Cossiemaster

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Who wants to see the AG MotoRSport Ford Focus at round two of time attack at croft?????

Glen that runs Time Attack says my car just isn't in the spirit of Time Attack!!!!!!!!!!!

WTF does that mean.

(time attack has some of the heaviest modified cars in the uk)

The regulation that they reckon keeps me out is.
5.5 Chassis must remain as OEM unless approved by the Organisers. Strengthening of suspension mounting points is allowed.

So if the Organisers approved it it would be fine.... This is a very unfair reg. As all these regulations are worded so they can be bent to suit someone, but clearly not us.

Our question is, who doesn't want the focus there, Is it the big race teams, are they scared of getting beat from a car built in a small garage in Hurlford. Would be interesting to hear there view on this, as i'm pretty sure its the Organisers that don't like the idea of us coming down to England for a shot at the title.....

We wouldn't even be bothered about points as we have no intention in doing the season, just want out to play in pro class at a couple of rounds..

If the gobstopper 2 is 1000bhp at 1000kg like the rumours state then there should be no threat in us winning.

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RSTurboTrev

The chassis mods to the focus take it away from being a normal saloon car though dont they?

If you were allowed to use that in time attack then surely all space frame special saloons would be allowed and if that was allowed then most saloon cars would be dominated?

I think thats where the problems would lay?

rog

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I would suggest that you gather evidence of other cars in the series which don't have an OEM chassis or have a modified OEM chassis, then make that public information. This will prove any favouritism.
If none of the cars presently running are modified in that respect then it seems pretty fair tbh.
I'd like to see the car run (just to be clear), but I can see their point if the other competitors don't have the same advantage then it's not a level playing field.

XRT_si

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Agreed. The Norris Evo has had major structural changes to convert it to two-door, it's got fabricated inner wings and the engine position totally changed so a gearbox tunnel/new floors. Also it has full Nissan Skyline runnign gear front and back.

It's not a spaceframed car like the Focus but it's certainly had a heavy amount of fab work.

Psycho Warren

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TBH id be going along the lines that your car is NOT a focus. In registration and legal terms it is not a focus.

It is a custom spaceframed kit car using focus bodywork.

Obviously it would help if it was correctly registered as such to back your cause, but ive no idea how AG/you registered the car in the first place (if at all).

It is no more a ford focus than the SHP "RSR Escort" is a Ford Escort and thats how it should be treated in terms of race regulations.

Ginge !

Norris designs one is also far from its starting life though so the rules ain't real rules if other bend them

Ginge !

With that said though,,,,, the focus ain't hit anything at all on it from its chassis number,,,, maybe the screen is but nothing else you could buy for that car in a ford dealer using the chassis

Psycho Warren

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ginge, point is the focus isnt a "ford focus" any more in DVLA licensing terms. It is no longer the same vehicle as it was. You could argue it is a replica of a focus in some ways but simply its a space framed custom kit car in any registration/legal sense.

In that sense the car should stand on its own merits rather than being viewed as a "modified ford focus".

If the rules state that an "OEM" spaceframed car wouldnt be allowed then so be it.

Sonic Boom

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If it was at Hillclimb or Sprint event it would fall in to Sports Libre Class G
Rich

Ginge !

That's what I was trying to point out,,, it's not a focus shell as nothing of the shell has a ford part number even stamped in it

Oh and it's hardly a vehicle built in a shed either by a mechanic at the weekends either

scoooby slayer

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are there any other entered spaceframed chassis ?
if not then how can it be expected to be allowed to run ?

Rod-Tarry

Maybe let Gobstopper bend the rules as well or any other compeditor as it takes there fancy . If it is not within the rules best find a race series that is & show its potential against cars of similar build.
We have a couple of Fords within the rules entering this year of TA lets get behind them & support those guys not bring this up again it wont change the rules.

rog

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^What he said

Who are the "two", Ronnie and who else? I'm obviously not that well informed and I'm on here quite a bit.

joffy

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Is it warren Kelly(?) running with the blue escort?

rog

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If it's the car I think you mean, I'm sure he has a focus now.

wattie

There's also a 16i running a focus rs engine and box running in ta ,

paul16v

Jacko who ran the white escort cossie now has a focus, Warren still has the escort.

