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Old 30-04-2013, 10:55 PM
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Default Lets talk diffs..(uprated)

Im after a diff to go with my rear beam on the 3dr.... I don't want nothing noisy.. So the gripper and anything like that is out of the question..

At the min ... Think I'm might be steers towards a bara.

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The gripper ain't bad at all Matt

It's only when you make tight turns it grumbles a bit

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Originally Posted by cossie4i+
The gripper ain't bad at all Matt

It's only when you make tight turns it grumbles a bit

Steve


Drove one mate .. I can't deal with one .. To rough and noisy .
Old 30-04-2013, 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Rsmat
Drove one mate .. I can't deal with one .. To rough and noisy .
If the correct oil is not used they are nosiy and harsh

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Supra ???
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If big power and deep pockets 9"
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I've got a 3.9 Bara 240nM in my 3 Door at the moment and I think it great and it takes some serious hard launches.
Having said that it will be changed for the Supra one soon as I get a free weekend to fit it.
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Originally Posted by Rsmat
Drove one mate .. I can't deal with one .. To rough and noisy .
If you use Castrol B373 LSD oil there will be much less noise.

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I love my quaife. Wish my saff was on the road and I would show you Matt.

No noise, I know it's going to grip where I want and spin when I want.
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Dose the bora diff still use two planet gears and two sun gears if so it still has the same weakness the standard one dose. So if its quiet and same as standard you are after has to be the quaife really

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Originally Posted by steveboyslim
If you use Castrol B373 LSD oil there will be much less noise.

Steve
what weight is that then? As grippers are meant to have 80/140 in them
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Originally Posted by c20tbo
If big power and deep pockets 9"
Matts a Yorkshireman, course he has deep pockets, but unfortunately he has short arms.
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Been advised away from the quaife as.. They like to spin one wheel before the other

I just want something that's quiet and drive's nice and does its job.
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I just don't like the idea of the bora diff as the weakness of the standard one other than it being 7.5 inches is the fact it only has two planet gears and two sun gears. So lots of torque puts a lot of strain on them and brakes them the bora diff is still the same set up
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Supra diff is the only way forward really and mat as you gone to the expense of doing a 6degree beam you may as well go the whole hog with rose joints and mk supra kit! Or theres the jag diff
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Originally Posted by ajamesc
I just don't like the idea of the bora diff as the weakness of the standard one other than it being 7.5 inches is the fact it only has two planet gears and two sun gears. So lots of torque puts a lot of strain on them and brakes them the bora diff is still the same set up

Ok James mate ... Will take a look into that


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Supra diff is the only way forward really and mat as you gone to the expense of doing a 6degree beam you may as well go the whole hog with rose joints and mk supra kit! Or theres the jag diff


Nah not bothered over one mate ... I'm not running big power only want something that going to do its job and be quiet
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James the bara uprated used a stronger set of gears in there aswell, and if mat hasn't broken the standard one yet he shouldn't break the uprated gears.
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Matt, I'm not sure who has said it spins one wheel. My vid on YouTube clearly shows never spins just one
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I had bara diff with 475 lb/ft torque. Didnt break mine. Although i was never a hardcore launcher but did have 888 tyres so lots of grip to be transferred through the diff. Good as gold
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Excuse my ignorance guys but what is the difference between sierra diff and mustang diff as mustangs run big torque being big na engines and i've never heard of them having problems with diffs?
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Originally Posted by AJC
Matt, I'm not sure who has said it spins one wheel. My vid on YouTube clearly shows never spins just one


Sorry Andy I didn't make it clear... I meant spins one wheel just before the other..
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All I can say is that it's great to drive. But I can't compare it to any other diff as never drive one with any other diff
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Originally Posted by AJC
All I can say is that it's great to drive. But I can't compare it to any other diff as never drive one with any other diff



No probs mate ... I've only ever drive a car with a gripper and fucking hated it ... It did the work just the noise I couldn't handle
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Titan? That uses uprated planet gears too I think?
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The Bara diff does have forged planet and sun gears so is stronger than a 25 year old knackered one!
Here's me giving it a launch with 235 888's fitted and 531 ft/lb of torque it's been getting this kind of abuse for over year now.
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Originally Posted by ajamesc
what weight is that then? As grippers are meant to have 80/140 in them
No idea what the weight is, but Gripper now also reccommend the Castrol oil which is the LSD oil done for motorsport.

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Originally Posted by Sonic Boom
The Bara diff does have forged planet and sun gears so is stronger than a 25 year old knackered one!
Here's me giving it a launch with 235 888's fitted and 531 ft/lb of torque it's been getting this kind of abuse for over year now.
3 Door Sierra Cosworth Sideways Off the Line at Prescott Speed Hill Climb - YouTube
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Can I get one in std ratio if so that's sealed it for me .. Because I don't abuse it like that
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Originally Posted by Rsmat
Can I get one in std ratio if so that's sealed it for me .. Because I don't abuse it like that
Yes mate just hand over your old diff and Bara will replace the whole VC unit and bearing and seals too.
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Yeah, you just send your diff to him and he works his magic on it- so std ratio.
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Originally Posted by Sonic Boom
Yes mate just hand over your old diff and Bara will replace the whole VC unit and bearing and seals too.
Rich



Sweet


I better pick up that phone to bara.
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Originally Posted by Sonic Boom
Yes mate just hand over your old diff and Bara will replace the whole VC unit and bearing and seals too.
Rich
Beat me to it.lol

Actually, will you be selling the 3.9 diff?
if so send me a pm with detail and price
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Originally Posted by Fezman1
Beat me to it.lol

Actually, will you be selling the 3.9 diff?
if so send me a pm with detail and price
pm'd you mate.
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Originally Posted by Sonic Boom
The Bara diff does have forged planet and sun gears so is stronger than a 25 year old knackered one!
Here's me giving it a launch with 235 888's fitted and 531 ft/lb of torque it's been getting this kind of abuse for over year now.
3 Door Sierra Cosworth Sideways Off the Line at Prescott Speed Hill Climb - YouTube
Rich

i think the above reply is all thats needed for this thread, bara will be cheapest aswell and sonic boom has prooved it takes the abuse and on r888s aswell.
ive had a gripper and it did the job but it was a cluncky twat
somewhere in my workshop i have 4 sets of smashed planet gears lol
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Quaife on my old Saff was superb i have to say.

Matt, quick question, have you popped your stock one then?
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Nothing wrong with the standard one on mine yet mate
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I would nt recommend a gripper tbh,
good diff yes, locks both wheels no problem,
but clunky as hell,
here s what happen to mine
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Some more launching with the Bara Diff:
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Sweet as Rich ... I've gone with Bara
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Originally Posted by Rsmat
Sweet as Rich ... I've gone with Bara
Good choice mate.
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I've got a gripper in my car, tbh they are a bit lively for the road but when it launches it leaves stripes.



And they both wheels spin if one wheel has less traction


I took the pics when I was getting bad axle tramp which you can see in some of the pics but I managed to get it a lot better afterwards.


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