine builder sorted the issue.
I'd buy an AS inlet over the Hart any day of the week
so neither manufacturer nor engine builder sorted the issue.I'd buy an AS inlet over the Hart any day of the week
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