Jay,

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irc in al clubman races all spaceframed cars are banned apart from northern saloons

Madgit

Should be all out as fast as you like. If you try a backhander, try English not Scottish notes.

SiZT

Maybe talk to Glen about you running as a demo competitor as you'll be a OHW so won't be able to score points/take points away from other competitors. The problem they have is if they let you race then it sets a precedent

Rs1

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If you not competing....as in collecting points toward a title (because you car doesnt comply with regs) i cant really see the issue in you running as an 'invite' or 'demo'.

Might have a few twisty faces amongst the organisers but i doubt any competitors would be against it.

Si B

iTrader: (59)

IIRC for a chassis to remain OEM in TA terms, it needs things like original bulk head and suspension pick up points.

The Norris Designs Evo has this.

The AG Focus does not.

More or less...

thielt1

[B][/Norris Designs Evo B]

what about the new one they are building? That looks a lot more like the ag focus.

J1mbo

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Norris evo has a shortened floor pan, which means the pick up points are no where near standard as they have been moved together, that's surely another way of looking at it?

Which if that is the case we could argue the focus is probably nearer than the evo is on pick up points?

Also, the evo dosnt even have factory fit panels. The focus has all ford Motorsport panels.

rs_traynor

Just not wanting humped from a ford that's all

Si B

iTrader: (59)

Just playing devil's advocate Jimbo

My IIRC comment was from I think reading Simon explain why he was allowed to run in TA despite the extreme mods. In essence, suspension pick up points and bulk head need to be retained. Their relative position on the "car" isn't specified

His car is now spaceframed in places to try and save weight as apparently despite all the metal removal, it's fookin heavy. The space frame work is entirely behind the rear turrets, and in front of the front turrets which also stays within the rules.

What's non standard about this :

Cossiemaster

Its not a fucking space frame. An rs200 is a space frame where you can lift off the front and rear. It is a home built shell

It is completely OEM as it has never been altered since the manufacturer built it. No where in the regulations does it state the car has to be built by a leading car manufacturer.......

It is an AG MotoRSport focus..... Not ford

At least all my body panels are homologated by the FIA which is more that can be said about all the bodykits in TA

rog

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You're saying this is not a spaceframe?

This is the right car isn't it?

Ginge !

Have you seen the build thread of you car ?

You still claim it's not a space frame ? Would you call it a monocoque ??

Ginge !

Ps: you called it a AGmotorsport ford focus at the start of this thread too ?

Rsmat

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Looks space framed to me !

Psycho Warren

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To be fair it is a space frame, hes just panelled the floor out in steel sheet rather than put an extra couple of small stringers in on the floor.

I do think you need to be forgetting that its a "ford". Its not. In registration terms its a custom built car designed by AG motorsport. It shouldnt matter one iota that it uses focus body panels.

You wouldnt expect someone to claim that a ferrari bodied MR2 was a ferrari and be treated as such in a race series so why should someone consider his car a OEM ford?

CossieRich

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So it is a space frame or it isnt a space frame? Which is it ffs

Jay,

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Read the rules on space frames and entilement you will see how they interpret and work out what a space frame is and not

rallycross

Enter it one of the proper race series not this one by one against the clock nonsense.

It's the modern equivalent of a special saloon.

Si B

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Eh?

Mr C

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So in short it must have a bulkhead and suspo turrets in OE locations, is there a link to the actual in depth regs as I'd like to enter a round at some point, just for the experience like.
Can bulkheads turrets roofs floors be modded? ie higher strut top, engine cut into bulkhead, flat floor, carbon roof, shorter chassis... It's either poorly regulated or just somebody is playing at being a regulating body Surely

Fudgey

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The ag focus isnt a spaceframe, its just one massive rollcage lol

kev 3dr

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whats peoples view on this then, I was at Oulton park on wednesday with Sticky and there was a brand new Porsche GT2 (i think or pos gt3 but not a cup car) that was fully stickered up for time attack surely being able to buy a brand new top spec GT race care is not in the spirit of the series either

Mr C

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"TAC is open to cars that are or were production models... all cars must have original chassis and body... must have original VIN plate...
No tube/space frames allowed except in prototype class... Chassis must remain OEM... body panels may be made of any material"
All of the above and changes to them is at the organisers disgression.
The AGFocus is clearly not compliant with several of the above regs but ask about the prototype class? AG could build you one that was though.